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Kanluwen wrote:Oh no, I'm not dismissing them as completely insane.

I'm dismissing them as moronic, traditionalist views held by weathered old dinosaurs who refuse to let the last vestiges of their power that they gathered to them by lying through their teeth to a population that set its moral compass by religion

sounds like the bush administration

America can't come into other peoples backyards spouting its to spread democracy and freedom, when your own population is made up of barbarians, wanting pay-per-view torture and murder.

BluntmanDC wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Oh no, I'm not dismissing them as completely insane.

I'm dismissing them as moronic, traditionalist views held by weathered old dinosaurs who refuse to let the last vestiges of their power that they gathered to them by lying through their teeth to a population that set its moral compass by religion

sounds like the bush administration

America can't come into other peoples backyards spouting its to spread democracy and freedom, when your own population is made up of barbarians, wanting pay-per-view torture and murder.

Very rarely is one sentence so wrong with nearly every word.
America? A continent? Which one?
Barbarians? I'll admit most people are not Greek, but thats kind of a problem for everyone outside of Greece isn't it?
Who wants pay per view torture an murder? guttertripe nonsense.
But you're right. Soon as "America" does that we'll let you know. Until then, keep trolling.

Frazzled wrote:
They used the law yes. But the truth of that is that it was used as a weapon or done quickly. No city hall trial there.

What do you think this trial is? Fair?

youbedead wrote:

Relapse wrote:It's more of a rhetorical question since the way the trial is being set up seems designed to trot the boy through on the way to execution.
Don't get me wrong, I can think of a hundred ways I'd like to see this guy dropped, but it seems like any attempt to hold this trial up as a showpiece of justice is a farce.

And if he was tried in a military court you would complain obama isn't following the law, it just seem like your complaining for the sake of complaining

I would not. I just think the whole deal is going to be a farce. Your cut and dried comment about what I'm thinking is right in line with Obama saying the civilian court is going to hang the guy.

dogma wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
They used the law yes. But the truth of that is that it was used as a weapon or done quickly. No city hall trial there.

What do you think this trial is? Fair?

this:


or this:

BluntmanDC wrote:
America can't come into other peoples backyards spouting its to spread democracy and freedom, when your own population is made up of barbarians, wanting pay-per-view torture and murder.

Sure we can. Nothing you mentioned impacts either democracy, or freedom.

What we really need is this

You know, this brings a good point up.

The bleeding heart liberals and the kind of folk who say that the Palestinian suicide bombers are justified will say it's a "show trial", no matter what kind of trial it is.

The fact is, we've treated these animals far better than they deserve. But really. No matter how the trial goes, there will be constant yelling about it from one corner or the other.

But really, if these guys get off...then something's wrong.

Kanluwen wrote:You know, this brings a good point up.

The bleeding heart liberals and the kind of folk who say that the Palestinian suicide bombers are justified will say it's a "show trial", no matter what kind of trial it is.

The fact is, we've treated these animals far better than they deserve. But really. No matter how the trial goes, there will be constant yelling about it from one corner or the other.

But really, if these guys get off...then something's wrong.

You're right. If its going to be accused of being a show trial then I want a SHOW trial. Lets demonstrate our Vegas like uber dominance of kitschy.

We need:
*show girls
*an animal show
*pyrotechnics
*Pt Barnum including trapeze act and elephants
*An impromptu hockey/football/conga line needs to break out.
*We need celebrity guests including Sinbad, Lewis Black, Borat, and the ghost of Elvis
*An opening song by Shakira, and closing song by Hank Williams Jr.
*At close Carlos Mencia and Ron White can escort him to the electric chair. It will need to have a flashing neon sign atop it saying "USofA is Bestest ofA!"

I would watch CSPAN for that....

Frazzled wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Oh no, I'm not dismissing them as completely insane.

I'm dismissing them as moronic, traditionalist views held by weathered old dinosaurs who refuse to let the last vestiges of their power that they gathered to them by lying through their teeth to a population that set its moral compass by religion

sounds like the bush administration

America can't come into other peoples backyards spouting its to spread democracy and freedom, when your own population is made up of barbarians, wanting pay-per-view torture and murder.

Very rarely is one sentence so wrong with nearly every word.
America? A continent? Which one?
Barbarians? I'll admit most people are not Greek, but thats kind of a problem for everyone outside of Greece isn't it?
Who wants pay per view torture an murder? guttertripe nonsense.
But you're right. Soon as "America" does that we'll let you know. Until then, keep trolling.

sorry U.S.A. (although alot of the U.S. citizens call it America), i'm sorry i recall your idea was to tar and feather them which is barbaric (therefore you are a barbarian, words and there meanings evolve) there seems to be a lot of people on this thread that what barbaric vengence (note:not justice). I was not trolling, i was questioning the view he has of the middle east being controlled by religious nutters while the U.S.A. was lead by an equally nutty Bush (who said god told him to invade).

