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And I don't mean that thing more like are there male or female orks. I just happened see an ork/orc with boobs at gw's site.

Those are boobs, right? http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1290318&prodId=prod1560097&rootCatGameStyle=

Orks are actually a type of fungus, so not in traditional terms, no.

Would that be the infamous Bloodbowl cheerleader?

Orks definitely don't have sexes, and Orcs probably don't either (they've become closer to fungi than regular humanoids). And an Orc/k that's sprouted breasts probably needs to stop playing around with warpstuff.

So can I convert some orks to have boobs and say they are mommy orks? (fluff wise). I read somewhere that orks where originally mutated humans.

Well, orks have been known to emulate human behavior. Look at hair squigs and the like. Perhaps some orks use "genitalia squiqs". As unpleasant as it sounds, history has shown that sexual warfare is an effective terror tool. I could see Blood Axes using rape as a weapon of war.

I think I speak for the civilized world when I say... "Huh?"

Mutated humans? Skaven and Beastmen are (and Squats in 40k), but I've never heard of Orcs being made from humans. I thought they were fighting the Elves and Dwarves long before humans came into the picture.

(In some versions of LotR they're made from mutated Elves, though.)

Sisters of WAAAGGHH!!


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Judging from that pic maybe more like grandmas of WAAGGH!!

Lexicanum wrote:

Orks first appeared in the Rogue Trader rulebook and the Space Orks boxed set, containing eighteen metal models. These Orks were squat, powerfully muscled humanoids, armed with bolt guns, blades and stick grenades; along with their helmets and other paraphernalia, these were apparently modelled on German equipment from World War I.

Aren't humans humanoids?

Yes, they are humanoids, but you're going about your logic wrong.

All cats are animals, all dogs are animals, doesn't mean that all cats are dogs.

Thus, all (actually just most, as squigs/squiggoths and the like are suspected to be specialty types) orks are humanoids, all humans are humanoids, but it doesn't mean that all orks are humans by any means. It just means that they have some similar attributes.

They reproduce from spores. Read the codex's people

illuknisaa wrote:So can I convert some orks to have boobs and say they are mommy orks? (fluff wise). I read somewhere that orks where originally mutated humans.

I think orks have been around far longer than humans. I haven't read up on the fluff in a long time but I think they were one of the races created to fight the old ones or something like that.

When an ork dies it releases spores and these grow into new greenskins. I don't believe that there are any female orks and the figure was made as a novelty for blood bowl.

Yes read the codex's for WHF and 40k. Not to mention that GW has taken the angle that the two are separate universes. The orcs in WHF do predate the humans showing up. Its been a hotly debated issue in my part of the world, due to the fact that rape is eluded to in WAAAGHs that the orcs go on. Now that said 40k has been desribe as spores for all greenskins just so GW can have a line for the two games. But if you ask me orks just have guns and chainsaws, as orcs dream of owning something that spills blood and goes vroom vroom.
thus their need for magical items........and such.

augustus5 wrote:

illuknisaa wrote:So can I convert some orks to have boobs and say they are mommy orks? (fluff wise). I read somewhere that orks where originally mutated humans.

I think orks have been around far longer than humans. I haven't read up on the fluff in a long time but I think they were one of the races created to fight the old ones or something like that.

When an ork dies it releases spores and these grow into new greenskins. I don't believe that there are any female orks and the figure was made as a novelty for blood bowl.

All true. The orks (krork) were made by the old ones to own the c'tan and necrontyr

Back in the RT days, in supplements like waagh the orks, and ere we go All orks started out in feral ork tribes of wildboyz, before running off and joining a warband. Later in life, the few orks that made it, would wander off "lookin fer sumfink" (and presumably end back up at the feral ork tribe to find some nice cheerleader type to settle down with).

Of course it's all spored to b be wild now, so they don't need sexual reproduction. Instead I assume there is a lot of horizontal gene transfer between all the orkanisms in an orkologikal system.

Borderline opinion warning - I'll remove it if anyone is offended

chick a bow wow wow...

As noted, the term "humanoid" means "in the shape of a human", and it usually refers to any alien that walks on two legs, has two arms, has a distinct head with eyes or such on it, etc.

It doesn't mean there's an actual relation with humans.

Orkeosaurus wrote:As noted, the term "humanoid" means "in the shape of a human", and it usually refers to any alien that walks on two legs, has two arms, has a distinct head with eyes or such on it, etc.

It doesn't mean there's an actual relation with humans.

It is more of an adjective, than anything. But Orkeo has defined the general use of the word rather well. It is usually also meant to imply that such creatures inhabit environments that humans can al inhabit (to degrees of success and comfort, of course). Like a human shaped creature of living lava probably shouldn't be considered "humanoid," but a swamp based amphibian would. I am not sure if Mer (mermaids and mermen) count as humanoid, but something tells me they might. Just an example of the gray areas of "humanoid."

In the older Rogue Trader era background and during 2nd Edition until GorkaMorka orks were marsupial type creatures (partly fungoid just like now) who grew young in pouches out in the wilderness and then died. There were female orks during this time, seldome ever mentioned, but now orks reproduce asexually via spores so there aren't any female orks anymore.

Since orks don't feed their young they have no need for breasts. According to Xenology orks have no reproductive anatomy nor need any and the diagram shows an ork with no genatalia.

I doubt that orks even have any concept of sex as it isn't something they do or need to do. If an ork wants pleasure he can just go a bit faster on his buggy et cetera.

If someone modeled an army of angry Ork housewives, I would not complain, and give a good fightin' to anyone that does!

Ok. but how do you explain why ork refer themselves as boyz as that is clearly a human term (eldar don't say their children are boys or girls). Orks also lack orginal language they mainly speak orkish english. If it possible that humans were created from orks by the old ones?

eg in fallout universe supermutants are made from human but are considered instead metahumans. So is it possible that humans are a subspecies desendent from orks?

