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During campaign play at my FLGS, one player accidentally stepped on one of the other player's Devil-fish. Everyone saw it, everyone heard the 'crunch' of plastic separating. The stepper, laughed it off and said 'oops nothing that can't be fixed by glue' (which may have been true).

In my opinion, he should have shelled out for a new kit.... but what do you all think?

What would you have another player do if they broke someone's model? Does it matter if it is glue repairable?

Hmm... too many variable but here is what i think.

- If model is on the floor where its not supposed to be, then its accident waiting to happen.

- If it is indeed accident and repairable i wont ask for payment if the guy is sincere and apologizes.

- Here is the main problem , about what he said. If he says that to me, i would have 2 guys hold him down and i'll punch his nose and say " oops you'll be fine when it stops bleeding "

It happened to me once. I accidentally knocked a guy's assault sarge off the table and broke the model's sword. He was able to glue it back on but the following week I brought the guy the bits to make a new one. Personally, I would expect at the least a sincere offer of compensation (in dollars or a new model) regardless if I would require it.

Honestly, if it's an honest mistake and fixable by glue... just glue it. Even though our little plastic and metal toys are expensive, they really aren't that big of a deal. Honestly, I'm more concerned by damage to paint, because that's something that requires time and personal effort.

Was the devilfish really on the floor? Unless its a common thing where everyone leaves their stuff on the floor to be stepped on, then you cant blame on the guy at all.

Burn the heretic!!!!!! unless he/she is nice about it....

My wife has a strict "Kick you in the balls" policy on breaking any of my models.

Really it just depends upon the situation, and the reaction of the model's owner.

I think that an apology (sincere) is all that's really necessary. I had a guy's shirt catch my Broadside and tumble it to the concrete floor; took about 10 minutes to fix (not bad in my book). I also nudged a game table at a tournament a few weekends back (and this is a solid game table) and my opponent's penitent engine slid from some terrain, fell and broke. I apologized, but I don't think anything further was warranted.

It is situation dependent. Bumping a table is rather different than stepping on a model; malicious versus accidental damage is also another distinction. I think that the cases that require compensation are either malicious destruction or utter incompetence at miniature safety (knocking over a table, for instance).

I wouldn't have cared until he laughed. Accidents do happen I game with the same group and we've all broken each others stuff at some point. We would also all apologise. Deliberate damage however is different and at a gaming group or store I would expect the person responsible to be barred from the venue.

In the groups I've been playing with, if you break someone else's model at least offer to fix it for them.

A sincere apology would suffice for me, but if it was something very expensive, ala Forge World, and it turned out to be impossible to fix without a large ammount of time, extra stuff, ect...well, I wouldn't ask for money, but I would hint it. Something like 1/4th of it's original cost to fix.

Doubt you would run into that situation, because you can pretty much fix any plastic kit with some glue.

I think if it's fixable there's no problem. If it's a genuine accident and it's not repairable, i'll not ask for anything, but if they offered depnding on the model I may accept it.

If it's malicious then I'd be like 'mate, this was like £X' what's going on?'

my roomates dog ate one of the legs off my dreadnought (before i painted it) and completely demolished my falcon grav tank.

when i talked to him about it, he said "S**t happens"

i moved out.




now i have falcon grav tank parts as debris on a bunch of my models, and i converted the dred to look like he is stepping over some wreckage.

The guy was a jerk to laugh (and deserves to be told to f$%^ off) but leaving models on the floor (how else could he step on it?) negates any claim to compensation.

Since we have yet to get an answer as to why the Devilfish was on the floor, I'll take a different approach.

Why was the guy walking on the gaming table?

I am definitely looking forward to the OP explaining exactly what the Devilfish was doing on the floor in the first place. I think that's the biggest factor, if people are putting stuff on the floor you have to expect something is going to get kicked or stomped at some point. If they are playing floor games or something like that, its another matter entirely.

I would feel terrible if I stepped on someones Devilfish, I definitely wouldn't shrug it off or laugh, but I don't have bucketloads of money laying around to replace stuff people leave lying on the floor. If you don't take at least the minimum amount of care of your stuff then how can you expect other people to? I would offer to help them fix it, I would maybe offer any bits I might have to help them achieve that end. If it was clearly my fault and I was doing something dumb that caused their misfortune, I would maybe go so far as to replace it with a new kit. If it was TFG I would probably end up just getting in a fight.

I can't be bothered with 'looking around at stuff' when I'm piloting my body through life.

Was it a 'tee hee' laugh or a nervous laugh? That makes a huge difference.

The amount of damage and possibly repair is the biggest factor. If it's really not repairable, then yes, the Stepper should buy a new kit for the Steppee or even just give him the cash for it.

My response?

If he laughs about it, says what the above stepper said and nothing else; "F*ck you donkey-cave, you're paying for that."

If he apologizes; "Oh, it's alright, I can fix this."

See, being considerate gets you places.

On the very rare occurrence that I can't fix it, I'll tell the guy who works at my FLGS, he'll find the stepper and do something about it. I'm not very good at asking people for money

EDIT: rofl @the curse filter.

