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Not sure where to post this, but as a warning.

DO NOT DO ANY TRADES with user DISPATCH

I had a pending trade with Dispatch, where he was adamant about wanting to ship simultaneously.
But since I have over 1,000 reference scores over multiple websites, I had the right to request him to ship first or the deal was off.
He tells me that he wasn't happy with my terms, but since he shipped the stuff already that we can proceed with the trade under my terms.

2 weeks past, still no product from him. I PM him and he gives me all sorts of excuses as to why I have not gotten the stuff from him.

Then I find this from the Rogue Market website, they have a Bad Trader Forum specifically for this 'Dispatch' person.

http://www.rogue-market.com/forums/f4/dispatch-4940.html

If this is the wrong location for this Post. Mods please move to the appropriate forum.

Here is Dispatch info:

Edit: Personal information removed. Contact this user privately for this information if you'd like it. --yakface

looks like you found him over at bartertown too (same name, from canada). i was double checking there since the name sounded familiar. i'd send the mods there a PM to just keep an eye out for shennanigans with him. either way, thanks for the warnings and keep calling his house. from the sound of it, he's might be a teenager who thinks he's struck a gold mine with total strangers sending him figures for nothing.

He may be using the acct named Abwher. Rogue Market traced that IP to be the same as Dispatch's and the email address that was registered was almost identical.

I was working out a trade with him about a month ago and got a bad feeling so I let it drop. Good thing I did apparently. Let us know how it goes.

Glad I didn't finalize a trade with Dispatch a few weeks back.

What is the right place to post bad traders? I've been waiting for figures from a guy(Goby) in these forums for 2 weeks now, and at this point he is not even responding to PM's. I know he got my figures over a week ago.

I am fine. I never shipped out anything to this guy.

Thou, did have a pending trade. Luckily having a 1,000+ reference score, I had the right to request this guy to ship first.

I wanted to post this as a warning to anyone who is in a pending trade or planning to trade with this guy.


Trading references/scores work folks. Use them, leave references after a good trade.

J

I almost had a trade with him, but if I recall he wanted too much of my stuff for way too little money. Thanks for the warning!

Here is information on 'Dispatch' gathered on Rogue Market:

H Ben
8453 148 A Street
Surrey, BC, V3S 7K5
Canada

Ben-Jaafar L
604-599-0377
8453 148A St
Surrey, BC V3S 7K5

paypal email was hbenjaafar@live.ca


Rogue Market has found out that this guy has posted trades under a new screen name of abwher.

He's also trading on Bartertown as well under both names. If I'm not mistaken the admins there have been notified also.

I'm afraid that all trades on Dakka are at the traders own risk, and that there is no permanent place for users to place bad references. This ultimately because:-

1) All trading on Dakka is Caveat Emptor
2) A trade may often have two sides to the story, and sifting through facts is not the job of the mods here.
3) We have no way of verifying whether a user is truly scamming another, or whether some sort of mishap could have taken place in transit, and tainting a user for the rest of their time on Dakka because of what could be a screw-up is not considered acceptable.
4) Innocent until proven guilty, and unfortunately, there is no way of proving guilty for definite over the internet from our perspective(at least, not without considerable modpower, and as already stated, that is not our job)

As such, whilst good references are acceptable, bad references are not.

How to avoid being scammed? Well, if you wanted to be relatively certain of a successful transaction, trading only with people with a number of good references would be the best option. Ultimately however, it is at your own risk.

Placing the mod hat to one side for a moment however, I'm very sorry to hear this joshuafalcon, as you are one of the more active members in SwapShop, and I would hate for that to be ruined for you because of one bad experience.

Guess I'll stick to trading on BT and RM

Ketara wrote:I'm afraid that all trades on Dakka are at the traders own risk, and that there is no permanent place for users to place bad references. This ultimately because:-

1) All trading on Dakka is Ad Caveat
2) A trade may often have two sides to the story, and sifting through facts is not the job of the mods here.
3) We have no way of verifying whether a user is truly scamming another, or whether some sort of mishap could have taken place in transit, and tainting a user for the rest of their time on Dakka because of what could be a screw-up is not considered acceptable.
4) Innocent until proven guilty, and unfortunately, there is no way of proving guilty for definite over the internet from our perspective(at least, not without considerable modpower, and as already stated, that is not our job)

As such, whilst good references are acceptable, bad references are not.

How to avoid being scammed? Well, if you wanted to be relatively certain of a successful transaction, trading only with people with a number of good references would be the best option. Ultimately however, it is at your own risk.

