http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8437433.stm

Danish police shoot intruder at cartoonist's home


Kurt Westergaard has had a price on his head since 2006

Danish police have shot and wounded a man at the home of Kurt Westergaard, whose cartoon depicting the Prophet Muhammad sparked an international row.
Mr Westergaard was at home in Aarhus when a man broke in and threatened him. He pressed a panic button and police entered the house and shot the man.
Danish officials said the intruder was a 28-year-old Somali linked to the radical Islamist al-Shabab militia.
The cartoon, printed in 2005, prompted violent protests the following year.
One of 12 cartoons published in the Danish newspaper Jyllands Posten, it depicted the Prophet Muhammad with a bomb in his turban.
In 2006 the paper apologised for the cartoons, but other European media reprinted them.
Danish embassies were then attacked by Muslims around the world and dozens killed in riots.
Mr Westergaard went into hiding amid threats to his life, but emerged last year saying he wanted to live as normal a life as possible.
His house has been heavily fortified and is under close police protection.


The cartoons prompted anti-Danish outrage across the Muslim world (over a singly issued political cartoon)

Police said the man had entered Mr Westergaard's house armed with a knife and had shouted in broken English that he wanted to kill him.
He said he had grabbed his five-year-old granddaughter and run to a specially designed panic room where he raised the alarm.
Mr Westergaard told Jyllands Posten he was shocked that his granddaughter had witnessed the attack.
He has now been taken to a safe location, but said defiantly that he would be back, the newspaper reported.
Jakob Scharf, who heads the Danish intelligence service Pet, said the attack was "terror related" and that the suspected assailant has close contacts to Somalia's al-Shabab group.
He had been under surveillance for activities unrelated to Mr Westergaard, Mr Scharf said.
Police said he was shot in the knee and the shoulder after threatening officers who tried to arrest him. Preben Nielsen of Aarhus police, said the man was seriously hurt but his life was not in danger.
The BBC's Malcolm Brabant, who interviewed Mr Westergaard when he emerged from hiding, says the incident will raise questions about security measures put in place by the Danish secret service to protect the artist.
Islamic militants have placed a $1m price on Mr Westergaard's head.
Although he is one of 12 cartoonists whose drawings of the Prophet were published in Jyllands-Posten, he has the highest profile, our correspondent says.

Kilkrazy wrote:Salman Rushdie had police protection for years following publication of The Satanic Verses.

ShumaGorath wrote:The Koran is not particularly different from either the New Testament nor the Old in it's depictions or calls for violence,

I feel I need to correct this statement, as the New testement doesn't do any "calling" for violence. In fact there is a "calling" for peace. The violence "called for" in the Old testement was directly related to laws(mostly religious), much like our laws "call for" violence against perpetrators of the law. Like for instance death penalty for murder.

ShumaGorath wrote:Not really interested in getting into a debate about specific passages, but the old testament is rife with law code and story passages dealing with taking villages, taking slaves, slaughtering peoples, and committing regicide. The old testament treats genocide and invasion calmly and legalistically. The new testament is considerably less avocational in it's violent traditions but it hardly avoids the subjects of defending the faith and holding strong under heretical oppression.

JEB_Stuart wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Not really interested in getting into a debate about specific passages, but the old testament is rife with law code and story passages dealing with taking villages, taking slaves, slaughtering peoples, and committing regicide. The old testament treats genocide and invasion calmly and legalistically. The new testament is considerably less avocational in it's violent traditions but it hardly avoids the subjects of defending the faith and holding strong under heretical oppression.

You can't make blanket statements like you did with impunity, that is just ridiculous. You either deliberately ignore the teachings of Christ and the apostles or you just don't know them. Very simply, the Old Testament is a history of the Hebrews and an outline of their relationship with God. Nowhere in the New Testament is there any call for violence by the followers of Christ, in fact Christ demands peace from His followers. Also, there is no Scripture to support your claims that the New Testament even mildly endorses violence in defense of the Faith or heretical oppression. Both are ideas that are created by man, not by God. I know you said you didn't want to argue, but I won't let you simply post false information.

Green Blow Fly wrote:Muhammed was inspired by a prophet named Jesus.

G

Fifty wrote:"How dare you draw a cartoon implying Islam is violent! Now die for your crime!"

ShumaGorath wrote:

I feel I need to correct this statement, as the New testement doesn't do any "calling" for violence. In fact there is a "calling" for peace. The violence "called for" in the Old testement was directly related to laws(mostly religious), much like our laws "call for" violence against perpetrators of the law. Like for instance death penalty for murder.

Not really interested in getting into a debate about specific passages, but the old testament is rife with law code and story passages dealing with taking villaiges, taking slaves, slaughtering peoples, and committing regicide. The old testament treats genocide and invasion calmly and legalistically. The new testament is considerably less avocational in it's violent traditions but it hardly avoids the subjects of defending the faith and holding strong under heretical oppression.

Bottom line Shuma you made an ignorant comment by including the New testament in your list. Then you followed it up with more ignorance by trying to defend your initial ignorance, by not wanting to admit you were wrong.

The slaughter that took place was usually a part of God's judgement upon another idol worshiping nation, or upon Israel itself for Idol worship.

ShumaGorath wrote:
Not really, but like I said, I really don't feel like getting into a debate about scriptures with someone who would never agree regardless.

