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A while ago i made a tank
today i made rules for it
any Ideas are welcome
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A D3 10" Destroyer shots? Good lord. Eighteen inch movement? Why? Infinite transport capabilities? That's just ridiculous. Seven structure points? Isn't that how many a Warlord has? The explosion on death is just stupidly powerful. Especially on a tank that will spend its entire life in enemy territory. 14/14/13? Why so high? Why on Earth did you increase the range of the Plasma Cannons?

RustyKnight wrote: Why on Earth did you increase the range of the Plasma Cannons?

Ma Codex must be broken
Errata: Change the 56" range on the Plasma cannon to 36"

Errata: Change Point Value to 1500 instead of 1250

Erreta Included:
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Why is everything about this tank seem like it's there because it can be? I understand it's 1500 points, but it should be the size of a Leviathan. Why unlimited transport capacity? Why 18 inch movement on a tracked vehicle? Why the ridiculously overpowered main gun?

I'm just curious about why the rules are so very, very over the top? From the picture, it looks like a slightly bigger Land Raider with a Battlecannon and some extra guns.

And why rear facing Heavy Flamers?

I can't even figure out a proper fluff justification for this one, and that's saying something... I'm the same guy that wants to make an amalgamation of 5 (or more) plastic superheavies with more firepower than some people's imaginary friends....

Unlimited transport capacity? What is it? A Tank of Holding? 7 structure point? A miniature nuke when it detonates?

This thing is... very stupid. I'm sorry if you find that insulting but it's stupid. Very stupid. The picture of the tank doesn't even look that big.

The only cool part is the name - Thanehammer. So much better than 'Banesword' and 'Hammerblade' and 'Swordsword' and whatever else there is.

1 game.

Your opponents, and even teammates will look at the data sheet and just give up.

I am at a loss here. I'm afraid I have to go with H.B.M.C. " Stupid " verdict. It needs some huge improvements on the rules, most notably on the unlimited transport cap.

Mat &

Ok well this is interesting,

May i just say before i start that i'm a huge fan of making your on vehicles and have not only made many of my own but have made some for other people and help people with there rules as well over the years. That said 99.99% of the time i have stuck to the vdr rules religiously with the only mentionable exception being the immobile Neron flier (air/ground defence platform), Which was really cool and is invited back to games even now (rule smudge being two fold, necrons can't have flyers and you can't have an imobile flyer (ie it just floats there).

That said, i follow the whats on the model and the main rule book rules as well, and here are the flaws in your design rule wise that i can see;

1) Speed, the only way to up grade the speed of a vehicle is to soup up the engines, this can't be give to flyers, immobile (for obvious reasons) and any other vehicle over 51 points of Armour (this has 55points). Putting this aside, souping the engines for a super heavy can only increase it to being ''Agile can move 6'' and shoot all (as before) or move 12, in addition to this if a super heavy is upgraded with this after moving the 12'' it can only shoot one weapon.'' which is not the 18'' described in the data sheet.

2) Where on earth did you get the rules/points cost for the explosion? besides being over the top in power and size, why does no-one get an armour save? whats the strength? AP? cover saves yes/no? Why does it happen even if it is wrecked by a glancing shot? How did you work out the points for this completely new rule? Why does it explode? does it have a reactor? does it carry a bomb? warp rift generator? Suicidal kitten with a really big nail bomb? we need a reason..

3) weapons, now this is picking i know, from my experience, back when i first started my forgeworld this is a very important point (for your clients as much as opponents) so i will go through these one by one;

Heavy Bolters, They are hull mounted, as outline on page 59 of the main rule book hull mounted weapons have a 45 degree range of fire directly forward any more than this they need to be turreted or another form of swivel

Lascannons, well beside being on top of the vehicle, there is still no sign of a gun carriage/base that i can see, that allows them to rotate giving them a greater range, as such the hull mounted rule above above still applies

Plasma cannons, gets hot? yeah........now i understand that this is chaos, and they have preheresy tech etc, but a superheavys have more than enough power to run cooling systems for them, also there has been no attempt to allow them to pivot, which means once again hull mounted see above.

Flamers, as i can't see them i'll go out on a limb here and say see above for hull mounted weapons.

The Thanecannon. This is a new weapon i'm geussing using the vdr rules, hmm

Now using the rules this is the closest i can get

Earthshaker,+ Mega,+ Blast, +long barreled, + titan killer (strength D), Plus Gatling (390 points)

This would be a Strength D (10), with a 10'' blast, D3 shot at 240''. Please keeping in mind that this is with the long barreled upgrade (you can't take it twice)

Besides the range it needs to have three barrels for the Gatling but besides this its fine.

Infact i used something similar on a Baneblade chassis awwww three months back?

3) Now this thing about the unlimited transport (as long and you build it to a corresponding size?), um, no, sorry thats ......... um no, that means you can have the tank say, the size of a storm lord with the same name and function(besides capacity obviously) as a interplanetary cruiser. give it one standard size, or none.