Placing the mod hat to one side for a moment however, I'm very sorry to hear this joshuafalcon, as you are one of the more active members in SwapShop, and I would hate for that to be ruined for you because of one bad experience.

If good traders warrant a thread for their positive deeds
then bad traders need to be spotted as well.

I understand the innocent till proven guilty part , but its going to encourage scammers.

Yes there are 2 sides to a story , but if a agreed trade product doesnt show up , the other side better have prepared their reasons , its
their duty and their responsibility.

Dakka Dakka is not a trading site, and it never will be. If you want 100% security on your trade, then we recommend you go to Bartertown. The Swapshop is nothing more than a convenience and a service, and will always be taken at the owners own risk. Once we start with negative feedback threads, Dakka takes a step away from it's casual roots, and people may start to think that Dakka is liable for lost goods, or has a responsibility to attempt to recover them.

That is the official stance I'm afraid Lunahound. If you wish to change it, you'll have to go over the heads of us lowly SwapMods to the Godmods.

2 sides indeed... Fact #1 Joshua-donkey-cave-whatever hsi name is, DID NOT LOSE out on anything. #2 He pulls a point on another site that was rectified. People do not realise sometimes it takes time to pass customs and call CHEATER< SCAMMER< THEIF, within days, not weeks. I have a bad name, and innocent until proven guily or not, a bad name follows you, even if its not 100% warrented. But back to this trade, we agreed he woudl only ship after i shipped and he received. well gak happens, but he did not loose out, or get cheated. In fact he is jsut making a big rukkus over nothing, and honestly shame on you all who "Was gonna trade with him but....." Very easy to jump on a band wagon. Unless i have actually wronged someone, they have no buisness slandering someone. Take what you will, but all in all Josh is just vying for attention. You posted my telephone number and adress... not the end of the world. If i REALLY wanted to scam someone, i woudl not give out personal and accurate information woudl i. Dumb ass

http://www.rogue-market.com/forums/f4/dispatch-4940.html

Dispatch wrote:2 sides indeed... Fact #1 Joshua-donkey-cave-whatever hsi name is, DID NOT LOSE out on anything. #2 He pulls a point on another site that was rectified. People do not realise sometimes it takes time to pass customs and call CHEATER< SCAMMER< THEIF, within days, not weeks. I have a bad name, and innocent until proven guily or not, a bad name follows you, even if its not 100% warrented. But back to this trade, we agreed he woudl only ship after i shipped and he received. well gak happens, but he did not loose out, or get cheated. In fact he is jsut making a big rukkus over nothing, and honestly shame on you all who "Was gonna trade with him but....." Very easy to jump on a band wagon. Unless i have actually wronged someone, they have no buisness slandering someone. Take what you will, but all in all Josh is just vying for attention. You posted my telephone number and adress... not the end of the world. If i REALLY wanted to scam someone, i woudl not give out personal and accurate information woudl i. Dumb ass

Getting defensive! Great way to counter his charges. Really makes you look legit.... Insulting him too!

It should be hard to trust you because you're quick to respond with an aggressive wall of text that holds no legitimate argument. Your information could be a friends, neighbors, who knows. You have a deal with them to give you packages that they get regarding Warhammer.

The major fault is that you insult this man and get defensive when he has stated a legitimate argument and proof that you are not a reputable person, and you have nothing. If you wrong someone or aren't a good trader, word will get out. Seems like you have done on or are the other. I hope you can come up with some proof that you are a reputable person but if not...

Thread temporarily locked whilst I discuss the issue with Yakface.

Thread re-opened to allow continuation of debate. If any other users have any relevant info on Dispatch, or have any trades with with him currently occurring, feel free to contribute.

Dispatch wrote:2 sides indeed... Fact #1 Joshua-donkey-cave-whatever hsi name is, DID NOT LOSE out on anything. #2 He pulls a point on another site that was rectified. People do not realise sometimes it takes time to pass customs and call CHEATER< SCAMMER< THEIF, within days, not weeks. I have a bad name, and innocent until proven guily or not, a bad name follows you, even if its not 100% warrented. But back to this trade, we agreed he woudl only ship after i shipped and he received. well gak happens, but he did not loose out, or get cheated. In fact he is jsut making a big rukkus over nothing, and honestly shame on you all who "Was gonna trade with him but....." Very easy to jump on a band wagon. Unless i have actually wronged someone, they have no buisness slandering someone. Take what you will, but all in all Josh is just vying for attention. You posted my telephone number and adress... not the end of the world. If i REALLY wanted to scam someone, i woudl not give out personal and accurate information woudl i. Dumb ass

I think Dakka and trade members would love to hear your side of the story ( in detail )

I understand you might be mad , but so far your paragraph have more name calling then explaining , thus im not too sure ....