ShumaGorath wrote:
Entirely inaccurate, especially given the law codes specifically laid down for the orderly taking of villages and the situations in which the villagers should be killed (when your book has instructions on how to commit siege warfare on townships then you probably shouldn't defend it's writings as peaceful).

generalgrog wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

I feel I need to correct this statement, as the New testement doesn't do any "calling" for violence. In fact there is a "calling" for peace. The violence "called for" in the Old testement was directly related to laws(mostly religious), much like our laws "call for" violence against perpetrators of the law. Like for instance death penalty for murder.

Not really interested in getting into a debate about specific passages, but the old testament is rife with law code and story passages dealing with taking villaiges, taking slaves, slaughtering peoples, and committing regicide. The old testament treats genocide and invasion calmly and legalistically. The new testament is considerably less avocational in it's violent traditions but it hardly avoids the subjects of defending the faith and holding strong under heretical oppression.

Bottom line Shuma you made an ignorant comment by including the New testament in your list. Then you followed it up with more ignorance by trying to defend your initial ignorance, by not wanting to admit you were wrong. I will give you, that there was a lot of violence in the Old Testament, however you show a complete lack of understanding of what and why that violence took place. The slaughter that took place was usually a part of God's judgement upon another idol worshiping nation, or upon Israel itself for Idol worship.

You made a mistake by trying to equalize New Testament teaching with Old Testament teaching with Koranic Teaching. As far as I know nothing in the Christian Bible(Old and new testament) Calls for slaying infidels like the Koran does.

GG

Zip Napalm wrote:Yes Shum the "socioeconomic factors".

Mohamed Atta = Architecture Degree
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed = Mechanical Engineering Degree
Marwan al-Shehhi = language institute in Bonn, Germany
Mohand al-Shehri = Imam Muhammed Ibn Saud Islamic University in Abha
Hani Hanjour= University of Arizona
Majed Moqed = King Fahd University's Faculty of Administration and Economics
Ziad Jarrah = aerospace engineering at the Fachhochschule (University of Applied Sciences) in Hamburg
Abderraouf Jdey = studied biology at the Université de Montréal

ShumaGorath wrote:

Zip Napalm wrote:Yes Shum the "socioeconomic factors".

Mohamed Atta = Architecture Degree
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed = Mechanical Engineering Degree
Marwan al-Shehhi = language institute in Bonn, Germany
Mohand al-Shehri = Imam Muhammed Ibn Saud Islamic University in Abha
Hani Hanjour= University of Arizona
Majed Moqed = King Fahd University's Faculty of Administration and Economics
Ziad Jarrah = aerospace engineering at the Fachhochschule (University of Applied Sciences) in Hamburg
Abderraouf Jdey = studied biology at the Université de Montréal

You don't send stupid people on missions of importance, and muslim dominant countries are by in large poor in infrastructure and natural wealth. They are also largely victims of colonial era restructuring.

Zip Napalm wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Zip Napalm wrote:Yes Shum the "socioeconomic factors".

Mohamed Atta = Architecture Degree
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed = Mechanical Engineering Degree
Marwan al-Shehhi = language institute in Bonn, Germany
Mohand al-Shehri = Imam Muhammed Ibn Saud Islamic University in Abha
Hani Hanjour= University of Arizona
Majed Moqed = King Fahd University's Faculty of Administration and Economics
Ziad Jarrah = aerospace engineering at the Fachhochschule (University of Applied Sciences) in Hamburg
Abderraouf Jdey = studied biology at the Université de Montréal

You don't send stupid people on missions of importance, and muslim dominant countries are by in large poor in infrastructure and natural wealth. They are also largely victims of colonial era restructuring.

Your right, The Saudi's really are victims of colonialism.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Zip Napalm wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Zip Napalm wrote:Yes Shum the "socioeconomic factors".

Mohamed Atta = Architecture Degree
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed = Mechanical Engineering Degree
Marwan al-Shehhi = language institute in Bonn, Germany
Mohand al-Shehri = Imam Muhammed Ibn Saud Islamic University in Abha
Hani Hanjour= University of Arizona
Majed Moqed = King Fahd University's Faculty of Administration and Economics
Ziad Jarrah = aerospace engineering at the Fachhochschule (University of Applied Sciences) in Hamburg
Abderraouf Jdey = studied biology at the Université de Montréal

You don't send stupid people on missions of importance, and muslim dominant countries are by in large poor in infrastructure and natural wealth. They are also largely victims of colonial era restructuring.

Your right, The Saudi's really are victims of colonialism.

I'm glad saudi arabia is the entire middle east. In a thread about a somalian muslim. Days after a failed attack by another somalian, who was in contact with a Yemenese terror cell, which was an offshoot of an Afghan brand, which trains it's recruits in Iraq and pakistan.

ShumaGorath wrote:And you've read the Koran?

BluntmanDC wrote:you kind of bit yourself there with your own ignorance, a common misconception is that the koran says these things, three important words do not appear in the koran: 1. war, 2.holy, 3.infidels. these terrorist groups use the islamic faith as a front for their xenophobic hate, not just of the west but also of other muslim groups. the upper members of these organisations use easily moulded people to carry out their hate. the koran is a book of peace