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I often play games with some poeple, and I wonder if what they're doing is entirely legal. This thread is for poeple who want to know if something is legal, and they don't want to buy the codex.

The biggy for me is this: An ork player has a unit of 30 ork boys. He gets a painboy and cyborks for the whole unit. Is this legal? And do the cyborks really give a 5+ invulnerable save for only 5 points a boy?

He can do that if the Painboy happens to be Mad Doc Grotsnik, then again, he has to abide by the "one scalpal short of a medpack" rule, that forces you to always move towards the closest enemy unit.

None of these things were mentioned...

Also, what is Mad Doc Grotsnik? Is it like a painboy upgrade or a character? He just gets a plain old painboy and he moves his unit wherever he wants.

For this very reason, I purchased a full set of codices for my local gaming group. Too often when I first started this hobby, I would get a player who would "teach" us to play and only until I too serious effort to ready every page of every current rulebook did I realize he didn't know squat or was trying to cheat. When in doubt, borrow their book and take a look for yourself.

As for the question of the Cyborks, if he fielded Mad Doc Grotsnik, then yes, any unit in the army may upgrade to Cybork Bodies for 5+ points a model.

He's cheating if it's not Grotsnik, as only Nobz and Flash Gitz have access to Painboyz otherwise.

The Bringer wrote:Also, what is Mad Doc Grotsnik? Is it like a painboy upgrade or a character? He just gets a plain old painboy and he moves his unit wherever he wants.

Yes, he is an HQ Special Character. You are also allowed to look at your opponent's roster. That's a good place to start if you are ever in doubt.

if in doubt ask to see their codex, if they wont show you then they are most probrably cheating

Platuan4th wrote:He's cheating if it's not Grotsnik, as only Nobz and Flash Gitz have access to Painboyz otherwise.

From what the OP says, he's cheating either way - if it's not Grotsnik, they can't get the upgrades, and if it IS Grotsnik, he doesn't get the freedom of movement.

What do you mean by "freedom of movement"? If you are referring to his "One Scalpel Short of a Medpack" rule, that only applies to himself and units he is attached to. Purchasing Cybork bodies with him in the army is not limited to units he is a part of. Cheaper option is still a KFF, totally off topic.

DaBoss wrote:What do you mean by "freedom of movement"? If you are referring to his "One Scalpel Short of a Medpack" rule, that only applies to himself and units he is attached to. Purchasing Cybork bodies with him in the army is not limited to units he is a part of. Cheaper option is still a KFF, totally off topic.

The Bringer wrote:Also, what is Mad Doc Grotsnik? Is it like a painboy upgrade or a character? He just gets a plain old painboy and he moves his unit wherever he wants.

long story short:

only possible way to have a painboy in a unit of boyz is to take mad dok grotsnik as a HQ choice.
boyz can then have the cyborks at 5 points each.
the unit follows the "One Scalpel Short of a Medpack" rule.

Platuan4th wrote:He's cheating if it's not Grotsnik, as only Nobz and Flash Gitz have access to Painboyz otherwise.[/quote

Indeed. My servies can be hired by anyone. Unlike those frigid other Docs, 2 Babychams and I'm anybodies!

I will make it legal.


In all serious, no. dude's cheating you. Beg, steal or borrow a copy of Codex: Orks and call him on his shenanigans.

The Bringer wrote:None of these things were mentioned...

Also, what is Mad Doc Grotsnik? Is it like a painboy upgrade or a character? He just gets a plain old painboy and he moves his unit wherever he wants.

This is certainly illegal. I stopped using Grotsnik after losing two games because I had to move off objectives to engage units (one of which was a drop pod!).

Thanks.

FYI, he's very personal about his codex and anyone looking at his list.

chaplaingrabthar wrote:

I will make it legal.


In all serious, no. dude's cheating you. Beg, steal or borrow a copy of Codex: Orks and call him on his shenanigans.

That made me laugh pretty hard

I play against the same guy, so im curious about the validity of this as well. Also, not sure about this, but it has been loosley inferred in some of the above posts that the 5 points for cybork thing is only available when Grotsnick is taken as HQ. Is this true? or is Cybork available for 5 pts (or otherwise) period?

(also this player has a thing about people looking through his codex, which also happens to be the only one around... so we really have no way to validate any of his clams... )
thanks

You must be new here. Do not recommend downloading a codex you don't own. It's IP theft, and illegal. - Iorek

Heh fair point.

