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Thread title is quotation from Shelley Lubben, American Missionary to Porn Stars.




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Manchu, you had me at the title.

Other than that, I don't really know what to say.

In know. What do you say to that? "Good for you?"

Counterpoint? (ignore second half, the radio interview)

That first video is about 7 minutes to long...

Funny, as soon as I saw that woman I thought:

"She looks like she drives a Miata."

So much for the drunken ramble at post 4000.



Also, Bill O'Reilly is an awful interviewer.

I suppose...but TBH I kinda tuned out when she went all religeous.

She does look like she drive a Miata.

@Clthomps: I think she's pretty interesting. Reserving judgement for the moment.

Shelley Lubben wrote:Women, especially young girls, are never properly informed to be able to make a wise choice to enter porn. Pornograpy is so hidden that not even movies or the media depict the dark side of porn or the consequences involved. Schools and churches do not educate young people about the porn industry. Parents don't talk to their children about the porn industry. How then are women able to make an informed choice about being in porn? The only education young women receive about the porn industry is FROM the porn industry where glamour, fame and fortune is promised where in reality the only promise the porn industry can make young women are sexually transmitted diseases, illegal and hazardous work conditions, drugs and alcohol and the regret of having their movies posted on the internet for a life time where family members and friends may find them. Porn devastates. Get informed!

Just to clarify, I didn't post this as a joke or as an attempt to proselytize anyone. I was amused when I first stumbled across this lady and am still not quite sure what to make of some of what she says (esp. re: the fantastical parts, obviously). But she says some challenging things when you edit out some of her spirituality (which is different from religion). I posted this because I genuinely couldn't just dismiss it or rationalize it away. So I thought I'd put it here for discussion.


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dogma wrote:Also, Bill O'Reilly is an awful interviewer.

QFT. Not just a FoxNews problem, however. It's becoming a lost art.

lol "i used to talk to God all the time.."

Uh?!

You have to realise that girl being immoral for money is somebody's daughter :(. Not that we really care XD

I didn't watch the video (I hate those sorts of videos) but I read what manchu posted. She makes some sense. Porn is a pretty dodgey industry a lot of the time.
Helping people make informed decisions can only be good.

Clthomps wrote:That first video is about 7 minutes to long...

When you call a video that is 6:59 "seven minutes too long", you know it has to be awful!

So, is she saying that children who preach the gospel and write letters to Jesus are destined for porn?

Shelley Lubben is interesting because she takes a pretty common sense message--the porn industry ruins performers' lives--and mixes is up with a lot of strange ideas about Christianity. Pity people aren't watching the vid. She says some interesting things. At one point she calls working in porn demonic UNLIKE prostitution. And then there's a conversation with Jesus in a mirror.

Her website has some weird videos, too, including a series where she tries to track down Steve Hirsch of Vivid Entertainment to do a debate. It contains some pretty racist jokes, including where she is talking to an Asian lady, saying "ding dang ding ding Steve Hirsch?" The lady says "sorry I don't speak . . . Chinese." Mrs. Lubben is pretty strange.

Okay you've made me interested now. I'm going to regret it but I'm getting a cup of tea and watching the video.

Tristan Taormino disagrees (NSFW).

Another example: "God miraculously healed her incurable sexually transmitted disease."

Jaysus, that video is scary wierd. Sometimes she's talking and it makes sense and then she spins off into wierdo religious territory.
It's sad to watch.
Especially that she was abused as a child. Apparently very common in the porn industry.
What a rough life.

mattyrm wrote:lol "i used to talk to God all the time.."

Uh?!

Sorry mattrym, explaining talking to God to a sceptic is like explaining colour to the blind. Either way, while the coversations might even contain humour, the subject itself is no joke. People do talk to God, I know this is true because I do so myself.

If Jesus made me for greater things than porn...why did he bless me with such a giant schlong?


WAY TO PIGEONHOLE ME!

God decided to make me an Atheist.

How dare you feel you have the right to question His wisdom!

Well, syphilis does cause schizophrenia-like delusions if it goes untreated long enough. A dollar and a half of penicillin and she would be back to getting buggered by her boss, the pizza boy and any other random stranger who is unable to keep big willie and the twins in their pants. Yay!

Ummm.................. WTF!? If people aren't supposed to do porn, why did God make beautiful women that like having sex for a living?