Please just explain in complete detail to what happend.

#1 Joshua-donkey-cave-whatever hsi name is, DID NOT LOSE out on anything.

As the agreement i understood , the deal was you sent first , and he sent after . Not sending it at all is still not the part of the agreement
despite he didnt lose anything but his time + his potential to have traded with others.

#2 He pulls a point on another site that was rectified. People do not realise sometimes it takes time to pass customs and call CHEATER< SCAMMER< THEIF, within days, not weeks.

Maybe you can show us the thread where you were accused , and resolved.

In fact he is jsut making a big rukkus over nothing

We can very well see the immaturity of this , an agreement is an agreement even if nothing physical is harmed. Or in this case , nothing was scammed.

Take what you will, but all in all Josh is just vying for attention.

I think we would rather hear your side of story , i dont knwo what vying for attention means , but hope you reply soon.

I agree with Luna. I would love to hear your side of the story, considering I sent $250+ worth of necrons to you more than 2 weeks ago and have seen nothing of the relevant amount of skaven you were to send my way. I dont get it... whats so hard about being honest? If you indeed are lowlife model stealer, one day you are going to piss someone off enough that they are going to show up at your house and 's going to go down. Heck, you might have already done it by the looks of people that are mad at you. Anyways, show your face and tell us your story.

Caboose wrote:I agree with Luna. I would love to hear your side of the story, considering I sent $250+ worth of necrons to you more than 2 weeks ago and have seen nothing of the relevant amount of skaven you were to send my way. I dont get it... whats so hard about being honest? If you indeed are lowlife model stealer, one day you are going to piss someone off enough that they are going to show up at your house and 's going to go down. Heck, you might have already done it by the looks of people that are mad at you. Anyways, show your face and tell us your story.

Out of curiosity... Did he tell you all the Skaven he was going to send you? And have you recieved any, some, or all of what he said (if he gave you a list)

From what everyone is saying about Dispatch it sounds like it isnt the best idea to trade with him, however as stated before it would be rather helpful if you stated your side of the story other than throwing insults around. Hopefully you arent a scammer and its the fools who mail things from point A to point B are rather slow... Again, hearing your side of the story would be helpful though!

He is on Heresy Online as well as Abwher just a heads up.

SwapMod On.

Alright, people are starting to get a bit uncivil in this thread. There is to be no name-calling here.

@Dispatch - you're REALLY not helping out your case by throwing out insults in your defense. Reading through his thread, he posted only information regarding the deal and his concerns with the trade. YOU were the first to start mud-slinging. Consider yourself on thin-ice here.

@Butterthepug - please refrain from accusing Dispatch of being a scammer and thief, as well as the off-handed insults toward him.

I am currently in trade with Dispatch aka Abwher aka Ben Jafaar, etc.

I sent him a paypal payment for Imperial Guard models and bits he had listed on Rogue-Market, after extensive PM discussion and eventual phone conversation.

I am new to the world of trading... and after talking to him on the phone he seemed like a nice guy so I went ahead with the payment. I sent payment via paypal for the models and bits discussed, exactly as he requested me to do.

He informed me that it would take 2 weeks to get here and I agreed. This was on 9/3/09, he said he might not ship it that day because of labor day weekend but would ship it soon after that.

I let a week go by before trying to get a hold of him. Each time I called the number he gave me his father would answer and took a message for me. He has never called me back.

The only contact I have received back was via PMs on Rogue-Market. Each of these times I responded with give me a number I can reach you at. The one time he gave me a number it turned out to be a "This number is no longer in service." He explained this off as that this was his old cell phone number and he made a mistake. Ok, honest mistake, so why did you not then give me your working cell phone number?

Regardless it is now 9/27/09 and the last contact I had was him asking me for my address on 9/25/09. After giving him my address he responded with a Canadian tracking number to use to track his supposed side of the trade. The tracking number appears to be valid, but Dispatch still has yet to respond back to any of my emails asking to talk to him. All in all, my dealings with him have been less than remotely adequate and very frustrating.

Mods - I haven't posted details of the conversations / pms / emails because I for one don't know about legality of posting private conversations. I can provide any and all to mods at their request for verification. I just don't like airing out private conversations to general public. If anyone would like verification I can send via PM etc.

