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Not sure if you have heard, but AT-43 is getting Army Boxes starting in July. Confrontation will get Army Boxes in September. These are 2000 pt. legal armies. R. is changing its packaging model to lower the number of SKUs the stores have to handle and create a fantastic price-point for entry into the game.




AT-43 Cogs: Cogs Army Box Set $70.00 US
The Army Box: Cogs contains a complete company for AT-43 the ready assembled and painted miniatures game.

* 1 unit of 4 Warmongers: basic super-soldiers
* 1 unit of 4 Sharpshooters: elite super-soldiers
* 1 Prowler: basic combat strider
* 1 Vandal: the most powerful Cog combat strider
* 3 heroes from the C-Naps line: C-Naps G09, C-Naps G36 and C-Naps G45
* 3 high walls
* 1 container
* Introductory Rules
* 1 Cog tactical manual
* 1 game poster
* 12 dice
* 1 “Cog” ruler
* 1 explosion template
* 8 game cards


AT-43 Red Blok: Red Blok Army Box Set $70.00 US
The Army Box: Red Blok contains a complete company for AT-43 the ready assembled and painted miniatures game.

* 1 unit of 12 Krasnye Soldaty: regular infantry containing three grenade launchers, two medics and an officer
* 1 unit of 8 Krasnye Soldaty: regular infantry containing one grenade launcher, two mechanics and an officer
* 6 Dragonov Kommandos: elite infantry with one sniper rifle, an electronic warfare specialist, a medic and an officer
* Odin O-1 and Manon O-2: the Red Blok’s two greatest heroes
* 1 Urod: Odin O-1’s and Manon O-2’s combat strider
* 1 Dotch Yaga: the most heavily armored combat strider to ever grace the battlefield
* 6 low walls
* 1 container
* Introductory Rules
* 1 Red Blok revolutionary forces tactical manual
* 1 game poster
* 12 dice
* 1“Red Blok” ruler
* 1 explosion template
* 26 game cards

So is it the same rules? Not that they're bad rules or anything, but I really don't want to have to mess with those cards.

No rules changes, and you read that right...2000pts for $70.

We do not know what the intro rules look like, but this is not a revision of the game system. I assume it is enough to play your army (along with the tatical hints) but not a full rulebook.

holy buckets, $70? I feel like a chump getting ~3500 points for $230, even if I can't find some of what I need.

I was thinking about Cogs last year, but at $70 I can get several.

Dal'yth Dude wrote:holy buckets, $70? I feel like a chump getting ~3500 points for $230, even if I can't find some of what I need.

I was thinking about Cogs last year, but at $70 I can get several.

Yeah, it's going to be much easier and cheaper to get into the game after these roll out.

If you really want one I would suggest pre-order as soon as you can. Distibuters are talking limited supply lines. due to the way rackham wants to sell to the USA . As a store owner trying to secure my own copy ( I love the game) I would let your favorite game supplier know you want one asap....

G-Dogg

Empire1 wrote:If you really want one I would suggest pre-order as soon as you can. Distibuters are talking limited supply lines. due to the way rackham wants to sell to the USA . As a store owner trying to secure my own copy ( I love the game) I would let your favorite game supplier know you want one asap....

G-Dogg

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "due to the way rackham wants to sell to the USA"?

clevername wrote:

Empire1 wrote:If you really want one I would suggest pre-order as soon as you can. Distibuters are talking limited supply lines. due to the way rackham wants to sell to the USA . As a store owner trying to secure my own copy ( I love the game) I would let your favorite game supplier know you want one asap....

G-Dogg

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "due to the way rackham wants to sell to the USA"?

I second that. They would sell more in the U.S. if they tried harder.

I wish I could guys, sorry. that type of inside info isnt something to be posted on these forums where things can turn and get mixed up.
Like I said its would be a really good idea to let your gaming supplier know what you want ASAP this will give them the time to check thier sources as to whom they can get these new army deals from not every distributer will be carring them and the distributers who do may only have a limited suppy but that supply may grow if they know in advance how many folks will be wanting some.
Store owners and distributers are only buying what they think they can sell and with rachham asking most distributers to buy more than they think they can sell not every distributer will want to commite and fork out the dough. So again pre order is going to big a big deal.

Good luck!

