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is the land raider worth the amount of points that it costs.

In 5th edition it sure seems to be. This is going to be a bit dependent on the army you're putting it in though.

I know in the old days just having a Raider on the field gave you a psychological advantage.

Since you can't even glance to destroy one anymore, except an AP1 weapon. They are hard to killing meaning a eldar lance, melta weaps(with 2 6s unless at half range), and 9+ str. Also the machine spirit allows you to fire one weapon even when shaken/stunned.

You think that one is bad, imagine if you had to fight 2, or even 3? A standard SM or CSM FOC can take 6! Put that in you flamer and smoke it!

Yeh land raiders are strong but its not very hard to kill if you have the stuff

I fought 3 at once one was imobilied with a chaos dreadnaught 1 was destroyed by my defilier and the 3rd lost both lascannons and was imobilized 1 inch from contesting the objective last turn by my plague marienes

its not hard if you have the stuff to kill them but you have to work on them saving other guys

If they're supported right they can make an army unstoppable, if they're just added to a list without thinking how they work with the rest of the army they're a complete waste of points. It's a right tool for the right job thing. The main benefit for the tropp capactity is the assult ramp rule. If it's not going to make use of that you might want to consider drop pods/deep strike alternative. Same goes for shooting - if you can't maximise the firepower take dreads instead. If I was using it as a fire point I'd rather have two shooty dreads myself. They're lower armour but they can move around, cover different parts of the battlefield and have to be destroyed twice as opposed to a LR being destroyed once and taking out all the guns. Depends how you use it.

I've used three at once before. It's great fun although limits your options during a battle.

Yes, but bring two or three. It's fair to say the LR was considerably strengthened with version 5 rules.

The new variants are also nasty.

I've had people tell me that my Grey Knight army is cheesy....MY GREY KNIGHTS!

-3 Land Raiders

Yes, used correctly, Land Raiders are AWESOME.

If playing marines, drop podding a Sternguard squad with Combimeltas is a fun "up yours" way of dealing with a Land Raider

Gwar! wrote:If playing marines, drop podding a Sternguard squad with Combimeltas is a fun "up yours" way of dealing with a Land Raider

Make sure you've got plenty of Drop Pods then, cause a fun way of dealing with drop podding sternguard is simply stay in reserve and wait for them to come onto the board 1st turn...then come on and assault them out of the LR.

I unclog my nose at drop pods.

yes, but then you've gone and lost between 1 and 4 turns of your big expansive land raider doing anything.

Just the result I was looking for!

And I could always keep my Sternies in the second wave of Pods and have a "lets see who cocks up their reserve dice rolls first" war.

Gwar! wrote:yes, but then you've gone and lost between 1 and 4 turns of your big expansive land raider doing anything.

Just the result I was looking for!

Just like the expensive Sternguard?

And I could always keep my Sternies in the second wave of Pods and have a "lets see who cocks up their reserve dice rolls first" war.

So basically, sternguard dont have an advantage over LR's...which can pop smoke. Suicide Sternguard make me chuckle.

hey I never said it was effective did I

Personally I much Prefer venerable Dreadnoughts with Multimeltas (if Playing Nilla) or Ironclads (when Playing Wolves) to bust up AV 14

Gwar! wrote:hey I never said it was effective did I

Personally I much Prefer venerable Dreadnoughts with Multimeltas (if Playing Nilla) or Ironclads (when Playing Wolves) to bust up AV 14

No, but you DID imply that Sternguard (or drop pods in general) were an easy way to deal with LR's. I was simply saying that its not neccessarily a forgone conclusion when the LR user guards against it.

solid AV 14, plenty of las, nice transport for solid CC troops.

it fills all roles and a few armies struggle to even slow them down.