VERY IMPORTANT SECTION (PROBABLY THE MOST)

Lastly but not at all least, points, i sat down and worked this out attached is a data fax with what i could come up with from the rules. i.e, 12'' movement (shooting one weapon) BS4 with my version of the ''Thane hammer". Its 1485 points, which means you get the special rules for the full movement (18") and shoot everything, and the 7D6 explosion rule, doubled range on the canon (if legal a 195 point upgrade by itself) all for 15 points.

Fifteen points!!! that the same as a master crafted weapon upgrade, an attack squig for the orks, this is a gross underestimation of the points cost for the vehicle. I'm sorry that this review is so harsh but it things like this that makes it harder for the rest of us to get ours on the table tops.

A Humble Techpriest

I would just like to say a few things:
1) the datafax is good but, i did not use the VDR system to make the rules
2) these rules are experimental, i WILL be playtesting them soon
3) these rules are not official
4) unlimited spaces: Got an Unlimited point game coming up soon? dont think so. if you have spare points, you can give as meny spaces as you want, but you need the appropriate sized tank
5) gets hot: i needed to put the right rules on the guns. anyway, Gets hot does not apply to anything with an Armour value
6) i change the rules regularly so JUST POST IDEAS NOT COMPLAINTS

-Sonsof(annoyed)Loki

Sorry dude - I don't like the idea. d3 10" blast templates? Moving up to 18"? You do realise that vehicle should be designed so that both players enjoy the game, right?

It's kinda like one of the things I thought up when I was twelve because it was cool to make things that were like, indestructible.

"Dude, my um, armour is, class 7 armour. It makes me, um, immune to your capitalistic american bullets. It's a...um...special titanium alloy made by the bosnians in the cold war."

"Screw you, fattass, you're making that up!"

"Nuh- uh!"

"AH - HUH!"

What I would look at would be to lose the illogical things and make it a bit more...in line with vehicle standards in 40k.

Huge lumbering vehicle - 6" movement
3 Structure points and maybe 1 or 2 void shields
Single shot gun, main weapon rules
Put a ceiling on your troop transport choices
Drop down the apocalyptic explosion idea - I'd go more with the standard idea
If it's renegade, BS3 would probably suit, but you could argue BS4
If you wanted to huge move, then maybe allow it to divert all or most resources and move 12-18" with a random chance of it burning out the engine or something- call it "slipped a track" or something which sounds interesting - and firing no guns, or if you want to fire on the run then keep it to flamers and heavy bolters or something

At the moment to Thanhammer sounds like it should be an ork vehicle...

as we type, i am updating the data sheet.

That's just silly.

sA

There's over the top, and then there's the Thanehammer. Wow. Not since the Pan-Fo were reviled has anything this OTT been reviled.

If you want to build a custom datasheet, my advice is start with an established superheavy and work from there.

Remember, the game is supposed to be fun for all people involved. What you've created won't be fun for anyone. Sure, it may make you a little giddy as your super-tank rolls over your foe, but I'm guessing that people will refuse to play against it. If you're just pushing your tank around, then how much fun is it for you?

Erreta: If The Thanehammer Is hit with a destroyer hit, i counts as being hit d3+1 times by the weapon

SonsOfLoki wrote:Erreta: If The Thanehammer Is hit with a destroyer hit, i counts as being hit d3+1 times by the weapon

First off, why? There seem to be a lot on this thing that has no rhyme or reason. Secondly, that would only balance the huge number of structure points it has if the enemy has Destroyer weapons.

Oh, and you spelt Errata wrong.

sA

SonsofLoki

Please be aware that my previous post was not just a complaint but a list of what needed to be changed and/or done to make it better for everyones sake and bring it in line with what model has (gets hot for example was was something holding the tank back). Also fluff it. People can swallow this a lot better if you talk them through why it has something.

Like when i created my vanquisher Baneblade people went what the........... and i simply fluffed it saying during a massive campaign against the Orks its in the Osiris sector massive casualties were reported on the front line due to Gargants. Due to the titan legion being in another sector and the designs for the shadow swords not being on this particular forgeworld (remember the aren't all swapping tech here, they jealously guard them) The forge world decided to upgrade banblades to become Gargant hunters. And thus the King Baneblade was born.

Why not use the rules vdr rules? The electronic version is found here

http://www.ageofstrife.com/tools/vdr/

It helps with point cost counting, whats possible and also gives you better ground to say yes its legit.

Keep us posted

A Humble Techpriest

Hmmm, playing around with the Tyranid design rules on that site, I found my new favorite weapon. The Massive Cluster Spasm Barbed Strangler!

Like Humble_Techpriest said, if you can pretend that you had a fluff reason for making this I-WANT-TO-CRUSH-EVERYTHING-IN-MY-PATH-WITHOUT-A-THOUGHT-FOR-BALACNE-MONSTER, some people may actually be willing to play against it once.