Hmmm, I think I know where this happened. First question, as other people have asked, why was the Devilfish on the ground? I know when I walk around other people's tables, I try not to get too close, but I'm typically not looking on the floor for stuff I shouldn't step on, unless I know someone bumped something off.

If I was the one who stepped on it, I would certainly apologize profusely and then try to help repair whatever got damaged. If we can fix it, great, if not, I might make an offer of compensation depending on what I thought was equitable, balancing the fact that accidents do happen, but it sucks when you're on the fuzzy end of the lollipop.

I certainly wouldn't laugh about it.

A Magic player (Filthy, filthy breed. They should be banned from...oh wait, I used to play Magic...) Knocked a box of my stuff off of a table, and smashed a Chaos Chariot into these little bits that scattered all over the floor like the rest of the boxes contents (which included my 100% converted Black Orc Mordheim band, if memory serves). I of course screamed like a 4 year old girl who just found a spider in the potty, and immediately started damage control and picking up my stuff. I seem to remember him muttering something (it may have been an apology, but I really think he was casting some kind of Gate spell). I looked up a second later, and he was gone.

der Wiskinator wrote:During campaign play at my FLGS, one player accidentally stepped on one of the other player's Devil-fish. Everyone saw it, everyone heard the 'crunch' of plastic separating. The stepper, laughed it off and said 'oops nothing that can't be fixed by glue' (which may have been true).

In my opinion, he should have shelled out for a new kit.... but what do you all think?

You break it, you fix it.

If it needs a new kit to fix, you pay for a new fix.

But yeah, if the guy is foolish enough to leave the tank on the floor, then you gotta cut some slack.

Maybe he was laughing because he was embarrassed, it is a pretty common response.

As to the question at hand, he should offer to fix it if possible, pay for it if not. If it isn't too bad, the owner of the model should say "nah, no worries, I shouldn't have had it on the floor" and then everything is cool.

Basically, just good manners, common decency and a little respect. (yeah, I know, I am old fashioned...)

during a gt at warhammer world. my opponent was putting his eldar on a lunch tray on the floor. I went to the other side of the table to measure and i stepped on the lip of the tray,howling banshees went flying quite a few in the squad made it all the way into the store. I said sorry and continued playing. I chuckled on the inside for the guy was being a helmet

The guys reaction could warrant you being pissed, but if the damn thing is on the floor where people can clomp around easily onto it, that's your problem. I'm 6'5, anything below knee level at the best is fairly obscured to me.

Though, thinking about it, it would depend on where on the floor it was placed. Was it obvious and out in the open (away from corners one could walk around and not see it)?

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LunaHound wrote:

- Here is the main problem , about what he said. If he says that to me, i would have 2 guys hold him down and i'll punch his nose and say " oops you'll be fine when it stops bleeding "

Yeah... you see, then the schmuck can have the three of you jailed. Bad plan. You might bank on people in the lfgs not talking after he calls the cops, but that's like relying on the best case scenario for the Prisoners' Dilemma.

Too little data.

See, if this happened to me, I'd be a little cheesed off...

I play only with my friends, because it's just more fun that way and you don't have to risk facing off against any total douchebags. (Though some of my friends are on the edge of jerkism...)

If this kind of thing happened to me, and they didn't apologize, I'd be a little bit dissapointed and kinda mad, but I'd just put the pile of pieces back on the table and keep playing. But I know my friends would always apologize, and I would never hold it against them if it was an accident.

Now, if anyone ever got all stompy on my miniatures on purpose, in malice, I would beat the freaking crap out of them. But not with my fists, oh no. With words. With long, eloquent words that implode their brains!

"Forsooth! Thou hast broken mine Vindicator, scurrillious rapscallion! Taste the steel of mine authoritative intellect! Your egalitarian totalitarianistic antidisestablishmentarianism shall not be permitted, fascist wretch!"

You should really not be putting your models anywhere someone would put their feet, ever, you really can't blame the guy who stepped on it.

Um, if it's repairable i wouldn't be too concerned, just make sure they know you didn't break it on purpose, don't be too quick to laugh it off.

But if i totally destroyed someone's model, i would check to make sure i wrecked that thing, and then offer to buy it, and use what's left of it for basing, terrain, or wrecked vehicle craters.

Stepping on most tanks would probably destroy them, as in bits cracked and broken rather than things just coming apart at the joins. If you actually break the model where it shouldn't come apart, then it should be replaced, but if you just crack it along a join, or cause something to fall off - no need to buy a whole new one.

Or just take the "You break it you buy it" approach, or even the "You break it you eat it" approach - that one works wonders.

Well lets see, if i was playing a game and some one put there model on the ground and I stepped on it. I would appologize yes.

If he asked me to repay him for it I would say no. Its not my fault you decided to put it on the ground where any one can step on it.

Granted if it happend to my model yes I would be hella pissed. But sadly it would have been my fault in the long run not his.

If you honestly seem to care so much about your models you should take better care of them.

2 more things i want to add

1) honestly people have enough to be careful about not to knock over stuff ON the table then to look at the floor too.

2) the camo on the tank must be working really well too!