Dispatch - If you read this, I really hope you did ship me what our deal was for. I would really like for this to be a big misunderstanding and you just made some mistakes and are doing everything to rectify the situation. If so please email me again, jdodson@tamu.edu, with your cell number or a number I can reach you at. This has gone on long enough without talking. It was easy enough to get you on the phone when we were setting up the trade, now it is like pulling teeth.

Members of Dakka-Dakka, I would warn you not to trade w/ Dispatch until the current problems are rectified. If he makes atones, I would say give him a chance but only if he ships first.

Sincerely,
TAMUGeo

Dispatch - just simply fix ALL your trades with ALL the users you have dealt with on Roguemarket , Bartertown, Heresy Online, and Dakka.

Jfalc was merely pointing out that there is a potential high time scamming - on multiple venues = will put a dent into the wargaming community as a whole, and to all those sites you have been a member of.

Going public was something that had to come if you were going evasive mode with tons of people's items - and it has seem that it has caused you to.. finally respond.




No one in this wargaming community is out there to stab your name intentionally without cause or reason.

Intead of focusing on jFalcon, I kindly ask you to attend to all those whom you have traded with here, and with various sites.

My bad, I wasnt trying to insult or call him a thief... was trying to say from what everyone is saying, that that is what it looks like, and I would hope that he is not, so hearing his story would help... Ill edit the post... again, my apologies.

Dispatch not only do we need to hear your side of story ,
with this many people claiming to not receive your items ,
you should send them the tracking number yes?

well seeing as Tamugeo made his first post here on Dakka about this... I think its definitive proof on the calibre of this guy.

Hey Guys and Gals, I am not a mod here, but here are some facts to cover your butts in online and postal related deals.

Call the police in THEIR hometown. Simple enough. Tell them your issue[s]. They may even offer to call them for you and ask where your money or stuff is. If something is up, the Police may solve it for you with a simple visit or call from them.

Disconnected numbers are great tricks of people who deal in shady deals. So are false names and addresses. A favorite I see constantly is people having you send things to their families addresses and not their own.

If you feel your money is gone and have had no replies form the seller for way too long, report them to Paypal. Paypal is great at taking money away from sellers with no questions asked. I know, I have seen it done, had it done to me [in a scam] and have done it to other people legitimately when they refused shipments by refusing to reply or contact me.

Get the Postal Inspectors involved.

If you were supposed to have something mailed to you and you mailed something already and waited MONTHS, go to the Postal Inspectors. It's called: 'Mail Fraud' for a reason folks.

As for the legality of posting 'personal information' on websites, DO IT. Warn everyone you can about possible issues with other traders. It's not illegal to post their email, phone numbers, addresses or full names whatsoever if you are informing people of possible bad deeds. It is illegal to steal money and miniatures from folks online.

Most army trades and sales are worth HUNDREDS of dollars and in the US, that is a felony crime called Theft.

I have run into similar dealings with a gentleman who posted on Bartertown.

He used his father's name, address and phone number to convince me he was legit.

I found out I had been burned for over 100 dollars he was supposed to pay me for Rogue Trader era models. I called his family and EVERY single person in the area he lived in with a similar name, and raised hell until I found him. He worked at a game store close to where he lived and was even the manager!

I told his boss what had happened, even let him know the guy told me 'oh you can trust me, i work at a respectable game store' and that he begged me not to tell anyone what had happened [this did happen].

I called the Police, filed charges, talked to several members of his family, called him at work 12 times, talked to his boss and then posted for 1000's of people to see what he had done.

I was never in the wrong in dealing with him.

PLEASE don't be afraid to call BS on someone in a questionable trade. Don't be afraid to threaten people with Police involvement if you feel you have been ripped off. Jump up and down, scream, yell, threaten, tell these bullies you won't stand for it.

But please remember, name-calling does nothing but make you look ignorant. Threats make you look guilty when responding to accusations and upsetting site mods always results in something bad.

If any of you have the feeling you have been done wrong in a trade, do something. Don't panic that they will 'get you back', don't buy into excuses after this long waiting, call the police, speak out, get someone's attention.

Yes things happen. Sometimes things cannot get shipped next day. Packages get returned to sender. Happened to me a couple dayas ago, twice! SORRY GUYS!

So what I am trying to say, just don't accept that someone wants to come along and steal your toys form you or your money. Say no through action and make them accountable for what they do to you. In a more extreme case, it's like being violently assaulted. They take control away from you, they take things from you, they leave you there upset and confused and feeling like YOU are the bad guy.

My advice. Get your stuff/Money back now.

Lictor...

It's actually sad that he isn't repling. Sorry for all the people he has ripped off.