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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/15 21:46:22
Subject: Judges ruling forces kid to take chemo
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_he_me/us_med_forced_chemo
MINNEAPOLIS – A Minnesota judge ruled Friday that a 13-year-old cancer patient must be evaluated by a doctor to determine if the boy would benefit from restarting chemotherapy over his parents' objections.
In a 58-page ruling, Brown County District Judge John Rodenberg found that Daniel Hauser has been "medically neglected" by his parents, Colleen and Anthony Hauser, and was in need of child protection services.
While he allowed Daniel to stay with his parents, the judge gave the Hausers until Tuesday to get an updated chest X-ray for their son and select an oncologist.
If the evaluation shows the cancer had advanced to a point where chemotherapy and radiation would no longer help, the judge said, he would not order the boy to undergo treatment.
The judge wrote that Daniel has only a "rudimentary understanding at best of the risks and benefits of chemotherapy. ... he does not believe he is ill currently. The fact is that he is very ill currently."
Daniel's court-appointed attorney, Philip Elbert, called the decision unfortunate.
"I feel it's a blow to families," he said. "It marginalizes the decisions that parents face every day in regard to their children's medical care. It really affirms the role that big government is better at making our decisions for us."
Elbert said he hadn't spoken to his client yet. The phone line at the Hauser home in Sleepy Eye in southwestern Minnesota had a busy signal Friday. The parents' attorney had no immediate comment but planned to issue a statement.
Daniel was diagnosed with Hodgkin's lymphoma and stopped chemotherapy in February after a single treatment. He and his parents opted instead for "alternative medicines" based on their religious beliefs.
Child protection workers accused Daniel's parents of medical neglect; but in court, his mother insisted the boy wouldn't submit to chemotherapy for religious reasons and she said she wouldn't comply if the court orders it.
Doctors have said Daniel's cancer had up to a 90 percent chance of being cured with chemotherapy and radiation. Without those treatments, doctors said his chances of survival are 5 percent.
Daniel's parents have been supporting what they say is their son's decision to treat the disease with nutritional supplements and other alternative treatments favored by the Nemenhah Band.
The Missouri-based religious group believes in natural healing methods advocated by some American Indians.
After the first chemotherapy treatment, the family said they wanted a second opinion, said Dr. Bruce Bostrom, a pediatric oncologist who recommended Daniel undergo chemotherapy and radiation.
They later informed him that Daniel would not undergo any more chemotherapy. Bostrom said Daniel's tumor shrunk after the first chemotherapy session, but X-rays show it has grown since he stopped the chemotherapy.
"My son is not in any medical danger at this point," Colleen Hauser testified at a court hearing last week. She also testified that Daniel is a medicine man and elder in the Nemenhah Band.
The family's attorney, Calvin Johnson, said Daniel made the decision himself to refuse chemotherapy, but Brown County said he did not have an understanding of what it meant to be a medicine man or an elder.
Court filings also indicated Daniel has a learning disability and can't read.
The Hausers have eight children. Colleen Hauser told the New Ulm Journal newspaper that the family's Catholicism and adherence to the Nemenhah Band are not in conflict, and that she has used natural remedies to treat illness.
Nemenhah was founded in the 1990s by Philip Cloudpiler Landis, who said Thursday he once served four months in prison in Idaho for fraud related to advocating natural remedies.
Landis said he founded the faith after facing his diagnosis of a cancer similar to Daniel Hauser. He said he treated it with diet choices, visits to a sweat lodge and other natural remedies.
Those type of parent piss me off
Refusing a treatment that could save his life
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/15 22:00:16
Subject: Re:Judges ruling forces kid to take chemo
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Court filings also indicated Daniel has a learning disability and can't read.
The Hausers have eight children. Colleen Hauser told the New Ulm Journal newspaper that the family's Catholicism and adherence to the Nemenhah Band are not in conflict, and that she has used natural remedies to treat illness.
No conflict my butt. Medicine man does not a doctor make.