Dal'yth Dude wrote:holy buckets, $70? I feel like a chump getting ~3500 points for $230

No, anyone that buys a Dotch Yaga in May for $50 will feel like a chump when months later you can pick up one plus the rest of the army for $70.

I see my self buying one for each army.

Excellent deal indeed. I will probably pick up a UNA one just for more Inquisitorial Stormtroopers.

Here I am wanting to try a different game and along comes AT-43 boxed armies for 70$ USD...

...perhaps its a sign...

Not to sound like a downer or anything, since I too am a fan of AT-43 and I own two armies...

But given the fact that around where I am, there's very little interest in the game (the Rackham Sentinel pretty much up and disappeared), and given the recent landslide in price (the TWO fire sales in the past few months and the fact that even the Warstore has cut its AT-43 prices like crazy), and now these steals for box sets appear...I have to wonder a bit as to the health of the game.

I hate to say this, but it seems that price increases seem to mark a healthy game system, whereas the opposite...well....

I hope I am wrong.

If I had any faith at all in Rackham as a company, I might be tempted to pick one of these up.

But sadly, I do not.

Ive been gaming since I was 25 and Im now 44. And in all that time Ive never know a more negative/depressive forum than dakka. I mean no offence to you personaly guys, but the vib on this site is a downer.
Cheers

I hear the "Rackham is dead" thing all the time. I've started to look at AT-43 not as something that I will spend months/years at a stretch playing, but more like Monopoly or video games; a game I can pick up and play for a few hours with little time investment.

Saint Anuman wrote:Ive been gaming since I was 25 and Im now 44. And in all that time Ive never know a more negative/depressive forum than dakka. I mean no offence to you personaly guys, but the vib on this site is a downer.
Cheers

Really? I like to think the site is filled with skeptical enthusiasts. Dakka kept
me in the hobby when I really had no contact with people who played these games,
and they've also kept my feet grounded and my reach far.

Rackham is riding some really bad PR, so it's no surprise that you're going to get
a negative vibe on a forum where Rackham's games are on the periphery already. The
price is really really good, but it's like toxic assets; everyone's afraid to invest in
something that appears to have a good chance of declining rather than growing.

malfred wrote:

Saint Anuman wrote:Ive been gaming since I was 25 and Im now 44. And in all that time Ive never know a more negative/depressive forum than dakka. I mean no offence to you personaly guys, but the vib on this site is a downer.
Cheers

Really? I like to think the site is filled with skeptical enthusiasts. Dakka kept
me in the hobby when I really had no contact with people who played these games,
and they've also kept my feet grounded and my reach far.

Rackham is riding some really bad PR, so it's no surprise that you're going to get
a negative vibe on a forum where Rackham's games are on the periphery already. The
price is really really good, but it's like toxic assets; everyone's afraid to invest in
something that appears to have a good chance of declining rather than growing.

Well said (again!) Malfred.

I find that these days Dakka is an island of sanity in a sea of sludge, really.

Most other sites are filled with relentless pom-pom wavers, kool-aid drinkers and shouters of "Tactics!".

Sure, the level of world weary cynicism is somewhat higher on Dakka than other places, but it is better than the alternative.

And of course, if Dakka is too much like virtual sand in your shorts, well...

And, back on point, Rackham deserves EVERY bit of skepticism and scorn that they receive, at this point, after pulling off one of the biggest swindles on an existing fan base EVER.

Alpharius wrote:

And, back on point, Rackham deserves EVERY bit of skepticism and scorn that they receive, at this point, after pulling off one of the biggest swindles on an existing fan base EVER.

Which is what exactly?

In short, Rackham led their existing fanbase down the path of RAGNAROK 2 (mass battle game) and CONFRONTATION 4 (skirmish game) with NO mention of prepainted plastics, encouraging everyone to 'ramp up' for RAG 2, all the while knowing that they were about to completely abandon their existing model, and for the most part, their existing fanbase.

It could have and should have been handled a lot better than it was, and as it is, they've really alienated their old fan base and, by many accounts, are doing that well now either.

Oh well - karma!

Alpharius wrote:In short, Rackham led their existing fanbase down the path of RAGNAROK 2 (mass battle game) and CONFRONTATION 4 (skirmish game) with NO mention of prepainted plastics, encouraging everyone to 'ramp up' for RAG 2, all the while knowing that they were about to completely abandon their existing model, and for the most part, their existing fanbase.

