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HQ Commander Farsight – 170

7x
107
Crisis Suit Bodyguards
Plasma Rifles
Missile Pods
Targeting Array
HW multi-tracker
HW drone controller
Shield Drones
Gun Drones

919 points.
8 Crisis suits
7 Shield Drones
7 Gun Drones
KPs: 1

My challenge to you: Make a non-apoc unit more expensive (and more effective if you can manage it)

And yes, I could have heaped more points onto this, but I decided to make it SOMEWHAT points-effective.

I think that's 2 KP's, because isn't Farsight an Independant Character?

They're his Bodyguard. I think that makes it one KP.

Nope, because he's accompanied by his retinue.
In the Codex:
Independent character: Unless accompanied by a bodyguard, the commander is an independent character, etc. etc.

10man Jetseer council
(All usefull upgrades)

+10x Spirit seers
+10x Singing spears
+10x Jetbikes
+2x Conceal (Redundancy, for this & the next two)
+2x Enhance
+2x Embolden
+4x Destructor.

650pts

Ahh, that looses to your 749pt battlesuit retinue. Close, though.

Edit: Before somone else gets this; 3x Leman russ executioners with all the trimmings. Comes to 930pts

Oor a fully kitted out 50man combined infantry sqaud blob (One killpoint by choice, one FOC) comes to 810. Makes a relatively, if a bit too multi-taskable, effective unit...

Marneus Calgar, Lord of Macragge 960pts
-Armor of Antiochus

Honor Guard (10)
-Chapter Champion with Auxilary Grenade Launcher, Digital Lasers, Relic Blade, Thunder Hammer
-Auxiliary Grenade Launcher x9
-Relic blade x9
-Chapter Banner

Chaos Lord
-Termie Armour
-LC
-Mok

CSM Termies
-LC x10
-Asp Champ upgrade x10
-MoK

Not sure the price but thats a hell of a lot of attacks on the charge.

If combined platoons count, I think this should too. Can't fit in their transport but oh well.


HQ: Wolf Lord Logan Grimnar (11#, 1257 Pts)
1 Wolf Lord Logan Grimnar @ 1257 Pts
Storm Bolter; The Axe Morkai; Wolf Pelt; Wolf Tail Talisman; Wolf Guard Bodyguard
1 Terminator Armor @ [0] Pts
1 Wolf Pelt @ [0] Pts
1 Wolf Tail Talisman @ [0] Pts
1 Wolf Tooth Necklace @ [0] Pts
1 Wolf Guard Bodyguard @ [1007] Pts
True Grit; Runic Charm; Wolf Pelt; Chain Fist (x1); Cyclone Missile Launcher; Wolf Guard; Wolf Guard; Wolf Guard; Wolf Guard; Wolf Guard; Land Raider
1 Runic Charm @ [5] Pts
1 Terminator Armor @ [5] Pts
1 Wolf Pelt @ [3] Pts
1 Wolf Tooth Necklace @ [10] Pts
1 Wolf Guard @ [98] Pts
True Grit; Runic Charm; Wolf Pelt; Chain Fist (x1); Cyclone Missile Launcher
1 Runic Charm @ [5] Pts
1 Terminator Armor @ [5] Pts
1 Wolf Pelt @ [3] Pts
1 Wolf Tooth Necklace @ [10] Pts
1 Wolf Guard @ [98] Pts
True Grit; Runic Charm; Wolf Pelt; Chain Fist (x1); Cyclone Missile Launcher
1 Runic Charm @ [5] Pts
1 Terminator Armor @ [5] Pts
1 Wolf Pelt @ [3] Pts
1 Wolf Tooth Necklace @ [10] Pts
1 Wolf Guard @ [73] Pts
True Grit; Runic Charm; Wolf Pelt; Storm Shield (x1); Thunder Hammer (x1)
1 Runic Charm @ [5] Pts
1 Terminator Armor @ [5] Pts
1 Wolf Pelt @ [3] Pts
1 Wolf Tooth Necklace @ [10] Pts
1 Wolf Guard @ [73] Pts
True Grit; Runic Charm; Wolf Pelt; Storm Shield (x1); Thunder Hammer (x1)
1 Runic Charm @ [5] Pts
1 Terminator Armor @ [5] Pts
1 Wolf Pelt @ [3] Pts
1 Wolf Tooth Necklace @ [10] Pts
1 Wolf Guard @ [73] Pts
True Grit; Runic Charm; Wolf Pelt; Storm Shield (x1); Thunder Hammer (x1)
1 Runic Charm @ [5] Pts
1 Terminator Armor @ [5] Pts
1 Wolf Pelt @ [3] Pts
1 Wolf Tooth Necklace @ [10] Pts
1 Wolf Guard @ [73] Pts
True Grit; Runic Charm; Wolf Pelt; Storm Shield (x1); Thunder Hammer (x1)
1 Runic Charm @ [5] Pts
1 Terminator Armor @ [5] Pts
1 Wolf Pelt @ [3] Pts
1 Wolf Tooth Necklace @ [10] Pts
1 Wolf Guard @ [73] Pts
True Grit; Runic Charm; Wolf Pelt; Storm Shield (x1); Thunder Hammer (x1)
1 Runic Charm @ [5] Pts
1 Terminator Armor @ [5] Pts
1 Wolf Pelt @ [3] Pts
1 Wolf Tooth Necklace @ [10] Pts
1 Wolf Guard @ [73] Pts
True Grit; Runic Charm; Wolf Pelt; Storm Shield (x1); Thunder Hammer (x1)
1 Runic Charm @ [5] Pts
1 Terminator Armor @ [5] Pts
1 Wolf Pelt @ [3] Pts
1 Wolf Tooth Necklace @ [10] Pts
1 Land Raider @ [275] Pts
Power of the Machine Spirit; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Twin Linked Heavy Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon (x2); Extra Armor; Multi-Melta

