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Slaanesh Veteran Marine with Tentacles





Alaska

So, I regularly use Sorcerers as my HQ in my Chaos army, because let's be honest, Sorcerers are just way too cool. Now, I love the ability Gift of Chaos, because it can be disruptive to the point of ridiculousness to the enemy's firing lines. But on occasion I've used it on my friend's multi-wound HQ unit, killing it outright and causing some major arguments.

Pg. 88 of the Chaos Space Marines Codex states the following:

If the D6 roll scores over the victims Toughness, the victim is transformed into a shapeless blob of flesh and is removed as a casualty (and, as no wounds are taken, no saves apply!) Use the model's base Toughness (not the modified Toughness for being on a Bike for example), and a roll of 6 is always successful regardless of the target's Toughness value.


So, my question is this:

What unit(s) in the game are immune to this power's ability to instantly slay? Are units that are immune to Instant Death unaffected? And if they are unaffected, do they simply take one wound or is the entire power just shrugged off? And what about Independent Characters? Are they just squishified with no regard to their beefy saves and stats? And finally, howzabout the Nightbringer or Deceiver?

Thanks in advance.

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DH Inquisitors with a Null rod and any unit they join ... and any one else immune to psychic powers, Kharn springs to mind

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The GIft of Chaos power says you may pick "the Model" so even if a character is in a retinue you pick the model not the unit so yes you can snipe independents including a hive tyrant as they cannot allocate it to someone else as it is not a wound


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And Tri is right only if there immune to the power

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should also add that 6" is a very short distance ... and some things gone horribly wrong if your within 6" and you haven't killed the psychic.
   
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Alaska

Yeah, I was aware of the HQ/Spec. Weapon sniping abilities of GoC... Seeing as I fight Necrons almost exclusively, it's really only useful for twisting up his Lord and preventing that orb from working... And now that I know for sure that Independents are perfectly capable of being twisted up like a ball of putty, I'll be using that tactic quite often.

But just to clarify, even Monstrous Creatures and units with immunity to Sudden Death are affected? Just seems.... iffy to me. But hey, I'm not complaining.

should also add that 6" is a very short distance ... and some things gone horribly wrong if your within 6" and you haven't killed the psychic.


I greatly enjoy putting wings on him and slapping him into a raptor squad. Makes a Sorcerer surprisingly durable, and they're really no slouch in hand to hand combat, honestly.



Oh, another quick question. Gift of Chaos can be used in close combat... But can you target a unit engaged in close combat even if your psyker isn't engaged?

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Yes it one shots anything with a toughness value and i would really bike him over jump packs but thats just me - he can use it while in combat with the squad he is in but i would say n0 (although stupidly) it doesnt say can be shot into combat simply used while he is in combat

 
   
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There's only a 1 in 6 chance of your 6" range psychic power actually killing a Hive Tyrant instantly.

It's not bad, but it's not overpowered. Also, according to the old Necron FAQ, C'Tan can be spawned (and there's no real reason to think they can't be).

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Well thank you very much, that just about answers my question. Combine the fact that C'tan can be spawned with the fact that Ahriman or a Tzeentchian Sorcerer can slam out two or three GoCs a shooting phase.... Starts making them seem mighty attractive as C'tan killers. Although the 1 in 6 is a bit against the odds...

Well, I'm a casual gamer anyway, so that should be fun to play around with regardless of its effectiveness.

Thank you all for your help.

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"Feel the Emperor's judgement, Azrael!"
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I killed Vulkan with it last week ;-)

 
   
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Adeptas Sororitas (WH) would have a possibility of defending against it as on a 5+ it negates psychic attacks directed or affecting (think blast template drift) the squad, or even one figure of that squad (say one sororitas and 5 IG Infantry). Other than that, I'm not sure who can really prevent it.....
   
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Not to be blindingly obvious, but other than the Null Rod and non-psychic power affecting models, vehicles come to mind.
   
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MrDrumMachine wrote:I killed Vulkan with it last week ;-)


Well, according to fluff, you didnt really kill him. You just mutated the hell out of him into a mindless spawn of chaos that does your bidding =D. Far better than a simple kill imo.

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Alaska

Well, according to fluff, you didnt really kill him. You just mutated the hell out of him into a mindless spawn of chaos that does your bidding =D. Far better than a simple kill imo.


True that. That's one of the main reasons I play Chaos... It's good to be bad.

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"Feel the Emperor's judgement, Azrael!"
"Oooh, yes! Purge me! Purge me!" -Cheese Elemental

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IDEA!!, if your independent character passes a very low morale test 25%, then although mutated beyond belief they still retain there will and fight on, hence showing the strength of there will.

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No vehicles. Nothing immune to psy power.
Yes, non-instant-deathable creatures can be "gifted"

 
   
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I'm surprised that noone has mentioned the Grey Knights Aegis special rule. 1D6 + Ld vs. your Ld + 1D6, if they win, no power for you!
And while we're talking about the GK, the DH still have the old psychic hood, which can block psychic powers all over the field. Add this to all their crazy anti-daemon/chaos stuff and you'd be in trouble...

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Kharn is immune... much like the Null Rod dude.
Vehicles are immune.
GK/SOB have defenses against them, but are not immune.

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What about necrons...

WBB kicks in if a model is to be removed as a casualty, and GoC says to remove the model as a casualty. So.....
   
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Tri wrote:Kharn

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Yes, I missed that puma713, but isn't it rude to just post essentially one word...?

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This is a little story about four people named Everybody, Somebody, Anybody, and Nobody.
There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it.
Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it.
Somebody got angry about that because it was Everybody's job.
Everybody thought that Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn't do it.
It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done.
 
   
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Just remember though, the Chaos Dæmons version works against Khârn (SPELL IT RIGHT GODDAMNIT) because it's not a Psychic Power.

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Gwar! wrote:Just remember though, the Chaos Dæmons version works against Corn (SPELL IT RIGHT GODDAMNIT) because it's not a Psychic Power.


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Sanctjud wrote:Yes, I missed that puma713, but isn't it rude to just post essentially one word...?


No.

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Did anyone else notice that this thread was almost 7 months old when AKGator posted?

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zatchmo wrote:Did anyone else notice that this thread was almost 7 months old when AKGator posted?





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things immune to psych. abilities.


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I would love to see this devolve into a joke thread...

So...

Gift of Chaos... What can't it kill?

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Can it affect Garagantun Creatures? If it can, it would make Apoc games a bit more interesting...
   
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coredump wrote:What about necrons...

WBB kicks in if a model is to be removed as a casualty, and GoC says to remove the model as a casualty. So.....


Reviving question here.
   
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Valkyrie wrote:Can it affect Garagantun Creatures? If it can, it would make Apoc games a bit more interesting...
no they're only effected by powers with a strenght value.
   
 
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