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I don't think legalizing weed would be any sort of massive renaissance.
However, I don't see a good justification for arresting the people trying to smoke it either.
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
Orkeosaurus wrote:I don't think legalizing weed would be any sort of massive renaissance.
However, I don't see a good justification for arresting the people trying to smoke it either.
Word. The Libertarian in me says the harmful effects should be ilegal (and are). Tax it and treat it like ciggies.
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Orkeosaurus wrote:I don't think legalizing weed would be any sort of massive renaissance.
However, I don't see a good justification for arresting the people trying to smoke it either.
Word. The Libertarian in me says the harmful effects should be ilegal (and are). Tax it and treat it like ciggies.
Yep, dunno about the US cops but the guys I know in the force are fed up of the shifting laws here and just want it decriminalised totally or better still legalised and taxed. Considering the problems we have on the streets with alcohol fuelled violence every Friday and Saturday night and the time involved for the police, ambulance and hospitals, they are really looking forward to everyone just going round to each others houses, smoking pot, eating KFC and chocolate and watching scary movie whilst giggling. I am amazed at the number of people I know on a daily basis who, it then turns out, smoke pot.
Legalise, tax and use the tax for policing, health care and social care.
It's been used as early as 7,000 B.C. Hemp creates a multitude of products other than the euphoric drug it is infamously known for today.
The hemp plant was first regulated and then outright banned in America thanks to racists and cotton lobbyists back in the early 1900s.
If weed was legalized, it would open a massive market, filled to the brim with new jobs for the American people.
Seriously, think of all the jobs it would create.
The farmers and hired hands.
Massive refineries.
Dispensaries for the drug.
Clothing stores would carry hemp products.
These would be all over the nation. And it would make a huge boost to other existing markets as well for example; 7/11 and White Castle would explode with business.
Hemp used as the euphoric drug would be taxed at said dispensaries as well as a special state-issued license to carry and distribute the drug would be necessary (Make it illegal to own more than 1 pot plant per household.) With dispensaries out and about, this reduces crime as drug lords get their money supply essentially cut off. The only problem I foresee is the first few years dispensaries get knocked off or become targets of criminals in some of the worse-off neighborhoods. The tax money provided by these dispensaries would allow the state to hire more police officers to protect the streets.
The states and banks make money, new jobs and a new market are created, people can once again sleep easy at night knowing they aren't going to get shot, so everybody wins.
Wow I think like Frazz said(LOL Frazz) you were high when you typed all that. That's a nice eutopian/shangrila vision you have there. It really worked well for the most popular drug out there called Alcohol. Also since there is such a backlash against tobacco use right now, it would really help our health care system out a lot to have millions of new pot heads to take care of....NOT.
Marijuana is already America's leading cash crop so it'd literally add much needed billions to our failing economy. As for the health drawbacks, marijuana isn't smoked at the quantity found in fags nor does it have to be consumed by smoking - you can always vaporize or eat marijuana after all.
And the biggest bonus? More prison space for real criminals and the millions/billions that the black market makes off of MJ would nearly be eliminated.
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Orkeosaurus wrote:I don't think legalizing weed would be any sort of massive renaissance.
However, I don't see a good justification for arresting the people trying to smoke it either.
Word. The Libertarian in me says the harmful effects should be ilegal (and are). Tax it and treat it like ciggies.
Indeed. Two pics to summarize the clarity of such actions, like fish in a barrel some of these problems are.
Yes, you hit the nail with the hammer... just hit it goddamit!!!
You know the saying way to cool to be true? This is way too awesome and effective to be false... we will have these someday, not the magical kind though, the kind that everyone has so that no one can actually be as awesome as a Jedi. Yoda wins this time!!!
The thing is, it's against the law. Now I understand that not all laws are truly beneficial, but not smoking weed doesn't hurt anyone. It's the law so you should follow it.
That's just what I think.
What happens when a law causes more harm than it remedies? The amount of money being spent to jail "pot criminals" is absolutely ludicrous. Why is it important to jail some person who likes their life choices?
That is basically what the drug war is about, but it becomes a bigger problem with something as benign as marijuana. I am neither for or against the legalization of all drugs (I would need a lot more information) but pot is a no-brainer.