It could have and should have been handled a lot better than it was, and as it is, they've really alienated their old fan base and, by many accounts, are doing that well now either.

Oh well - karma!

At least they are alive and trying... Squats are dead, starship troppers is dead, mutant chronicles is dead, Hell Dorado IIRC is gonna die, GW is alienating some of its fan base (Me and some people I had talked too) due to its "revamping/renewing/recodexing all over each few years" making everything bigger and bigger more money more money bahh... not really different to others IMO... but you have yours, so thats ok...

And by the way, people STILL can use Conf figures on its CAoR... not as much as Squats for example

Yes, Rackham is trying and the price makes this intriguing, but we're still going to be skeptical
about a pre-painted game with drama attached to it. I wasn't around for Confrontation (other
than buying random figs), but I wouldn't characterize what happened as a swindle so
much as a series of badly handled business decisions.

I guess deliberately misleading their customer base could be described as 'bad business decisions', I guess...

Do any of you play the game and besides just buying a few figures is anyone truly invested in the game who is posting with a slight negative vibe?

I have over 3000 points for each army (all four with more to come) I play when ever I can and take part in a once a month game night with others who play AT-43. Ive also organized tournaments and enjoy taking part in the regional At-43 gaming community.
Until your truly invested in the game with BOTH time and money you shoud try less negativity and try the game and its group of players out for a test drive.

You have some points but things are moving forward I hope ypu can see that as well as the other stuff .

Saint Anuman wrote:Do any of you play the game and besides just buying a few figures is anyone truly invested in the game who is posting with a slight negative vibe?

I have over 3000 points for each army (all four with more to come) I play when ever I can and take part in a once a month game night with others who play AT-43. Ive also organized tournaments and enjoy taking part in the regional At-43 gaming community.
Until your truly invested in the game with BOTH time and money you shoud try less negativity and try the game and its group of players out for a test drive.

You sound like me with Warmachine

I don't know who on this forum are heavily involved with AT-43. I know that syr has
some stuff and Hellfury repaints and touches up his stuff. Of course there's Duncan Idaho,
but that ghola always has his own reasons.

You could always start a poll in General Discussions.

I chat with those guys on the R site and a yahoo fan group..LOL
Starting a poll sounds fun what do you have in mind?

Maybe just a basic: How many of you play AT-43? with the one option: I do. Have them
post in the thread to clarify.

I wonder if you can do a one option poll.

malfred wrote:Maybe just a basic: How many of you play AT-43? with the one option: I do. Have them
post in the thread to clarify.

I wonder if you can do a one option poll.

Maybe add something like ...
plan to buy into game soon.
just started playing
Been playing for more than a year

this might give a few options.???
Thoughts?

Well, I'm one of those who:

1) was interested in a pre-painted Sci Fi miniatures game (I have enough to paint already)
2) bought two armies for AT-43 (both totalling over 2000 points)
3) tried it with my friends who didn't quite take to it (started with the Damocles missions)
4) probably got the rules wrong in the process
5) was hoping to get a tutorial from a Rackham Sentinel to get the rules right
6) and get some games in with other players

I only got to step 4. I contacted a Rackham Sentinel at a nearby FLGS who was trying to get AT-43 going...but he has since fallen off the face of the planet.

So, if you are asking if I'm a regular player, then my answer is no.

However, I did invest, and I did try.

I don't know anything about Rackham prior to AT-43, so I didn't know about the previous debacle with Ragnarok or Confrontation, but I am skeptical enough to realize that the price drops for AT-43 could mean bad news for the company, which would ultimately be bad for players, even if there are good deals to be had now.

Malfred's analogy about toxic assets is a good one. Sure, the prices are good...but the risk is too uncertain for me to bite.

Awesome response BTW pompe,
The current problem of low cost items and the perception by gamers that things are bad is due to a fallen out of Fantasy Flight games and Rackham the company is strong and working hard on many fronts some researce at the rackham site and forum can get you the details. Everyone is aware of the damage FFG did to the hobby(retailers and gamers alike) and is trying to point folks in the right direction things like the recent campaign box set "Operation frostbite" and the new army box deals and a steady flow of new models is one way rackham is moving forward but I must admite if your not looking for these steps forward you might not notice them. This summer looks like a exciting time for us AT-43 fans in both new toys and new folks jumping in the game.