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I'm not looking to debate the issue, I'm just asking if anyone knows what year of highschool, do kids start learning about cosmology and the different theories of the origin of the universe?

Also is this something taught to only "advanced" students or to any student?

Thanks,

GG

My highschool didn't teach any of that. But, that's because I live in south Georgia. Fortunately, I studied that on my own.

Basic concept: 8th grade astronomy.
Small amount of the math: 10th grade physics.

OverbossGhurzubMoga wrote:My highschool didn't teach any of that. But, that's because I live in south Georgia. Fortunately, I studied that on my own.

Why don't they teach it in South Georgia? I went to a private religious school and I was taught the basics of physical cosmology. I don't think it is a religious issue if that is what they're thinking.

I was taught in O level Physics, which is between 13 and 16 in the UK (or used to be.)

It was only a bit of basic stuff about general relativity and so on.

Most of O level and A level Physics is concerned with more concrete science; electricity, harmonics, wavicle theory, radioactivity and so on. Things you can actually do in the lab.

OverbossGhurzubMoga wrote:My highschool didn't teach any of that. But, that's because I live in south Georgia. Fortunately, I studied that on my own.

To be honest, I don't remember being taught this in highschool either. I went to highschool in central Florida.

GG

Never! Christian school. I've had to do lots of extracurricular studying

Kilkrazy wrote:I was taught in O level Physics, which is between 13 and 16 in the UK (or used to be.)

It was only a bit of basic stuff about general relativity and so on.

Most of O level and A level Physics is concerned with more concrete science; electricity, harmonics, wavicle theory, radioactivity and so on. Things you can actually do in the lab.

As far as I know, we didn't use 0 level and A levels un the U.S. Can you elaborate?

Also I assume that physics aren't taught to evryone, only the advanced students?

thanks,

GG

We just learned what centimeters were, for the fiftieth fething time.

THERE ARE 100 CENTIMETERS IN A METER? NO gak! PLEASE SPEND THE FIRST MONTH OF EVERY SEMESTER EXPLAINING THIS FACT.

Grignard wrote:

OverbossGhurzubMoga wrote:My highschool didn't teach any of that. But, that's because I live in south Georgia. Fortunately, I studied that on my own.

Why don't they teach it in South Georgia? I went to a private religious school and I was taught the basics of physical cosmology. I don't think it is a religious issue if that is what they're thinking.

Well, I can count on one hand the number of teachers that were actually worth their salt. When it boils down to it, my hometown is a very small rural town with lots of bigotry, "God-complexes", religious hate, and low income families. The school, if I may be so bold as to call it that, was barely funded enough to keep the lights on, so to speak. I mean, everyone in the school system was worried when the accrediation process came around. Many thought we would lose accrediation and be screwed.

Simply put, the teachers didn't give a rat's ass what we learned, as long as they kept their jobs and got paid. I was fortunate enough to have a few teachers that actually cared enough to help their students.

Those are my reasons for why I think they didn't teach it.

Or, I was asleep in class when they went over it. One of the two.

generalgrog wrote:
Also I assume that physics aren't taught to evryone, only the advanced students?

That's been my experience. In my district it was an elective. Though it didn't have any requirement, most people avoided it if they didn't want to take on a challenge.


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OverbossGhurzubMoga wrote:
Those are my reasons for why I think they didn't teach it.

What usually stops any given school from teaching a given subject is the lack of a qualified teacher. Generally, you need more than a basic education degree in order to teach something technical like physics, calculus, chemistry, etc.

generalgrog wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:I was taught in O level Physics, which is between 13 and 16 in the UK (or used to be.)

It was only a bit of basic stuff about general relativity and so on.

Most of O level and A level Physics is concerned with more concrete science; electricity, harmonics, wavicle theory, radioactivity and so on. Things you can actually do in the lab.

As far as I know, we didn't use 0 level and A levels un the U.S. Can you elaborate?

Also I assume that physics aren't taught to evryone, only the advanced students?

thanks,

GG

O levels are the exams UK pupils used to take at 15 or 16 years. A levels are the 17/18-year-old exams, equivalent to US end of first year of university exams.

Basic science (Physics/Chemistry/Biology) used to be taught to everyone in the UK at O level, except for more or less remedial students. It may have changed now. I was at school 30+ years ago.

When I was in high school many moons ago, physics and calculus were advanced classes and electives. I took these.

Everyone had to take chemistry, biology, and select 2 out of four other science classes (biology 2, earth science, and a few others) for a total of 4. You also had to take math through algebra 2. Since I had algebra in middle school, I took Geometry, Algebra 2, Advanced Math, and Calculus in high school. I also took Biology 2.


To the original poster, we studied the cosmos in middle school. I think 7th grade.

I was taught it last year (first year of GCSEs (the lower part of the, I think, cumpusory science examination thing in the UK taken when you're about 15))

Not in much detail though, and its irritating the way they even give the slightest mention to the **** creationist views without putting them in their place...

*starts ranting and raving*

You take your first science exam in the UK, at the end of Year ten, straight after the mocks.