IMHO jail is a place for real criminals, not petty drug users. Perhaps there could be alternate options (which there are...) used to take care of this issue, but the amount of taxes and general economic booster pack (like the tiny health packs in games... not the big ones ) that would provide a natural stimulus (not artificial) and an outlet for some of this countries unemployed, at least ten thousand jobs can be created within the first year. More than that may stretch the limits of the industry.
I think that it is more important to legalize Hemp, and this has to do with self reliance that has been so willfully touted throughout the health care debate. Even if this change only manages to provide direct access for a few small companies, it will provide a viable alternative to synthetics in the market.
Cotton is super-outdated stuff, but I still prefer Hemp fibers to Synthetic. The feel is very important to me; the texture rather.
After a few seconds of thought I know that there would not be all that much change to the economy overall, but it would provide a way for people to be more independent in the U.S.
Agreed. The laws for marijuana are far to strict for such a benign drug. We learned about it in class and I forgot the exact number but for just a few grams you can get a couple years in federal prison. It is ridiculous.
I find it some what funny that during the founding and formation of the U.S,it was comman practice for each farmer to grow a certian amount of marijauna to help the economy, and that,alegedly,a large portion of the "founding fathers" smoked weed.
Also,it wasn't until the 1930 (IIRC) that laws were passed making marijauna illegal,in Jello Biafras speach before a gathering of NORMAL supporters,he speculates that Dupont chemichels,who at the time had just developed a new paper pulp processing treatment,wich would yield the company millions,had a hand in getting marijuana laws passed ,as they didn't want any competition from hemp production.
Other speculations are made,including certian political parties needing a "bugaboo" to scare voters into supporting them,with promises that they (the politicians) would "protect Americas youth" from marijauna,a few years later "Reffer Madness" was released.
Of course today none of this particurly matters,marijauna is against the law...not that that law has been all that efective in curving it's useage.
I for one havn't used weed in several years,but have no problem with those who do,so long as they don't decend into the "idiot stoner" realm,I belive also that marijauna should be legalized and the revenue generated by it's growth and sales used for various needed programs.
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Frazzled wrote:****No there wouldn’t be. Even you’re right, we don’t make anything anymore anyway. Same Southeast Asian wage slaves would make it.
The US is actually very competitive when it comes to the manufacture of cash crops. While wages are higher than elsewhere, productivity is much higher than in Asia. Right now the US produces about 400 thousand tonnes of tobacco a year. If you legalised dope you could manufacture a substantial dope industry.
I agree with you that hemp probably isn't the wonder textile so many potheads claim it is, but it will have a place if weed was legalised... turning waste into secondary products is a big deal. But your efforts to say 'nuh uh, nope, there's no possible economic benefit from a legal weed industry' is just wrong.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
The problem with legalizing weed is that it really will not create this massive amount of revenue that the politicians here in CA are telling us. I'm all for legalization, but I honestly don't think it will happen because nobody will make any money from it.
Think about it, you couldn't just grow your own tobacco plants, harvest, dry, and smoke it. It's a ridiculous amount of work.
Same goes for brewing your own beer, I know people who do it, but it's a pain in the ass.
Pot on the other hand is pretty simple to grow. Get a momma and a poppa plant, wait for your buds, hang em up and stick em in the freezer. If pot were legalized, the market would be flooded with it. Hell, I don't even smoke and I'd grow it just because. Granted, the market would be filled to the brim with bunk weed, but it would be about the same as it is now, brown weed is alot cheaper than green, which is cheaper than purple or orange.
The thing is, there'd be no way to tax it, because there'd be no realistic way of regulating it. It's like trying to stop free music downloads. And since they can't viably tax it, they can't make money. Say what you want about liscences, and "authorized" dispensiaries, but unless every cop is going to stop every smoker and ask them for proof of purchase, they simply can't control it.
The only difference we'd see by pot being legalized is that the true criminals like the gangs and cartels would lose all of their influence to a free market saturated by internet taught botanists, and mom and pop growers.
And that is why they won't do it, the government makes more money by keeping it illegal by allocating and throwing more and more money each year into police departments and a beurocracy. That and it's a nice black and white issue for politicians to get behind and drum up votes.
