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This is gonna be one jacked up trial.

Don't see how its going to be "jacked up" but Obama definitely is speaking on a level that most Americans are at when it comes to the 9/11 mastermind. Plus Obama isn't exactly a judge so he can't determine this case; which is relatively shut and close anyway.

Give him death. More than deserves it.

I hate the American 'justice' system and how it handles this stuff.
I hate the 11/9 terrorists, for the horrendous crime they've committed.

Fair trial, then execution. Works just fine in this case.

If i was the judge i wouldnt give him any sentence he would be set free on the streets of new york.

garret wrote:If i was the judge i wouldnt give him any sentence he would be set free on the streets of new york.

Another deeply thoughtful, very high-quality post from garret. I wish I could slap people over the internet.

What wrong with good ol' fashion street justice?

Because when you let people take the law into their own hands, it gets... well, out-of-hand.

What if they are the law?


Seriously though. The defendant wants to plead in front of military tribunal so it can probably be spun as the American military dispensing justice, so obviously they're not going to do that for such a high profile case. I would think the AG wants to move away from the whole "you're not an American citizen, so you have no rights" mindset that was prevalent with the last administration.

As for Obama's comment, I could care less. It's some trivial gak the media always picks out to sensationalize actual news, like bowing to the Emperor or whether he was checking out some french girl's ass.

avantgarde wrote:whether he was checking out some french girl's ass.

LOL i just saw that yesterday. Funny as hell. I wonder if his wife saw it.

I want the man to be sentenced to vivisection on Pay Per View. At $55.99 we should make a bundle back to pay for the costs of his trial.

Cruel and unusual? How common exactly is it to do what he did? I say its Precedent!

I think I'd be rather bored watching that. I saw we put them in a gladiatorial style combat.

More fun, more blood, more violence.

I'd even throw a party (byob of course).

The question we need to ask our selves is "what is cruel and unusual punishment? " I mean cant locking a guy away from civilization can be considered cruel.

Not in our society. I think anyone locked away is being done a huge favor.

I say we just shoot him in the back of the head execution style.

I would like to take it to a bigger level then that. We stab him for each life lost in 9/11.

Yep, sure is a good job that barbaric terrorist is being brought to justice.

Making him suffer won't bring back the 11/9 victims.

America has done pretty horrendous things too.

Y'know cheese you really dont have the right to say anthing about this. You dont know the feeling we felt when the towers fell. so be quiet OK.

I'm sure you didn't know the feeling that the Japanese felt when you killed over 200,000 civilians with the atomic bombs.

Before you jump out with the 'it was necessary' argument, don't you think the 11/9 bombers felt the same way?

@Garrett - Underneath your avatar it says you're in california, correct? Then you watched it on TV like the rest of us.
Plus you're what? Sixteen? Seventeen? In 2001 you would have been 8 or 9 years old.

So be quiet, ok?

Ya know Garret, I actually agree with Cheese on this one. No one but those who were directly affected by the 9/11 tragedy have the right to tell others to be quiet about this. I'm sure that at some point, every American who saw the towers fall felt something. It could have been hate, sorrow, fear, or a multitude of other emotions.

I remember watching the towers fall on television. I remember being afraid of what was going to happen next.

What do you remember? What do you remember feeling when that morning happened?

Don't go jumping on someone else because they express their opinion. Street justice is not what we need for this guy. We need a fair and just trial for him, so that we can show the world that we are above such barbaric measures.

Cheese Elemental wrote:I'm sure you didn't know the feeling that the Japanese felt when you killed over 200,000 civilians with the atomic bombs.

Before you jump out with the 'it was necessary' argument, don't you think the 11/9 bombers felt the same way?

You're still young, Cheese, so I won't jump all over that comment. Think about this, however, the Japanese at the time never went to bat for us at the time of Hiroshima the way we did for the Muslims being "cleansed" by the Serbians at close to the same time as 9/11.

The civilian trial is little more than PR gesture. The conditions will not especially differ from those in a military court room in terms of the hostility of process.

dogma wrote:The civilian trial is little more than PR gesture. The conditions will not especially differ from those in a military court room in terms of the hostility of process.

I've read some other comments about the upcoming trial and wonder what evidence will be allowed and whether Obama's ill chosen comment will be played upon.

Cheese Elemental wrote:I hate the American 'justice' system and how it handles this stuff.
I hate the 11/9 terrorists, for the horrendous crime they've committed.

Fair trial, then execution. Works just fine in this case.

Your being a bit self conflicting here. You hate the accused, and the system under which they are being tried. Specifically because of an elected representative with no control over said trials words in an out of hand context. Do you hate the magna carta? Do you hate that people can speak about trials publically?

Before you jump out with the 'it was necessary' argument, don't you think the 11/9 bombers felt the same way?

We didn't kill 200 thousand members of the 9/11 hijackers people, they were part of an international organization with a mandate based around instituting sharia law through terrorist action and guerilla military action. They are neither a civilian body, nor do they try and represent one.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Cheese Elemental wrote:I hate the American 'justice' system and how it handles this stuff.
I hate the 11/9 terrorists, for the horrendous crime they've committed.

Fair trial, then execution. Works just fine in this case.

You should probably get off your high horse when you get the date wrong. Just saying, you look like kind of an ass.

It's the way they do dates over there. The day is used before the month.

Anybody as the right to comment how they feel in America. If you take away that right to Cheese Elemental, you prove everything the terrorist say about us is right. Fair trial, fair execution. Obama (and me) wants these murderers brought to justice, finally. In the place where they commited the crime. We must protect the rights of America and the rule of law. That includes the right to say what you want, and the right to a fair trial, With a fair uncruel punishment. Anything else makes us the monsters half the world thinks we are.


Oh and Obama was helping somebody on the stairs, watch the video....but you won't.

Relapse wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Cheese Elemental wrote:I hate the American 'justice' system and how it handles this stuff.
I hate the 11/9 terrorists, for the horrendous crime they've committed.

Fair trial, then execution. Works just fine in this case.

You should probably get off your high horse when you get the date wrong. Just saying, you look like kind of an ass.

It's the way they do dates over there. The day is used before the month.

Yeah, I realized that before you posted and edited in that very question. My bad, I'll edit my post.

^^ you look even more like an ass, Australian dating goes day/month

youbedead wrote:^^ you look even more like an ass, Australian dating goes day/month

We have almost four times your combined populations. I also live in this country. Please excuse my ignorance. Do you know how china organizes it's dates?

Relapse wrote:
You're still young, Cheese, so I won't jump all over that comment. Think about this, however, the Japanese at the time never went to bat for us the way we did for the Muslims being "cleansed" by the Serbians at close to the same time as 9/11.

We went to bat for the Muslims? I thought we went to bat in the interests of increasing our influence within the former Soviet sphere, while simultaneously working to secure territory for a potential petroleum pipeline.

Anyway, I'm sure the Muslim population of Kosovo was the prime concern of a terrorist group lead by Egyptian ex patriot veterans of the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Clearly the latter were biting the hand that feeds.


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Relapse wrote:
I've read some other comments about the upcoming trial and wonder what evidence will be allowed and whether Obama's ill chosen comment will be played upon.

It may be, but what jury (In Manhattan no less) will not deliver a conviction? If the prosecutor is even remotely competent I can't imagine this being anything short of a formality.