Worth the points?
Depends on what the fark you're doing with it, and how your enemy reacts to it.

does anyone know any good strategies for using the land raider in this army list?
Space Marine White Eagles Army List 1500 pts.
HQ:
Space Marine Chapter Master (Master of the Watch): 125
Artificer Armor: 15
Storm Shield: 15
Melta Bombs: 5
Thunder Hammer: 10 Total: 165 pts.
Troops:
20 Space Marines: 340
2 Flamers, Heavy Bolter, Missile Launcher (No Cost)
2 Power Swords: 30 Total: 370 pts.
Elites:
5 Terminators: 200
4 Chain fists: 20 Total: 220 pts.
Fast Attack:
4 Bikers: 115
Multi-Melta: 10
Attack Bike: 40 Total: 165 pts.
Heavy Support:
Land Raider: 250
5 Devastators: 90
Heavy Weapons: 90
Power Sword: 15
Plasma Pistol: 15
Vindicator: 115 Total: 575 pts.

Perturabo's Chosen wrote:You think that one is bad, imagine if you had to fight 2, or even 3? A standard SM or CSM FOC can take 6! Put that in you flamer and smoke it!

I hate to burst your bubble, but the most you could possibly take is 5.

1 - transport a single normal Terminator squad.
1 - transport a single Assault Terminator squad.
3 - Heavy Support choices.

The codex states that in each of the listings for the Terminator squads.

I mean its not a real big difference but I'd rather face 5 and not 6, that's for sure.

You could get more Land Raiders by allying DH/WH inqusitiors.

Or using Imperial Armour.

Or playing Black Templars

Fexor wrote:

Perturabo's Chosen wrote:You think that one is bad, imagine if you had to fight 2, or even 3? A standard SM or CSM FOC can take 6! Put that in you flamer and smoke it!

I hate to burst your bubble, but the most you could possibly take is 5.

1 - transport a single normal Terminator squad.
1 - transport a single Assault Terminator squad.
3 - Heavy Support choices.

The codex states that in each of the listings for the Terminator squads.

I mean its not a real big difference but I'd rather face 5 and not 6, that's for sure.

You could then take an allied HQ and elite IQ and get 2 more, bringing the total to 7.

never mind i wasn't talking about getting more land raiders or units or HQ's

Wow aren't you a grateful person. Your pleasantness shocks and astounds me.

The answer to your single line was posted long ago, it being "Depends on what you do with it."

To answer your second question:
Use it to transport the Terminators perhaps?

All I know is that in 5th it's not necessarily about destroying vehicles, but keeping them from being useful. Playing bugs I don't have much of a chance of destroying anything but my venom cannons do a great job of keeping them from moving their valuable cargo, which is just as good as having the thing destroyed. Instead of taking antiarmour I've just been pumping more men into the ranks because, if we're honest, 5th is all about infantry.

Grunt_For_Christ wrote:All I know is that in 5th it's not necessarily about destroying vehicles, but keeping them from being useful. Playing bugs I don't have much of a chance of destroying anything but my venom cannons do a great job of keeping them from moving their valuable cargo, which is just as good as having the thing destroyed. Instead of taking antiarmour I've just been pumping more men into the ranks because, if we're honest, 5th is all about infantry.

Yup, its once of the reasons Extra Armour was repriced to 15 points, since while the transports are all cheaper now, if they cant move, they are just as useless (hence why rolling a 6 for a glancing hit on T1 is just so satisfying).

Nids did get a bit of a boost in 5th with stealers being able to always hit the (usualy) AV10 rear armour, but as always have problems with anything Av14 (and the poor Stealers cant ever scratch land Raiders now unless you buy toxin sacs, and even then you have to roll a lot of sixes :()

And its about infantry now, just wait till Guard comes out. I reckon we'll be seeing a Lot more Russes and Chimeras about.

We did get a boost in always hitting on rear armour, but since fearless means we'll lose twice as many men, it all works out... If it's true that guard will be cheaper, it'll ALL be about infantry!

Raiders are great, but only in certain situations... Transporting terminators is great but I find them easy to avoid.

Mechanized armies seem to be extremely powerful in 5th edition.

Land Raiders (AV14 in general) seem to also be very good.

Use it to transport your Terminators + Chapter Master if you want to take one.

I definitely agree with your assessment. Mech has gotten a huge boost, especially with the emphasis on scoring units (which obviously can basically all take transports).

Let's just throw a Daemonhunter army out with 8 LRs, all packed with regular ol' Grey Knights/Inquisitors. THAT'S how you role with LRs lol