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Ok, I was reading the what are your vices thread and Almost every other post was about weed, trying to get weed, etc. It seems that a large percentage of Dakka users do weed. Why? I have seen the effects of it (I'm not talking about getting high) and it really sucks. I'm one of the only guys on my rugby team that doesn't smoke weed and oddly enough I'm the one of the only guys on my rugby team that does well in school. This stuff really screws you up, and most people know this. So why do it in the first place? I just don't get it.
Oh, and please keep the discussion civil. This thread shouldn't get locked just for people insulting each other.
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It is a recreational drug, the people I know that smoke it do so in a manner much like taking a few glasses of a spirit after dinner. They might sit down to watch a movie and have a smoke or they might have one to relax the day after a night out on the town. I don't smoke it myself, since I personally find it accelerates my heartbeat and leaves me feeling uncomfortable, I prefer a glass or two of port. Simply put, those that use it do so because they enjoy the soporific effects it produces. As to failing at school, I'd suggest some things to you, they are not getting enough regular sleep, they are smoking too much, they aren't focussing or prioritising (difficult to blame the drug for that), they are most likely also drinking...Oh and they are rugby lads, forgive me since I played for my school, but few in my team were academic.
MeanGreenStompa wrote:It is a recreational drug, the people I know that smoke it do so in a manner much like taking a few glasses of a spirit after dinner. They might sit down to watch a movie and have a smoke or they might have one to relax the day after a night out on the town. I don't smoke it myself, since I personally find it accelerates my heartbeat and leaves me feeling uncomfortable, I prefer a glass or two of port. Simply put, those that use it do so because they enjoy the soporific effects it produces. As to failing at school, I'd suggest some things to you, they are not getting enough regular sleep, they are smoking too much, they aren't focussing or prioritising (difficult to blame the drug for that), they are most likely also drinking...Oh and they are rugby lads, forgive me since I played for my school, but few in my team were academic.
I agree with MGS here (maybe you should start a WhatWhat style sig )
Although on his last point i agree yet also find confusing; rugby is traditionally a game for the upperclass lads to play and traditionally is for smarter/better educated people, football is for those common scum .
corpsesarefun wrote:
I agree with MGS here (maybe you should start a WhatWhat style sig )
Although on his last point i agree yet also find confusing; rugby is traditionally a game for the upperclass lads to play and traditionally is for smarter/better educated people, football is for those common scum .
I come from Cornwall, we don't do football there in any big way. Rugby is the game of choice there no matter your class.
And you're making the common mistake of equating a posh accent or public school education with intellect.
From what I've seen of Rugby, it's a bunch of muddy men group-hugging, and they're some business about a ball that seems to be secondary. About weed, I divorced myself from an entire circle of friends because they got into it. I smoked it some, but really got nothing out of it. They all lost their jobs and moved back in with their parents because they lost the ability to do anything but smoke weed, sit on the floor, play endless games of solitaire and watch sitcom re-runs on TV. I have also tried to play warhammer with people who were stoned, and let me tell you, that was a massive waste of time and not in any way amusing or entertaining. Weed makes you stupid, end of story. Stoners don't have wacky adventures like they are portrayed in movies, unless you count the occasional trip to jail.
Something to consider is that tetrahydrocannabinol (aka THC, the active ingredient in weed), is that it has a different effect on everyone, depending on what else they're doing, their blood sugar, and so on.
It won't make you stupid, but if you're already stupid then it'll give you an excuse to stop studying.
It won't make you lazy, unless you're one of those useless people that are lazy anyways so now you won't have a reason to get off the couch. There's lots of people that toke up and then work hard, and there's plenty of people that toke up and then engage in challenging intellectual woke: Carl Sagan liked the pot, for example. My old dealer is currently doing his PhD in astro-physics. I've known professors, businessmen, and working musicians who smoke regularly.
It's not physically addictive, but long term use will affect you much like carrying a heavy weight all the time does. And the psychological addiction of sweetening everything, especially music and other intellectual pursuits, can be very addictive.
It will give you the munchies, so make sure that you have lots of healthy snacks around, particularly fruits and vegetables.
Nurglitch said it best, I really don't have anything to add. Some people can function, some can't. And some people are lazy-assed deadbeats before they even get started smoking.
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Personally, I don't like pot. It puts me to sleep, and I hate sleeping.
