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Was speaking to my local retailer earlier and he was telling me how in June GW were starting a sliding scale discount for retailers. How he explained it was depending on a criteria list they will be using which includes things such as 'do you own a shop' they will work out what discount you recieve. He said GW's idea behind it was to cut down on the cheap independant internet sellers as they would get less of a discount if they dont own a shop they would not be able to offer things as cheaply as they do now.
Personally I cant see this working as a lot of the internet traders happen to own shops as well...
Anyone else out there heard anything about this?
Mick

It might give me a reason to buy something other than paint at the FLGS if it's true...

As much as I'd love to support the local shops, I'm a cheap bastiche and paying full retail chaps me raw in the wallet.

Maybe try to see what other model companies have to offer then huh?

So the online shops will open stores with tables and painting lessons, putting the brick and mortar Games Workshop stores out of business in their respective areas. Brilliant.

I get all my GW stuff from a UK online retailer for 30% less (including postage) than to get in my car and drive the 5km to my local GW.

Fortunately that retailer has a bricks and mortar store, with tables, and I'm sure they would love to have a painting station.

I can see the reasoning behind it, but if they sold their models at a reasonable price I would be buying stuff from my local store.

Really? What's their website? I use giftsforgeeks at the moment, but they only offer a 25% discount, and I don't think they're brick and mortar.

My FLGS sells stuff at the regular GWOZ price, but they don't do price increases. Because it's an independent retailer that is part of a comic store and whole thing is owned by the bookshop downstairs. Quite a nice setup really.

More info about this in this thread on Warseer:

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200134

Just spoke to my local retailer again and he's been told he will get a high discount even though he doesn't get all the ticks needed... They are def after the internet sellers with or without bricks and mortar... (my retailer doesn't do anything online)
Mick

Here we go again, another attack to the "evil" internet business by GW... the only result I see from this is less people buying GW stuff... maybe thats what they are after... less people buying but at full retail prices?

Apparently, if you are stateside you have to own a brick and mortar store to even be a GW reseller. thats what the account manager explained to me anyways. and he said that was to protect the already existing brick stores. and keep the internet stuff down.

dashrendar wrote:Apparently, if you are stateside you have to own a brick and mortar store to even be a GW reseller. thats what the account manager explained to me anyways. and he said that was to protect the already existing brick stores. and keep the internet stuff down.

Just sounds like more and more people will be hooking up with the warstore or Alliance for distribution.

Because after all, being able to sell the products people want, at lower prices and in higher volume, well that is just bad and wrong!

dashrendar wrote:and keep the internet stuff down.

So...there's a recession on, they are raising the prices AND trying to kill off internet sales as much as possible.

ahahahahaha....who's writing their business plan? winged monkies?

GW prefers bricks and mortar stores to sell its product because these stores form the cornerstone of the company's marketing strategy. They want people playing games, with painted armies on terrained tables, to showcase the hobby in public venues that will attract new players/customers.

Hey, it worked with me. I knew about the company and the games, but it wasn't until I passed by a store, saw armies in the glass case, wandered downstairs to see the tables and to hover on the edge of games, asking annoying questions, that I got into 40K myself.

tinfoil wrote:GW prefers bricks and mortar stores to sell its product because these stores form the cornerstone of the company's marketing strategy. They want people playing games, with painted armies on terrained tables, to showcase the hobby in public venues that will attract new players/customers.

Hey, it worked with me. I knew about the company and the games, but it wasn't until I passed by a store, saw armies in the glass case, wandered downstairs to see the tables and to hover on the edge of games, asking annoying questions, that I got into 40K myself.

Didnt work for me. WAY back when, got into it via a vet who had a bunch of models. once played I was hooked. Of course that was almost 20 years ago....

*shrug* There's more than one way to recruit, and GW's choosen only one-brick and mortar and their own stores.

Further, the US market isnt the UK. Its a HUGE area and frankly? there arent enough stores to cover it. Internet is the way folks not only buy stuff, but stay in touch and get intouch. GW is behind the times. And I bet their finace reports still show it.

Actually the space issue in the US is the reason they are trying to cater to Brick and Mortar. GW knows they can not have a store everywhere here. They also realize the FLGS are an integral part of their business and are spread out much more than GW could ever hope. Even though they are not the only way to bring in new gamers, they are definitely one of the top ways to do it. People come into or pass by one, see people playing and get curious.

As for those of you who claim the GW price keeps you from buying from FLGS and sends you to the net. Do you really believe that crap! The only way you would buy from a FLGS would be if the prices are the same. As long as they are not you most likely will continue to buy on the net. If that is your choice so be it, but don't act like that would suddenly change if the FLGS had lower prices.

I personally am willing to pay the extra amount because I enjoy what I get from the FLGS. He provides a space to play, to hold events, and a place to socialize and exchange ideas. Buildings cost money and that money must come from somewhere.

loomisc wrote:Actually the space issue in the US is the reason they are trying to cater to Brick and Mortar. GW knows they can not have a store everywhere here. They also realize the FLGS are an integral part of their business and are spread out much more than GW could ever hope. Even though they are not the only way to bring in new gamers, they are definitely one of the top ways to do it. People come into or pass by one, see people playing and get curious.