Also, just curious, how do you decide how many people a Thanehammer can hold based on size?

You know, This Is a "just for Fun" Vehicle for "beer & pretzel" Gamers, this wasn't even a proposed rule, i only put this here because there was nowhwere else to put it.
if you think this vehicle is dumb and needs more stupid posts attached to the thread its in, Don't Post In Here Again, it tookme age's to make this model, so can you shut up now.
If you Have some positive ideas to go in this thread, continue

SonsOfLoki wrote:You know, This Is a "just for Fun" Vehicle for "beer & pretzel" Gamers, this wasn't even a proposed rule, i only put this here because there was nowhwere else to put it.
if you think this vehicle is dumb and needs more stupid posts attached to the thread its in, Don't Post In Here Again, it tookme age's to make this model, so can you shut up now.
If you Have some positive ideas to go in this thread, continue

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RustyKnight wrote:
Also, just curious, how do you decide how many people a Thanehammer can hold based on size?

Mine holds 20, the flamers on the back are to fend of tyrinids.

Version 3

I apologies if i have offended you, it was never my intention,

A) I was not picking on your modeling skills at all, I was simply saying that it needs to demonstrate what is in the rules
B) It may actually come as a suprise but i'm trying to help you (please note the level of work i have put in to help your project) instead of its just rubbish.
C) yes i know this is a beer and pretzel gamer unit.

But it really needs to have a rule base to it anyway. For me the fluff side of it is half the fun as well.

Look seriously you've put in the effort, and the model is looking good, you ask our opinion of the rules and you got it. you ask for suggestions, and you got them. If you didn't like them well maybe this isn't the stage you should be rolling your workmanship out on.

A Humble Techpriest

First, why you referring to people as asshats? You posted this and asked for feedback. I don't really see where you get off calling us names because we take you to task on making "God mode" rules.

This thing looks like you tried to make a Baneblade out of a Land Raider. It's okay for a conversion but the rules you've put there are way over the top. You mentioned "beer and pretzels" games but honestly, I wouldn't take the time to put my army on the table if you bring this datafax. There just isn't enough beer in the world. Let's look at the issues, shall we?

TLHB: They look like fixed weapons mounted on the front. How do you justify giving them a 180º arc? According to the main rulebook, hull mounted weapons get a 45º firing arc. Your datafax should be updated to reflect this.

TLLC: Same issues with the TLHB above. I guess there could be some leeway due to mounting them on top, after all the guns on a regular land raider are set up to pivot in their base, but the way you've got things set up I wouldn't expect more than a 90º arc.

TLPC: We'll just call those sponsons and leave it at that. Drop the "Gets Hot" from your datafax. It doesn't apply to vehicles

Thanecannon: The stats are absurd. This thing isn't any bigger than what you'd find on a Baneblade but you've given it stats that you'd expect to see on a Warlord Battle Titan. Seriously, I'd never be willing to count that thing as anything more than a Baneblade Cannon and that's being generous. Personally, I'd stat it out as a Russ' Battle Cannon and call it good.

Transport: In 40k, you are expected to work within the WYSIWYG framework and you've used a Land Raider as your chassis. With all the storage required for plasma tanks, laser capacitors, HB/Thanehammer ammo, and turret superstructure there would be no way in hell you could transport anyone - there'd be barely enough room left for the crew. This vehicle should receive ZERO transport capacity. Period. You want to make it hold "a maximum of 50 spaces"? You make it BIG ENOUGH to do so.

Structure: Zero structure points. Again, this is a Land Raider variant so it gets 14, 14, 14 and Machine Spirit.

Movement: There's nothing here that indicates it could move faster than a regular Land Raider. Weapons should follow existing move & fire rules.

Relic Reactor: Use the rulebook version of Apocalyptic Explosion if you really want the AE rule, but limit it to 2d6".

For future reference, if you want positive feedback you need to a) put rules that actually match the model not what you envision about the model and b) stop calling people asshats.

The Thanehammer is bigger than a baneblade.

can someone lock this thread

Well, most of the issues with this vehicle have been mentioned already, so no need to go there.

However, you claim that your tank is bigger than a Baneblade witohut actually giving us any size comparion with a unit of known size. in fact, going by the size of the heavy bolters on the front, it's slightly narrower and taller than the Baneblade. At 5 structure points, it should really be closer twice the size or more.

Well, this is certainly....well, ehm....what H.B.M.C. said.

I usually try to be polite to other users on this board but this is just plain ridicoulus. You say it's for fun-games only (which Apocalypse is supposed to be anyway) but where's the fun in fighting such a monster.
480 inch cannon? Not even the Emporer Titan has stuff like that.
And why 5 structure points? I can only guess from the bitz you attached on your shoebox there that it is roughly the size of a Land Raider, so there's no good reason at all to give it more than 1 (one) structure point.

I know creating vehicles can be fun and all and it's very easy to go overboard with the rules, but this abomination is just wrong.