Total Roster Cost: 1257

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Canonness Rory wrote:Nope, because he's accompanied by his retinue.
In the Codex:
Independent character: Unless accompanied by a bodyguard, the commander is an independent character, etc. etc.

Page 91 of the Rulebook:
"If a character has a retinue, the character and his retinue are worth 1 kill point each."

So sounds to me like he is indeed still 2 KP's.

@LuxuryYacht: Beware of individual point costs; its intellectual property of GW.

BrotherStynier -

That unit is 670 pts, but you could get even more attacks (and points cost) with a Bloodfeeder instead of LC on the Lord.

Well, they lose some points because of the lack of a character, but here's an attempt.

Nob Bikers (I know, right?) built for points - not wound allocation.

9 Bikers
1 Painboy

-Stikkbombz
-9 Power Klaws
-9 Rokkit kombi-weapons
-9 'eavy armour
-9 Bosspoles
-9 Waagh! Banners
-9 Ammo Runts
-1 Grot Orderly
-10 Cybork Bodies

1017 points. Also, that's a heck of a lot of Power Klaw attacks.

whitedragon wrote:

Canonness Rory wrote:Nope, because he's accompanied by his retinue.
In the Codex:
Independent character: Unless accompanied by a bodyguard, the commander is an independent character, etc. etc.

Page 91 of the Rulebook:
"If a character has a retinue, the character and his retinue are worth 1 kill point each."

So sounds to me like he is indeed still 2 KP's.

Codex > Rulebook.

10 Vanguard Veterans, all with Thunder Hammers, StormShields, meltabombs and Jump Packs


810 points, with no ambiguity as to whether it's one unit or not!

Okay, the retinue for an independent character would pretty obviously be 1 KP total.

A Hive Tyrant with Tyrant Guard is 1 KP.
A Broodlord with genestealer retinue is 1 KP.
The example in the OP post is 1 KP.

When it says SPECIFICALLY in the codex that they can be accompanied by X amount of models, they are not JOINING that unit, they are being added onto that model in addition, so it's all 1 KP.

Lorgar's_Blessed wrote:Okay, the retinue for an independent character would pretty obviously be 1 KP total.

A Hive Tyrant with Tyrant Guard is 1 KP.
A Broodlord with genestealer retinue is 1 KP.
The example in the OP post is 1 KP.

When it says SPECIFICALLY in the codex that they can be accompanied by X amount of models, they are not JOINING that unit, they are being added onto that model in addition, so it's all 1 KP.

QFT BTW, if you want to really be an *&^hole, abuse to hell wound allocation and make every one of those suits different, its an enormous pain in the ass.

I'm not even going to write it up, but a guard infantry platoon can clock in somewhere around 1500 points now. Just throwing that out there.

Maxed out Tyranid Warriors (9) comes to 747pts. Thats pretty huge considering there's no HQ to buff it up.

I dont know how you got that, I tried to do a maxed warriors, only came to 400somethin points.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Ok 665pts, still not anywhere near 855...

Oops.. missed the bit about only 1 of them being allowed to have a venom cannon

586pts is my revised cost. Maxed out morphs (wings), 1 VC, 17 Death Spitters.

Lorgar's_Blessed wrote:Okay, the retinue for an independent character would pretty obviously be 1 KP total.

A Hive Tyrant with Tyrant Guard is 1 KP.
A Broodlord with genestealer retinue is 1 KP.
The example in the OP post is 1 KP.

When it says SPECIFICALLY in the codex that they can be accompanied by X amount of models, they are not JOINING that unit, they are being added onto that model in addition, so it's all 1 KP.