As for those of you who claim the GW price keeps you from buying from FLGS and sends you to the net. Do you really believe that crap! The only way you would buy from a FLGS would be if the prices are the same. As long as they are not you most likely will continue to buy on the net. If that is your choice so be it, but don't act like that would suddenly change if the FLGS had lower prices.

I personally am willing to pay the extra amount because I enjoy what I get from the FLGS. He provides a space to play, to hold events, and a place to socialize and exchange ideas. Buildings cost money and that money must come from somewhere.

There are some FLGS that I wouldnt buy from even if it were cheaper. In fact majority of time Its not worth the gas to drive. I'm sure some of you have good ones. Good for you! Me? Dont care about them anymore. Its much much easier to shop in my fuzzy slippers and have it arrive then shop at a FLGS.

FLGS around me have shown to be unreliable, and frankly at this juncture in my life I DONT need them. To play. To buy. To paint. To hold events.

I call BS on your "GW knows they cant have a B&M everywhere, and thats why. If they know they cant have one everywhere....why exactly did they kill the shopping carts? ANd now this?

Real question here:

Don't most FLGS's or online discounters get their stuff from distributors like Alliance?

Sure some get their stuff direct from GW and have a rep, but I know one local FLGS in my area that goes through them.

I'm going there tonight for our weekly WM/Hordes meetup, I'm definitely going to ask him how this may affect him and GW.

I don't need a LGS, so they generate ZERO extra value for me. I don't need their gaming / painting nights. I don't need their table space.

If the LGS costs the same, and is as reliable and flexible as the WarStore, then they will get my money.

If not, then they need to be *cheaper*.

But don't forget that I am simply *buying*, no more, no less.

I will at least give GW credit this time for not lying to the customers by saying some BS about protecting their IP.

Voodoo Boyz wrote:Don't most FLGS's or online discounters get their stuff from distributors like Alliance?

Our local FLGS gets from both GW and Alliance. iirc, the Warstore is also a distributor.

My gaming group went from 5 players to 11 players purely on Word of Mouth and Internet Sales. Those six new players also don't need an FLGS.

Killing off internet retailers essentially would mean they are giving our group another 20%-25% cost increase on top of the June increase.

Ah well, for me, at least, the only things I'd buy are Vendettas. Maybe I'm not the segment they market to because I don't have to buy from them anymore.

I just get how kids can convince their parents to buy them a $58 Valkyrie/Land Raider... plus the rest of the army.

I call BS on your "GW knows they cant have a B&M everywhere, and thats why. If they know they cant have one everywhere....why exactly did they kill the shopping carts? ANd now this?

Because they are trying to help support brick and mortar not net discounters.

loomisc wrote:

Because they are trying to help support brick and mortar not net discounters.

And how does that help folks without a FLGS nearby? Some of us have absolutely no use for them.


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I pulled this from warseer:

have spoken to the GW trade rep who went away and confirmed that NO TRADER will be allowed to sell ANY new items on ebay from the 1st June, regardless of if you have your own website or store etc away from ebay, it is not just for people who only sell via ebay as these people were eliminated from being traders back in Sept last year when the new rules about having your own website with unique URL etc came in.

Can someone explain to me how they can enforce no selling on ebay?

Simple. They see you selling on eBay and they cancel your account.

At which point, you're free to liquidate your stuff on eBay.

carmachu wrote:

loomisc wrote:

Because they are trying to help support brick and mortar not net discounters.

And how does that help folks without a FLGS nearby? Some of us have absolutely no use for them.


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I pulled this from warseer:

have spoken to the GW trade rep who went away and confirmed that NO TRADER will be allowed to sell ANY new items on ebay from the 1st June, regardless of if you have your own website or store etc away from ebay, it is not just for people who only sell via ebay as these people were eliminated from being traders back in Sept last year when the new rules about having your own website with unique URL etc came in.

Can someone explain to me how they can enforce no selling on ebay?

GW is completely lost when it comes to using common sense. Does it matter who is doing what as long as product is being sold? The World economy is hurting and GW feels need to police secondary market for selling of models. Use this time and effort to put forth better codexes and rules.

Complete fail


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Ghaz wrote:Simple. They see you selling on eBay and they cancel your account.

How do they enforce this? Items were purchased from some source. They are property of ebay seller. Explain.....

Old Man Ultramarine wrote:

Ghaz wrote:Simple. They see you selling on eBay and they cancel your account.

How do they enforce this? Items were purchased from some source. They are property of ebay seller. Explain.....

You can sell whatever you like, and GW has no restriction on that.

Likewise, GW can sell to whomever they like, and you can't force them to sell to you.

If GW decides you're selling too much, too cheaply on eBay, then they simply decline to sell any more stuff to you.

Now you can continue to buy via a distributor, for resale on eBay, but then, the distributor has a cut, so your eBay price isn't as good.

Fair enough.

GW must be worried someone is making more money than them. Crazy.