I read a story a couple of days ago about a guy in India who hadn't bathed in 30+ years. He would smoke marijuana in a sweatlodge to "cleanse" himself. He could only get a job working out in a field so that people wouldn't smell him. He had lost the business he owned because people were offended by his smell.
The connection between these two, their both bats**t crazy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/15 22:04:30
Subject: Judges ruling forces kid to take chemo
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Hmmm. Legally enforced medicine. Probably only okay in the case of minors like this fella. If it's an adult, let them see how effective the alternatives are.
Edit: Also, I love how people think "Natural" is always better than artificial. It's delicious.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/15 22:09:26
Subject: Re:Judges ruling forces kid to take chemo
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barlio wrote:No conflict my butt. Medicine man does not a doctor make. I read a story a couple of days ago about a guy in India who hadn't bathed in 30+ years. He would smoke marijuana in a sweatlodge to "cleanse" himself. He could only get a job working out in a field so that people wouldn't smell him. He had lost the business he owned because people were offended by his smell. The connection between these two, their both bats**t crazy. That's the imperialist attitude that takes you on a downhill slope to ethnic cleansing, repression of culture, and ultimately the degradation of many of what we see now as "Primative" practices. Well, I did exagerate somewhat, but what I mean is that you can't press what you see as our modern medicine onto people. Look at Christian Scientists -- people don't often call them crazies. sA
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/15 22:16:36
Subject: Judges ruling forces kid to take chemo
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I agree, he should have chemo, but the judge is in the wrong. The government should not have the right to take a child away from his parents and force him to have treatment.
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"I.. I know my time has come" Tethesis said with a gasp, a torrent of blood flowing from his lips.
"No! Hang on brother!!" Altharius could feel the warmth slip away from his dear sibling's hands
Tethesis's reached out his bloodied arm to Altharius's face.
"I..I have one final request"
Altharius leaned close to listen, tears welling in his once bright eyes.
"make sure th..they put my soulstone in a tank... it'll be... real fethin' cool"
"Yes, you're gonna be the most fethin' cool tank!!" burning hot tears streaked down Altharius's face, as he held his brother's soul in his grasp.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/15 22:18:04
Subject: Re:Judges ruling forces kid to take chemo
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barlio wrote:I read a story a couple of days ago about a guy in India who hadn't bathed in 30+ years.
I think he mighta been at the last games day I went to...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/15 22:19:43
Subject: Judges ruling forces kid to take chemo
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I disagree there, but only in the case of a child.
Allowing the child to die of cancer would be much much worse than violating the parent's right to be morons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/15 22:35:03
Subject: Re:Judges ruling forces kid to take chemo
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smiling Assassin wrote:Well, I did exagerate somewhat, but what I mean is that you can't press what you see as our modern medicine onto people. Look at Christian Scientists -- people don't often call them crazies.
sA
No, people always call them crazies. Jk, sort of. I'm not saying that religous medicine is crazy, I do feel that emotion and personal strength does a lot for the body. For some reason (in very extreme cases) natural methods do work. Look at somebody who is always miserable. Chances are they feel sick.
@smiling assassin: I know that you are exaggerating, but you have to realize that these people are mixing mysticism (sp) with Catholicism. I'm not catholic, but I know for most that is a major no-no  . If they actually believe that their beliefs systems are not in conflict then they do have a psychological problem. To deny their child every "reasonable" form of medicine (be it chemo or whatever) would indicate to me (and others I believe) that they're a few bolt shells short of clip.
http://ph.news.yahoo.com/afp/20090512/tts-health-india-gender-offbeat-9819610.html <-- Smelly duder. "A seer once told Kalau that if he does not take a bath, he would be blessed with a male child,"
Ok that's fine that it is his religous belief. He is also 63. Should 63 year old guys not be having children? He can do whatever he wants, but at some point you have to give to reason. These people are risking the life of their son. That is a sad, sad commentary. I've known more than one family in my area (and in my family) that has helped a child fight for years, YEARS, and these people are going to give up after one treatment.
Shame on them, but remember I'm just a random guy on the intraweb and my opinion will have no influence on them. I just hope they make the right decision.