Wow some people..got it for ya. page 91 of the RULE BOOK: ""IF A CHARACTER HAS A RETINUE, THE CHARACTER AND HIS UNIT ARE WORTH 1 KILL POINT EACH""

could not be more clearer to me

Calgar with Terminator Armour - 265
With three honour guard squads which count as the same HQ choice as him
360 points for ten models (115 base + 35 for each model up to seven aditional ones)
+25 to give one the Chapter Banner
Replacing Champion's Power Sword with a Thunder Hammer and giving him Digital Lasers(Digital Weapons) +25
Everyone gets an Auxiliary Grenade Launcher (+15 each) +150

Honour Guard Squad 1 = 560

Honour Guard Squad 2
Everyone gets Auxiliary Grenade Launchers and Relic Blades +300
Champion gets the same upgrades as the first + 25
=685

Honour Guard Squad 3 is the same as 2 =685

Single HQ choice = 2195 points, 31 models with 2+ saves

They can also take three Rhinos, Razorbacks or Drop Pods.

inquisitormartin2008k wrote:

Lorgar's_Blessed wrote:Okay, the retinue for an independent character would pretty obviously be 1 KP total.

A Hive Tyrant with Tyrant Guard is 1 KP.
A Broodlord with genestealer retinue is 1 KP.
The example in the OP post is 1 KP.

When it says SPECIFICALLY in the codex that they can be accompanied by X amount of models, they are not JOINING that unit, they are being added onto that model in addition, so it's all 1 KP.

Wow some people..got it for ya. page 91 of the RULE BOOK: ""IF A CHARACTER HAS A RETINUE, THE CHARACTER AND HIS UNIT ARE WORTH 1 KILL POINT EACH""

could not be more clearer to me

Except some CHARACTERS lose their CHARACTER status when they take a retinue.
A Chapter Master with an honor guard it 2 KPs, because the chapter master is still an IC.
A Hive Tyrand/Broodlord/Crisis Commander, is 1KP, because the Tyrant, Broodlord, and Crisis Commander are no longer ICs.

Thank you. Obviously attaching an IC to a squad denotes them as being 2 kp, but when it is all called one unit, it's 1 KP.

Lorgar's_Blessed wrote:Thank you. Obviously attaching an IC to a squad denotes them as being 2 kp, but when it is all called one unit, it's 1 KP.

Except when the character's retinue is killed they devolve to being an IC again, giving another KP if/when destroyed. However I still think an HQ character and bodyguard should count as a single unit choice in this kind of comparison

Grey Knight Hero Grand Master, for the full name.
w/
Psycannon
Bionics
Consecrated Scrolls
Digital Weapons
Emporors Tarot
Frag Grenades
Grimoire of True Names
Holy Relic
Icon of the Just
Krak Grenades
Master Crafted Weapons
Melta Bombs
Null Rod
Psychic Hood
Purity Seals
Sacred Incense
Targeter
Teleport Homer
Unguents of Warding
Scourging (Psychic Power)
=399pts

9x Grey Knight Terminator Retinue
Psycannon
Holocaust (Psychic Power)
=459

=858 overall

Orkestra wrote:Well, they lose some points because of the lack of a character, but here's an attempt.

Nob Bikers (I know, right?) built for points - not wound allocation.

9 Bikers
1 Painboy

-Stikkbombz
-9 Power Klaws
-9 Rokkit kombi-weapons
-9 'eavy armour
-9 Bosspoles
-9 Waagh! Banners
-9 Ammo Runts
-1 Grot Orderly
-10 Cybork Bodies

1017 points. Also, that's a heck of a lot of Power Klaw attacks.

Throw them into a fully decked battlewagon. Would that count?

Flinty wrote:

Lorgar's_Blessed wrote:Thank you. Obviously attaching an IC to a squad denotes them as being 2 kp, but when it is all called one unit, it's 1 KP.

Except when the character's retinue is killed they devolve to being an IC again, giving another KP if/when destroyed. However I still think an HQ character and bodyguard should count as a single unit choice in this kind of comparison

I dont think this is true. How does he go back into being an IC? When he takes a retinue it becomes one unit. He is like a sargeant at that point. The unit isn't dead until they are all dead, and they count as one kp.

MasticatorDeelux wrote:Throw them into a fully decked battlewagon. Would that count?

& I quote

Nobz Mobs (except Nob Bikers) may take a trukk as a dedicated transport vehicle. Alternatively they may take a Battlewagon as a dedicated transport vehicle..

I also quote

MasticatorDeelux wrote:9 Bikers
1 Painboy

So, no.

Page 91 annihilation Box.
"if a character has a retinue the character and his unit are worth 1 kill point each"