I personaly don't see anything wrong with porn,religious/moral gaurdians will always find porn actresses and actors who have "repented"/had a change of heart,and proceed to parade them about as "evidence" that porn is "evil" (it was done with Linda Lovelace,of "Deep Throat" fame,who made all sorts of aligations of being 'forced to perform at gun point" and being drugged,she latter claimed she lied about being "used" and went back to porn).
Now,of course their are individules who get into porn and latter regret their decision to do so,but their are numerous others who seem to be very happy with their decisions (Jenna Jameson,Ron Jerremy,Tobi Kia,Chelsy Lane..etc.)..and besides,every industry has some individules that come to relize they arn't happy working in it...I'll wager at this moment their is a young woman working at Applebees thinking "My God...what was I thinking!!".

Oh I hit on those applebees waitresses just to make them feel akward! Is it possible they used to be in porn? I am oddly aroused. However, most applebees waitresses are rather unattractive. XD

Orlanth wrote:explaining talking to God to a sceptic is like explaining colour to the blind.

Isn't the inverse just as true though? A skeptic explaining why it is odd to talk to a mythic being is like explaining colour to the blind. No traction will be made either way.

Unless of course we are talking about reasonable people which understand why each other believes the way they do, they just don't agree. I understand you have a brain tumor that let's you talk to magic people, but that is ok. And because it can be hard to tell online sometimes, that last sentence was a joke.

Explaining the voices in your head to a sane person is like explaining colour to the blind, except you're crazy.

My wife's ex husband was, and possibly is still,
addicted to porn. He bagan tuning his family life out to go off to his computer room to watch the stuff non stop. She finally had enough and divorced him.
I also have a friend whose son was so addicted they had to drop him into a treatment center for a while.
That stuff is as bad as alcohol for addictive personalities from what I've witnessed and read about.
If it was limited the way alcohol is, I'd be able to tolerate it existing somewhat. The only trouble is it's not. I was working with my 12 year old on a map project one evening and I had typed out the address in the back of a Rand McNalley map book. A porn site appeared on the screen, and my kid saw some pretty graphic stuff.
These guys lay a lot of crap out for anyone to stumble across in the same fashion as if distillers and brewers were to put out soda bottles filled with whiskey or beer.
I don't let my kids use a computer without myself or my wife present because of this.

I truly despise the people cranking this crap out.

Does he suck d***k for porn? Because that's not addiction, addiction is the broken end of a glass pipe in your mouth because you have convulsions if you don't. Besides, why the heck don't you have blocking software on your computer? Is it so hard to turn off all images so you don't have to play google-seppuku whenever you download a site?

Any documentary or data I've looked at has not pointed towards pornography generally being a healthy profession for those involved in it. There are, of course, exceptions, but I think if you're telling yourself it's all hunky dory and there's no ethical issue you're deluding yourself.

Another aspect to porn I find disturbing is that over time it's become more extreme and degrading. Various theories exist as to why that is, but I find myself looking at what's out there wondering how the hell anyone could be aroused by that rubbish, and wondering what effect it would have on the views that young men have about women.

I'm not religious, and I'm pretty sure I'm not a prude either, but I do think porn is an industry that has a large and distressing dark side.

As other people have pointed out plenty of other industries have large and distressing dark sides. Working in a kitchen, for example, exposes you to plenty of drugs, unsafe working conditions, and so on. And yet there are safe wonderful kitchens out there that are a joy to work in, that aren't filled with drug-addicts, health and safety violations, and produce food that's worth eating.

As Tristan Taormino points out, the problem isn't with pornography any more than MacDonalds makes food problematic thanks to its labour, health & saftey, and effect of the product on habituated users. There's fast-food porn, production-wise, and it degrades people as much as any other sweat-shop industry that depends on exploiting people.

Which is good that there are sites out there that producing plenty of non-degrading porn sites, like Abbey Winters, Tristan Taorminos own work, and so on. A favourite fetish site of mine, for example, always include a warm-down session afterwards which is good because it promotes not only the notion of the fantasy within a safe, sane, and consensual framework but encourages good BDSM behaviour where you need to be negotiate with your partner and debrief afterwards.

I mean, by all means pre-judge an entire industry because of a minority (which, this being the internet, is disproportionately represented because there's no local-market for the really weird stuff), but just be aware of how ignorant doing so is.