However, I have more than enough ancillary experience with the drug to know that it doesn't make you dumb. Some of the most intelligent people I know are massive fiends for the stuff.
I think of it as equivalent to, though different from, alcohol. Though that may simply be a justification for this glorious quote:
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools." - Hemingway
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Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
Yeah, and he also shot himself, but he was a brilliant author. Whether or not the brilliance justifies the transgressions is another matter. Well, actually its this matter, but I don't have a particularly objective justification, so I'll leave it to you folk.
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Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
Edit: Something I forgot to add is something that goes for all drugs (including alcohol), and that commonly gets ignored: how you experience drugs and how much you enjoy them depends very much on your situation and company. If you do them with boring people, or in a stressful situation, or what have you, you're not likely to enjoy the effects of the drug. If you do them with interesting people, in a nice situation, then you may mistake your enjoyment of the situation for the effects of the drugs.
I was watching a anti-pot documentary on YouTube the other day, Australian I think. Seriously unconvincing tripe, most of the cats that I know that smoke are normal everyday folk, and many are normal everyday hippy-folk too.
I think it is no different than alcohol, but the side effects are quite different. No one, I repeat NO ONE should smoke pot while using complicated machinery.
People react differently to the stuff, and in all honesty as with alcohol you should be mature enough to be taking the damn stuff. Funny though that I hardly see any stoners (like real stoners, not Harold and Cheech... Cheech is a pretty cool guy though) causing a ruckus. I remember seeing kids get in trouble while drinking when I was in High school at the local punk club, The Gilman. Dismal place really, but it was quite funny that the stoners were the ones that managed to make it home safe every night.
The gateway drug thing is a huge joke IMHO, Crystal meth has taken over that role quite nicely if you can even convince me in the slightest that pot is actually a means to a drug ridden end... seriously, freaking, slowed scare tactic. If someone has issues and they start to do drugs they will run into serious problems like doing stuff like heroin; but blaming pot for the entrance to this life is totally ludicrous, most kids start with alcohol, and this is no secret.
warpcrafter wrote:About weed, I divorced myself from an entire circle of friends because they got into it. I smoked it some, but really got nothing out of it. They all lost their jobs and moved back in with their parents because they lost the ability to do anything but smoke weed, sit on the floor, play endless games of solitaire and watch sitcom re-runs on TV. I have also tried to play warhammer with people who were stoned, and let me tell you, that was a massive waste of time and not in any way amusing or entertaining. Weed makes you stupid, end of story. Stoners don't have wacky adventures like they are portrayed in movies, unless you count the occasional trip to jail.
Yeah, but the people you're talking about are all heavy users. In that way pot is no different to alcohol, because if you do nothing but sit around drinking all day your life will end up in shambles. It's the focus on one recreational thing to the exclusion of everything else, and not the drug itself that's the problem.
I've known a whole lot of pot smokers, if I think back through highschool, uni, sporting teams... probably in excess of three hundred. Of all of them three, arguably four, used pot to excess. One had serious emotional problems and used a whole lot of other drugs to excess, a couple were your classic lazy ass pot heads who were lazy before they got their hands on pot, and one is the strangest person I've ever met. She's currently living on the streets, eating from the bins of supermarkets - she has money in the bank and more than a few people who'd put her up, she just wants to experience life on the streets. But in no case was pot the thing that suddenly turned them from having regular lives, the writing was already on the wall.
Now, some of the 300 pot users I mentioned above did use pot stupidly, driving after getting completely baked for example, but they were the same idiots that got really drunk and then drove.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
dogma wrote:Yeah, and he also shot himself, but he was a brilliant author. Whether or not the brilliance justifies the transgressions is another matter. Well, actually its this matter, but I don't have a particularly objective justification, so I'll leave it to you folk.
There is a long tradition of artists of all types being dope fiends and drunks. I don't know whether it's causative (being an artist makes you a dope fiend, or being a dope fiend releases the imagination and makes you artistic) or whether it is just a matter of great artists having a high public profile, or whether the traditional artistic lifestyle attracts dope fiends and drunks.
I don't smoke it now, but I was freshly baked when I had access to it for quite a while. I've seen it pull people under just like booze can. But I'd rather hang out with a Pothead than a drunk. Playing WFB baked was one of the things that got me right back into gaming But like with anything, age slows you down. Gone are the days of powering back that 11th pint to go outside and sit in someone's car for a session.