There are two science GCSE's, one you can get at the end of Year 10, the other exam you take with all the other exams at the end of Year 11.

I never learned it in high school... went to school in northern New Jersey. We learned a bit about evolution in biology though, but nothing about the origins of the universe.

I nver been in a class that tought it.
but then again my fancy is biological science.

There is a big movement in education to make sure everyone experiences physics. It is called physics first.

The study of astronomy should actually be starting, according to the national science standards... as soon as they can make an observation....
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=4962

It turns out they should be exposed during kindergarten.... which is not always the case.

As far as the big bang... our students construct the model of the big bang themselves during astronomy by studying the background radiation left over, as well as dopplershift observations of galaxies. From this data they build a big explosion model.

However... Steven Hawkings has come up with model that has not been disproven yet to be more accurate than the big bang... and also eliminates this need for a "creation" event... or Big Bang.

This is taught to any student possible but typically only advanced students choose to take the classes it is touched upon.

My highschool had a beginners course to physics that was combined with chemistry as well for sophomores; called integrated physics and chemistry (IPC).

As for learning about the big bang theory I'm having trouble recalling when that happened but I want to say it was in elementary school but it wasn't some in-depth theory discussion; more like the teacher briefly hit upon it and constructed basic models of plants orbiting the sun, etc.

Cane wrote:My highschool had a beginners course to physics that was combined with chemistry as well for sophomores; called integrated physics and chemistry (IPC).

As for learning about the big bang theory I'm having trouble recalling when that happened but I want to say it was in elementary school but it wasn't some in-depth theory discussion; more like the teacher briefly hit upon it and constructed basic models of plants orbiting the sun, etc.

hehe plants orbit in the sun : )

.... btw... what did they teach you about the earths orbit around the sun? Is A or B more correct? (ignore the size of the sun vs size of Earth)

A


B

Pretty much sums it up:

frgsinwntr wrote:Is A or B more correct? (ignore the size of the sun vs size of Earth)

A


B

Aren't they both correct?

Orkeosaurus wrote:

frgsinwntr wrote:Is A or B more correct? (ignore the size of the sun vs size of Earth)

A


B

Aren't they both correct?

It is a trick question, because the scales are FUBAR.

The top one is actually more correct, because Most Holy Terras orbit is in no way whatsoever circular like that, it is, in fact, more oval shaped, though not to the degree in the first picture.

In any case, these pictures are exagerated to show two very different aspects of Holy Terras Orbit. One showcases the Most Holy Seasons, while the other shows the Most Holy Orbital fluctuation

Ah, I see.

I was thrown off by thinking of the most holy second chart of the Adeptus Astrologicus as only trying to display the changing of the most holy seasons, and not thinking of it in terms of displaying the most holy orbit of the seat of the Imperium's might (which is elliptical, by His will).

And yeah, Sol and Holy Terra (and Luna) would be far smaller, in both instances (with Holy Terra having about 1% of Sol's diameter, I think).

youngblood wrote:Never! Christian school. I've had to do lots of extracurricular studying

What does it being a Christian school have to do with it? I was in Catholic school my entire school career up until College and we learned it.

Of course, we were being taught be Jesuits.

The hell is cosmology? I learned totally cool and not nerdy stuff like the Krebs Cycle or proton pumps in HS.

Platuan4th wrote:What does it being a Christian school have to do with it? I was in Catholic school my entire school career up until College and we learned it.

I went to a Catholic School here in Ireland (not by Choice, it was that or the Community College a.k.a Place where kids are locked up till they turn 15 and go work in the mines) and I can assure you, I have learnt more from Wikipedia than I learnt at that school.

YMMV ofc


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avantgarde wrote:The hell is cosmology? I learned totally cool and not nerdy stuff like the Krebs Cycle or proton pumps in HS.

OMG you lrnt about t3h Krebs Cycle too? That was so awsomes!

I don't think I was ever taught about the big bang. Mind you I didn't do any science after year 10, because in years 11 and 12 you choose your own subjects and you only get to pick 4, and I wanted to do economics and history and that kind of stuff so there wasn't room for any science.

I'd be surprised if they taught it though. I'll ask some folk that I know did science in upper school.

Gwar! wrote:I went to a Catholic School here in Ireland (not by Choice, it was that or the Community College a.k.a Place where kids are locked up till they turn 15 and go work in the mines) and I can assure you, I have learnt more from Wikipedia than I learnt at that school.

Jesus, I remember some of the people from my science class.

"There's bacteria in the air?! That is so trifling!*"

*Yes, that was the word they used.

Platuan4th wrote:

youngblood wrote:Never! Christian school. I've had to do lots of extracurricular studying

What does it being a Christian school have to do with it? I was in Catholic school my entire school career up until College and we learned it.

Of course, we were being taught be Jesuits.

Well Catholics accept Big Bang theory, so it stands to reason you would be taught it. Lamarte', the guy who basically worked out the theory, was a catholic priest. Youngblood probabaly didin't go to a Catholic school.

GG