Or you could just go and buy one. Not as if they are rare or anything....you know. Just saying. Don't be a cheap bastard. Thats what I'm saying.

I have all the Fantasy books thus far published, and all the 4th Ed 40k Codecies. Know your Foe is a good mazim, and if nothing else, it gives you summat to read whilst on the bog.

Corndoggy wrote:
I play against the same guy, so im curious about the validity of this as well. Also, not sure about this, but it has been loosley inferred in some of the above posts that the 5 points for cybork thing is only available when Grotsnick is taken as HQ. Is this true? or is Cybork available for 5 pts (or otherwise) period?

(also this player has a thing about people looking through his codex, which also happens to be the only one around... so we really have no way to validate any of his clams... )
thanks

As was mentioned above, only Nobz and Flash Gitz can have painboyz. They provide cybork 5 points per model. Now then, most HQ choices have the option for cybork bodies too, but that is 10 points. Grotsnik allows any model to have cybork for 5 points.

I play against the same guy, so im curious about the validity of this as well. Also, not sure about this, but it has been loosley inferred in some of the above posts that the 5 points for cybork thing is only available when Grotsnick is taken as HQ. Is this true? or is Cybork available for 5 pts (or otherwise) period?

(also this player has a thing about people looking through his codex, which also happens to be the only one around... so we really have no way to validate any of his clams... )
thanks

If this guy is acting so secretly about his list and codex, then this should have shot up a "red flag" that something was not right. He should be more than glad to share the "only" source to the Orcs 'dex. One of you should buy it and bust him on his shady playing and most of all, call him out on it.

N.B.

Shelling out 5 pts per standard Boy, just to give a 5+ Invulnerable is a waste.

Now, stuff like Lootas, probably worth it. But not boyz.

Nor does my namesake give them Cybork Bodies just by joining the unit!

cool

that clears things up nicely. Thanks guys

This thread is also open for anyone else who wants to ask similar questions.

Also, thanks.

The Bringer wrote:Thanks.

FYI, he's very personal about his codex and anyone looking at his list.

So your opponent doesn't like anyone looking at his lis or his codex? Sounds like someone is trying to pull a fast one. My recommendation? Buy or borrow an Ork codex, at the beginning of your next game, if he won't show you his list, sit there and go over with him each unit in his army adding up the points and writing it down, then reference that any time he tries to do something like pull Cybork bodies out of thin air........

aright thanks guys. went and found a version of the dex. should help in future

Also, just to clear the guys name, he really is a nice guy, and wouldnt cheat on purpose, he just doesnt always read his dex very thoroughly.

Corndoggy wrote:aright thanks guys. went and found a version of the dex. should help in future

Also, just to clear the guys name, he really is a nice guy, and wouldnt cheat on purpose, he just doesnt always read his dex very thoroughly.

Thanks for the help. My bro has now found a downloadable codex and a free points calculator. If anyone else has any similar issues, please feel free to post.

Corndoggy wrote:aright thanks guys. went and found a version of the dex. should help in future

Also, just to clear the guys name, he really is a nice guy, and wouldnt cheat on purpose, he just doesnt always read his dex very thoroughly.

It's not like this game isn't insanely complex, and people could have more than one reason for not letting their fellow gamers get their cheato-stained fingers all over their one and only copy of the ork 'dex. Lord knows I've run into enough people I didn't feel comfortable sharing a book with, or anywhere near my models. Didn't mean I was cheating!

I'd be polite with dude the first time. Anybody can screw up. After that kick his ass.

The Bringer wrote:

Corndoggy wrote:aright thanks guys. went and found a version of the dex. should help in future

Also, just to clear the guys name, he really is a nice guy, and wouldnt cheat on purpose, he just doesnt always read his dex very thoroughly.

Thanks for the help. My bro has now found a downloadable codex and a free points calculator. If anyone else has any similar issues, please feel free to post.

Well, downloadable content is cheating just as much as not reading the real codex.. looks like you both are spades today...

Sure he's a "nice guy" you're letting him cheat!

See how nice he is when you refuse to paly him because he won't let you straghten him out on the rules.

Everyone is nice when things are always going their way.

"Back, it's MY codex! I will tell you what it says! Back I say!"