As for the Academic point of the OP, I have three degrees and I was pie-eyed like 85% of the time. It all depends on the individual, their attitude, their tolerance and the receptors in their brain.
This entire debate is easily condensed into:
Understand the difference between recreational use and harmful abuse. If you can enjoy something without habit forming, without harm to anyone else, then make your educated personal choice. If you break the law, understand the penalties and understand the risks before hand, rational if it's really worth it to feel moderate euphoria for a while.
Also...
Khornholio wrote:I have three degrees and I was pie-eyed like 85% of the time.
Agreed with MGS here. There is a huge difference between indulging in something in reason and abusing it. It sounds like the people many have described here have simply crossed that line.
Alcohol, over the counter medication and even food have damaging effects when their consumption is taken to extremes. Doesn't make these things inherently wrong though.
I myself smoked a moderate amount of dope at university. Wasn't an everyday thing but I certainly did get stoned about once a week on average. I did see people who took it to extremes and yes the effects where were fairly horrible. One ex friends of minds mood swings got so bad he once tried to attack his girl friend and she had to call the police. I never saw him again and It was just as well.
Personally though I have no regrets, I can honestly say I enjoyed smoking it, even though I'm glad I stopped when I did. I also feel I can comment on the marijuana debate with a little more knowledge.
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"And if we've learnt anything over the past 1000 mile retreat it's that Russian agriculture is in dire need of mechanisation!"
It's the people who abuse dope that give the rest of us a bad name
On a more serious note, my cousin went mad (for lack of a better description) about a year ago, something which we suspect was accelerated, if not caused, by his heavy use of the drug. Knowing that, and seeing the kind of person he's become, does not change the fact that when taken sensibly in good company, it's a very enjoyable drug.
To address the OP: in my experience, dope only screws you up if you abuse it or if you're screwed up already. People take it because they like to get high.
MeanGreenStompa wrote:This entire debate is easily condensed into:
Understand the difference between recreational use and harmful abuse. If you can enjoy something without habit forming, without harm to anyone else, then make your educated personal choice. If you break the law, understand the penalties and understand the risks before hand, rational if it's really worth it to feel moderate euphoria for a while.
Also...
Khornholio wrote:I have three degrees and I was pie-eyed like 85% of the time.
As for as drugs go, marijuana is the healthiest and safest one available of the drugs most commonly used. But just like anything in life, including Warhammer, if you abuse it you can feth yourself over except with weed you get the additional drawback that its illegal.
And for many MJ users, it actually helps in terms of focus and getting gak done.
Its only a matter of time before its legal across the USA if California and Denver are any indication. Can't wait!
MeanGreenStompa wrote:This entire debate is easily condensed into:
Understand the difference between recreational use and harmful abuse. If you can enjoy something without habit forming, without harm to anyone else, then make your educated personal choice. If you break the law, understand the penalties and understand the risks before hand, rational if it's really worth it to feel moderate euphoria for a while.
Also...
Khornholio wrote:I have three degrees and I was pie-eyed like 85% of the time.
RELEASE THEM AT ONCE!!!1!
Crippen!!!
Khornholio is in the front row of the audience!
If I don't have a tape measure in my hand, or a mitt full of dice, that song describes my intoxicated alter-ego to the last quantum irregularity.
You only served to prove my point spartan, most drug users think it's okay or justify the reasons, most people who don't use drugs think it's a bad thing to do or that it affects them.
There is no middle ground in a discussion made of two polar sides. All that matters, is taking certain drugs has consequences, both in legal terms and life terms. If you take them, far ram you, you'd better be able to accept the consequences if and when they arrive.
It doesn't matter if it's beer, wine, weed, coke, spanking hoes or breaking into houses to nick car stereos; you have to be prepared to pay the price, whatever it may be.
Alot of attitudes present in drug culture or those who are deviant towards social standards are what annoys me personally, not the act itself. If you think it's blase and okay to drink like a fish, flaunt the law, take drugs and think there's no consequences and 'alchohol is a worse drug,' then when the time comes for your life to be messed up because of your actions, it'll only mean it hurts twice as much.
This isn't directed at you personally; but the various themes of 'drugs make you feel untouchable, but infact, you're twice as brittle' present in media campaigns have never been anything other than the truth.
So you have never taken any antibiotics, painkillers or anesthetics (at hospitals)?
People who make massive generalisations without thinking are just as bad as serious drug addicts for society...
(maybe you should start a WhatWhat style sig 
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