 /rant over. Sorry sA if I was over preachy. Your my dawg, right?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/15 22:40:25
Subject: Judges ruling forces kid to take chemo
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mcfly wrote:I agree, he should have chemo, but the judge is in the wrong. The government should not have the right to take a child away from his parents and force him to have treatment.
Well, if the judge doesn't do that, how will he get his treatment? It's a pretty simple line of reasoning: Minors can't make their own medical decisions because they're too young (and this kid sounds not too bright). If a child's parent's aren't acting in his best interests, its' the job of a family judge to do so.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/15 22:42:14
Subject: Judges ruling forces kid to take chemo
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Unfortunate but necessary. Parents don't have the right to kill their kid.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/15 22:47:45
Subject: Judges ruling forces kid to take chemo
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Minors can't make their own medical decisions because they're too young (and this kid sounds not too bright). If a child's parent's aren't acting in his best interests, its' the job of a family judge to do so.
See, the kid has been told by his parents that God will heal him, so there is no problem to him. They're too religious. But how is it right for the government to tell you how or how not to raise your child? And if you do it wrong, they can take you away, put you in foster care, and mess the kid up forever. (yes, every kid I've ever known that was in foster care was screwed up)
Now, I don't support people that are poor, and raising their kids in horrible circumstances. I am assuming this family is a middle class family, with a home, that has a bit of a nutcase church. If I am wrong, then my argument is invalid. But if he has a good home life, I feel its not the governments choice to ruin his life and mess up his family. Heck, if he's gonna die, then so what. People die ever day, and the worlds overpopulated. If he dies, his parents will be sued anyway...
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"I.. I know my time has come" Tethesis said with a gasp, a torrent of blood flowing from his lips.
"No! Hang on brother!!" Altharius could feel the warmth slip away from his dear sibling's hands
Tethesis's reached out his bloodied arm to Altharius's face.
"I..I have one final request"
Altharius leaned close to listen, tears welling in his once bright eyes.
"make sure th..they put my soulstone in a tank... it'll be... real fethin' cool"
"Yes, you're gonna be the most fethin' cool tank!!" burning hot tears streaked down Altharius's face, as he held his brother's soul in his grasp.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/15 22:50:24
Subject: Judges ruling forces kid to take chemo
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Under the Himalaiyan mountains
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^Just so you know, I have a bad opinion of mankind.
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"I.. I know my time has come" Tethesis said with a gasp, a torrent of blood flowing from his lips.
"No! Hang on brother!!" Altharius could feel the warmth slip away from his dear sibling's hands
Tethesis's reached out his bloodied arm to Altharius's face.
"I..I have one final request"
Altharius leaned close to listen, tears welling in his once bright eyes.
"make sure th..they put my soulstone in a tank... it'll be... real fethin' cool"
"Yes, you're gonna be the most fethin' cool tank!!" burning hot tears streaked down Altharius's face, as he held his brother's soul in his grasp.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/15 23:00:53
Subject: Judges ruling forces kid to take chemo
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mcfly wrote:Minors can't make their own medical decisions because they're too young (and this kid sounds not too bright). If a child's parent's aren't acting in his best interests, its' the job of a family judge to do so.
See, the kid has been told by his parents that God will heal him, so there is no problem to him. They're too religious. But how is it right for the government to tell you how or how not to raise your child? And if you do it wrong, they can take you away, put you in foster care, and mess the kid up forever. (yes, every kid I've ever known that was in foster care was screwed up)
Now, I don't support people that are poor, and raising their kids in horrible circumstances. I am assuming this family is a middle class family, with a home, that has a bit of a nutcase church. If I am wrong, then my argument is invalid. But if he has a good home life, I feel its not the governments choice to ruin his life and mess up his family. Heck, if he's gonna die, then so what. People die ever day, and the worlds overpopulated. If he dies, his parents will be sued anyway...
Well, the key here is the 95% chance of dying that the doctors gave if they don't take him away. Contrary to popular belief, it's pretty hard for the government to take away children from their parents. Even here, he's not being taken away, he's simply being given his treatment.