If weed were legalized it's my opinion that it would quickly become a non-issue, and that is the biggest reason it never will. (/rant)
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Veteran Sergeant wrote:Oh wait. His fluff, at this point, has him coming to blows with Lionel, Angryon, Magnus, and The Emprah. One can only assume he went into the Eye of Terror because he still hadn't had a chance to punch enough Primarchs yet.
Albatross wrote:I guess we'll never know. That is, until Frazzled releases his long-awaited solo album 'Touch My Weiner'. Then we'll know.
warboss wrote:I marvel at their ability to shoot the entire foot off with a shotgun instead of pistol shooting individual toes off like most businesses would.
Mr Nobody wrote:Going to war naked always seems like a good idea until someone trips on gravel.
Ghidorah wrote: You need to quit hating and trying to control other haters hating on other people's hobbies that they are trying to control.
ShumaGorath wrote:Posting in a thread where fat nerds who play with toys make fun of fat nerds who wear costumes outdoors.
Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Good thing it wasn't attacked by the EC, or it would be the assault on Magnir's Crack.
It just couldn't be taxed a billion zillion percent, like some idiots think. There's always going to be economies of scale on the side of official sellers, so from then it just comes down to how much the tax is offsetting that.
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
True, some people would still go to dispensaries. Laziness would eventually set in, and people would just hit the drive thru for a dime sack (an exaggeration.) But I still think it would be incredibly lopsided in favor of home-growers.
Veteran Sergeant wrote:Oh wait. His fluff, at this point, has him coming to blows with Lionel, Angryon, Magnus, and The Emprah. One can only assume he went into the Eye of Terror because he still hadn't had a chance to punch enough Primarchs yet.
Albatross wrote:I guess we'll never know. That is, until Frazzled releases his long-awaited solo album 'Touch My Weiner'. Then we'll know.
warboss wrote:I marvel at their ability to shoot the entire foot off with a shotgun instead of pistol shooting individual toes off like most businesses would.
Mr Nobody wrote:Going to war naked always seems like a good idea until someone trips on gravel.
Ghidorah wrote: You need to quit hating and trying to control other haters hating on other people's hobbies that they are trying to control.
ShumaGorath wrote:Posting in a thread where fat nerds who play with toys make fun of fat nerds who wear costumes outdoors.
Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Good thing it wasn't attacked by the EC, or it would be the assault on Magnir's Crack.
People can brew their own beer right now but few do. There is a big difference between the kind of people who will buy the right lights and fertilisers for their plants and the type of people who figure they might as well smoke something before heading into town for the night.
Sure, lots of people will grow their own weed, but I doubt it will represent the majority of the market, because at the end of the day the cheapest and easiest way to get something is to drop by the local store and buy the product supplied by some mega-corp.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
whatwhat wrote:Weed is overated. Makes for bad sex and weight gain. End of.
Hmmm, not quite the conclusion I came to (about either).
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whatwhat wrote:Weed is overated. Makes for bad sex and weight gain. End of.
Imo alcohol and fags are just as bad if not worse in this area; just saying. Well, cigs don't really affect sex but for many MJ users it amplifies the senses and takes sex to another level.
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R3con wrote:All I know is that if I smoke during a 40k game I usually end up losing my mind=)
Fixed that for you.
Yes your opponents can hear you muttering your master plan about how you are going to totally pwn them... totally pwn... Anyone feel like prawns? I don't really feel like a crustacean right now... interesting.
whatwhat wrote:Weed is overated. Makes for bad sex and weight gain. End of.
Imo alcohol and fags are just as bad if not worse in this area; just saying. Well, cigs don't really affect sex but for many MJ users it amplifies the senses and takes sex to another level.
lmao yeh that great aphrodisiac marijuana, that look of complete absence on your face must make her go wild.
whatwhat wrote:
lmao yeh that great aphrodisiac marijuana, that look of complete absence on your face must make her go wild.
As opposed to having vomit dripping down your chin? Any intoxicant produces problem in the course of physical activity when you use too much of it. Saying weed ruins sex, while other drugs enhance it is just utter stupidity; especially given the subjective nature of the experience.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
) that would provide a natural stimulus (not artificial) and an outlet for some of this countries unemployed, at least ten thousand jobs can be created within the first year. More than that may stretch the limits of the industry.
Well, cigs don't really affect sex but for many MJ users it amplifies the senses and takes sex to another level.