JEB_Stuart wrote:I would watch CSPAN for that....

I'll bring the popcorn.

Frazzled wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:You know, this brings a good point up.

The bleeding heart liberals and the kind of folk who say that the Palestinian suicide bombers are justified will say it's a "show trial", no matter what kind of trial it is.

The fact is, we've treated these animals far better than they deserve. But really. No matter how the trial goes, there will be constant yelling about it from one corner or the other.

But really, if these guys get off...then something's wrong.

You're right. If its going to be accused of being a show trial then I want a SHOW trial. Lets demonstrate our Vegas like uber dominance of kitschy.

We need:
*show girls
*an animal show
*pyrotechnics
*Pt Barnum including trapeze act and elephants
*An impromptu hockey/football/conga line needs to break out.
*We need celebrity guests including Sinbad, Lewis Black, Borat, and the ghost of Elvis
*An opening song by Shakira, and closing song by Hank Williams Jr.
*At close Carlos Mencia and Ron White can escort him to the electric chair. It will need to have a flashing neon sign atop it saying "USofA is Bestest ofA!"

Only if the afterparty is Carlos Mencia getting put in the chair.

He might actually be funny then!

So if, in addition to evidently tbeing the scourage of mankind and the summation of all that is evil, we are Barbarians, are we this kind of Barbarian?




this kind?


or this kind?

BluntmanDC wrote:i recall your idea was to tar and feather them which is barbaric

What makes it barbaric?

Orkeosaurus wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:i recall your idea was to tar and feather them which is barbaric

What makes it barbaric?

Wasn't that traditionally a fatal practice? Both because hot tar was used and because it was horrific on the skin and pours?

Yeah, but if the guy wants to shave 20 years off of his martyrdom he shouldn't mind a little burning tar.

BluntmanDC wrote:
sorry U.S.A. (although alot of the U.S. citizens call it America), i'm sorry i recall your idea was to tar and feather them which is barbaric (therefore you are a barbarian, words and there meanings evolve)

One seemingly barbaric practice defines any given person, or group in this case, as barbarians? Wow, you are one hell of an absolutist.

I suppose that little grammatical error I highlighted also makes you illiterate?

BluntmanDC wrote:
there seems to be a lot of people on this thread that what barbaric vengence (note:not justice). I was not trolling, i was questioning the view he has of the middle east being controlled by religious nutters while the U.S.A. was lead by an equally nutty Bush (who said god told him to invade).

Its cute that you think you can find some kind of empirical standard of justice, while denying the notion that there can be a empirical standard for sanity.

I don't ever remember hearing Bush saying that "God told him to invade"...

Wow this turned into a thread about the trial and then into a thread about how barbaric american supposedly are.

I think this is the kind of barbarians we are.

garret wrote:Wow this turned into a thread about the trial and then into a thread about how barbaric american supposedly are.

What surprises me is that here was an easy chance to slam Obama and no-one has.

Kilkrazy wrote:

garret wrote:Wow this turned into a thread about the trial and then into a thread about how barbaric american supposedly are.

What surprises me is that here was an easy chance to slam Obama and no-one has.

I have a few pages up, but its too early for the majority to see whats up. when the trial date approaches more will notice and some in the press will make comments on those lines. the subject is not gathering much quality thought, but it will in time and then Obama will likely have egg on his face, ironically mostly in the eyes of those outside the US - where he is still popular, which will feedback within - where his appeal has already wanted for other reasons.

I can't believe nobody commented on Captain Caveman. One of my favorite cartoons when I was only knee high to a grasshopper.


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garret wrote:Wow this turned into a thread about the trial and then into a thread about how barbaric american supposedly are.

You thought it wouldn't?
God told me I needed to eat some chili, with crackers.

Kanluwen wrote:I don't ever remember hearing Bush saying that "God told him to invade"...

It was reported that he said something to that effect in a group interview with Mohamed Abbas in 2003. No idea if its true, as I've not seen the interview, or at least I don't recall having seen it.

Edit: It wasn't an interview with Abbas, but an interview with members of Abbas staff. Those staff members claimed that Bush had spoken of a God's instructions to him in their first meeting.

Link.

In other news the beginning of the end has begun.

The fact that you are choosing to deal with this in your usual, non-hysterical manner is fantastic - good for you, Fateweaver!