Allowing your child to die needlessly is criminal endangerment and neglect, and nobody should be allowed to let their kids die needlessly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/15 23:54:11
Subject: Judges ruling forces kid to take chemo
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I agree, he should have chemo, but the judge is in the wrong. The government should not have the right to take a child away from his parents and force him to have treatment.
I don't really think so. Until the boy is of the age to make his own decisions about his medical and physical health his parents should be making responsible decisions for him. A decision that will almost certainly result in the childs death is by no means responsible as the alternative is not very harmful.
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Religious freaks....believing in whatever religion you want to is fine...risking your kids life because youre brainwashed is another.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/16 06:48:18
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I agree with brad3104. Stay away from my beliefs and practices and I'll do the same.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/16 08:09:28
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It's always wise to take your medical advice from people who haven't even entered the stone age yet, and most likely won't.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/16 08:32:57
Subject: Re:Judges ruling forces kid to take chemo
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barlio wrote:No, people always call them crazies. Jk, sort of. I'm not saying that religous medicine is crazy, I do feel that emotion and personal strength does a lot for the body. For some reason (in very extreme cases) natural methods do work. Look at somebody who is always miserable. Chances are they feel sick.
You're right, psychosomatism is a very unexplored and relatively useful way to cure the body of illness. That's not sitting there with your eyes tight shut, squeezing like for a huge gak, wishing to get better - it's positive belief and thoughts. It helps immesurably. There have been many cases where people just... got inexplicably better through mind power alone, however not concentrated.
barlio wrote:@smiling assassin: I know that you are exaggerating, but you have to realize that these people are mixing mysticism (sp) with Catholicism. I'm not catholic, but I know for most that is a major no-no  . If they actually believe that their beliefs systems are not in conflict then they do have a psychological problem. To deny their child every "reasonable" form of medicine (be it chemo or whatever) would indicate to me (and others I believe) that they're a few bolt shells short of clip.
I am catholic, whoopty do! Not so strict (e.g. I believe in Birth Control, Sex before Marraige, Homos O.K. etc. etc.), but Catholic. And there are the sects of crazies, but more often than not, these people are rare and somewhat outcast. It would not only indicate to me, by denying their child medicine, that they're a few BMGs short of the headshot, but they are dangerously neglecting the needs of the child, through their own selfish beliefs. This is a criminal offence, wherever you look at it. I'd put it next to child abuse, and beating, in the books of gaks.
barlio wrote: /rant over. Sorry sA if I was over preachy. Your my dawg, right?
You weren't preachy at all, mate. I'm your dawg.
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Oh, Death was never enemy of ours!
We laughed at him, we leagued with him, old chum.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/16 08:48:12
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/16 10:45:30
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mcfly wrote:I agree, he should have chemo, but the judge is in the wrong. The government should not have the right to take a child away from his parents and force him to have treatment.
I am uneasy too.
There is a line between taking a child into care because he is being passively or actively abused, and taking a child into care because of his parents' choice of medical treatments.
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This is where religious belief crosses the line and becomes a form of mental illness. It may not have physiological roots, so medicine would not be effective, but nevertheless, it is real and there is no better description. Such a breakdown of logic would, if I were a judge, make me feel tempted to classify the parents as incapable due to reasons of inability to make logical decisions.
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Stupid people are bad at realising they are stupid because they lack the cognitive skills to properly evaluate their poor cognitive skills.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/17 02:31:46
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There is a line between taking a child into care because he is being passively or actively abused, and taking a child into care because of his parents' choice of medical treatments.
I think it has more to do with that the child doesn't really understand that he will die if he doesn't get this treatment and that his parents are putting their religion (and most likely his own) before his life. It would be different if he was older and less impressionable.
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The law holds that children can't understand medical treatments sufficiently well to give informed consent. This is why the parents are needed to give consent.
I wonder what happens in the case of Jehovah's Witnesses?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/17 16:22:59
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smiling Assassin wrote:barlio wrote:No conflict my butt. Medicine man does not a doctor make.