@ illuknisaa
I'd say no. The fact remains that Orks are composed of a mostly fungal nature, lacking most of the complex organs humans have. Thats part of why they are so hard to kill. And they really dont have a need to eat, they just enjoy it. Orks are accually photosynthetic (sunlight gives them nourishment) That makes them Billions of years behind humans on the evolutionary scale.

@OP

1) You wish.
2) Only wiv your momma!

Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote: Orks ... dont have a need to eat, they just enjoy it. Orks are accually photosynthetic (sunlight gives them nourishment) That makes them Billions of years behind humans on the evolutionary scale.

OK I know it's all made up and all (and a bit OT) but I have two problems with this.

I don't think that orks would gain enough energy by photosynthesis alone to do all the things they need to do. Think about how much a plant does in a day, compared to how much an ork or human might do. I think they have to get extra energy from food.

Also, being able to photosynthesise wouldn't make them 'behind' humans on the evolutionary scale. I think that way of looking at evolution (as a linear progression from basic to more complex organisms) is incorrect. For example you might say a shark is 'less evolved' than a human because it is warm blooded, and doesn't have calcified bones, but in terms of it's niche it is perfectly adapted.

illuknisaa wrote:Ok. but how do you explain why ork refer themselves as boyz as that is clearly a human term (eldar don't say their children are boys or girls). Orks also lack orginal language they mainly speak orkish english. If it possible that humans were created from orks by the old ones?

eg in fallout universe supermutants are made from human but are considered instead metahumans. So is it possible that humans are a subspecies desendent from orks?

In a lot of the fluff, the orks are described as having their own language. Some can speak human too (for example, Nazdreg Ug Urdgrub) but they speak their own language for the most part, which they pop out of the ground innately knowing.

The whole "boyz" thing is more to give a feel for what ork language is like (ie. simple, slapdash and not very refined) than to show what they are actually saying. They do the same with Eldar, who speak their own language, but are shown using refined and stilted english to show what way they speak that language.

Consider as well the fact that humans in the imperium don't speak english, they speak High and Low Gothic, and local dialects.

However, just because the established fluff says one thing, doesn't mean you can't make your ork army whatever way you like. If you prefer the idea of a band of Fallout 3 style supermutants with women and kids over the orks as they are, go for it. Certainly, in Gorkamorka, there were examples of humans becoming Ork-like by associating with them (in behaviour, not appearance.)


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Kapitan Montag wrote:

Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote: Orks ... dont have a need to eat, they just enjoy it. Orks are accually photosynthetic (sunlight gives them nourishment) That makes them Billions of years behind humans on the evolutionary scale.

OK I know it's all made up and all (and a bit OT) but I have two problems with this.

I don't think that orks would gain enough energy by photosynthesis alone to do all the things they need to do. Think about how much a plant does in a day, compared to how much an ork or human might do. I think they have to get extra energy from food.

Also, being able to photosynthesise wouldn't make them 'behind' humans on the evolutionary scale. I think that way of looking at evolution (as a linear progression from basic to more complex organisms) is incorrect. For example you might say a shark is 'less evolved' than a human because it is warm blooded, and doesn't have calcified bones, but in terms of it's niche it is perfectly adapted.

You're completely correct, the linear model of evolution is very misleading. Plants are just as "evolved" (whatever that means) as humans. Things that are alive at the same time as each other don't belong on any sort of evolutionary scale, it is primarily useful to show us where the branching points happened.

a shark is inf act an evolutionary pinicle yeah i know alot about this. see the human DNA has alot of crap encoded into it. just worthelss pieces of information that does nothing. however, in sharks DNA 90% of it all encodes for something. so, in theory, you could say sharks are better evolved than us. just because they havnt grown arms and legs and decided to utalize tools doesnt mean theyre less evolved. in their water situation, they dont NEED arms legs or the use of tools.
humans see themselves as pinicled of evolution due to their brains, which is true enough, but in an enviorment we have no control over, were screwed.

end of biology lesson.

oh crap start it again, new thought. maybe orks have evolved to be better at photosynthesis? i mean plants are jsut one scale of evolution because they have leaves, which only absorb 10% of sunlight, the rest that hits the leaf is wasted. plus lots of fungi dont even need light, and an ork is basically a massively evolved toadstool so my point is, an ork could photosynthesise to survive, or it could have evolved to be warmblooded! you never know!

Kapitan Montag wrote:

Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote: Orks ... dont have a need to eat, they just enjoy it. Orks are accually photosynthetic (sunlight gives them nourishment) That makes them Billions of years behind humans on the evolutionary scale.

OK I know it's all made up and all (and a bit OT) but I have two problems with this.

I don't think that orks would gain enough energy by photosynthesis alone to do all the things they need to do. Think about how much a plant does in a day, compared to how much an ork or human might do. I think they have to get extra energy from food.

Also, being able to photosynthesise wouldn't make them 'behind' humans on the evolutionary scale. I think that way of looking at evolution (as a linear progression from basic to more complex organisms) is incorrect. For example you might say a shark is 'less evolved' than a human because it is warm blooded, and doesn't have calcified bones, but in terms of it's niche it is perfectly adapted.

Extra problem for the photosynthesis: Orks are the most wide spread alien specis in the galaxy so how could they survive in planets where there is no sun or any similiar source if they only rely on photosynthesis. Orks main diet consists of squigs.

They are part animal and part fungus.I'm not sure that they have sex at all since they reproduce by spores.

They are fungus wich can walk and have a rudimentary brain and blood; they have no genres.

I think that ork is wearing some form of boob-squigs.