I read a story a couple of days ago about a guy in India who hadn't bathed in 30+ years. He would smoke marijuana in a sweatlodge to "cleanse" himself. He could only get a job working out in a field so that people wouldn't smell him. He had lost the business he owned because people were offended by his smell.
The connection between these two, their both bats**t crazy.
That's the imperialist attitude that takes you on a downhill slope to ethnic cleansing, repression of culture, and ultimately the degradation of many of what we see now as "Primative" practices.
Well, I did exagerate somewhat, but what I mean is that you can't press what you see as our modern medicine onto people. Look at Christian Scientists -- people don't often call them crazies.
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I call them crazy. Of course, they're adults most often. If crazy wants to kill himself through prayer, let him. If he wants to kill his kid, that's a different story.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/17 16:37:42
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This actually also has me riled up a bit too.
Not because I care but because every patient has a right to refuse treatment. It makes my job a lot easier when one of these religious people comes in and says they can't take blood transfusions during surgery or something similar. We just tell them to have a good day. I wish we could tell them to contact their local funeral home in number of months and to make some funerary arrangements at their religious organization of choice, but then they would get all offended because you don't believe their god will save them.
The parents of a child make these decisions for them, the child himself probably is pretty clear on not getting the treatment either. It's their decision and no other person should be able to force the issue. Especially with chemo, it's like torture. He'll probably physically fight the staff tooth and nail, and if he does that they won't treat him. It's easy to not get treatment somewhere, just be physically violent or difficult.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/17 18:26:17
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I wonder what happens in the case of Jehovah's Witnesses?
In Canada if a Jehovah's Witness minor is refusing treatment due to their parents decision (their own decision doens't legally matter) then they are taken from their family, given the treatment, and then it is fought out in court.
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You're right, psychosomatism is a very unexplored and relatively useful way to cure the body of illness.
Actually no it isn't. Its a fantastic way of aiding the immune system in fighting off non lethal illness and the placebo effect is very well documented. Feeling great doesn't cure cancer, it doesn't get rid of blood infections, it doesn't get rid of diseases, and it doesn't do a hell of a lot of other things. Feeling great and ignoring the problem doesn't cure anything, all it does is lesson the impact of colds and makes the uncomfortable symptoms of illness less impactful.
That's the imperialist attitude that takes you on a downhill slope to ethnic cleansing, repression of culture, and ultimately the degradation of many of what we see now as "Primative" practices.
I'm pretty sure not bathing is a primitive practice that can give you a tonne of diseases/infections. Not that your going to notice when your unemployed and smoked out your entire life like that guy sounded to be.
I am catholic, whoopty do! Not so strict (e.g. I believe in Birth Control, Sex before Marraige, Homos O.K. etc. etc.), but Catholic. And there are the sects of crazies, but more often than not, these people are rare and somewhat outcast. It would not only indicate to me, by denying their child medicine, that they're a few BMGs short of the headshot, but they are dangerously neglecting the needs of the child, through their own selfish beliefs. This is a criminal offence, wherever you look at it. I'd put it next to child abuse, and beating, in the books of gaks.
There is nothing wrong with religion, but the extreme sects of major religions and the small crazy religions that pop up from time to time are often dangerous beyond the point of tolerance.
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Do you remember that time that thing happened?
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Subject: Re:Judges ruling forces kid to take chemo
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Daniel was diagnosed with Hodgkin's lymphoma and stopped chemotherapy in February after a single treatment. He and his parents opted instead for "alternative medicines" based on their religious beliefs
AAAARRRRGGHHHH!!!!!
There is no such thing as 'alternative medicine'. Its either medicine or it isn't.
'alternative medicine' is a pointless title given to 'treatments' which cannot legally call themselves medicines because no scientific trail has ever proven them to have any benefit whatsover. Calling something 'alternative medicine' is fraudulent, exploitative quackery and a pox upon the houses of the evil snake oil salesmen who peddle it to the desperate.
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