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In other news, the Health overhaul has been approved.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/22/health/policy/22health.html

By a vote of 219 to 212, the House passed the bill after a day of tumultuous debate that echoed the epic struggle of the last year. The action sent the bill to President Obama, whose crusade for such legislation has been a hallmark of his presidency.

Let the Cluster fething commence!

Even if Limbaugh goes on extended vacation, you know he will miss his calling:

Nurgleboy77 wrote:Let the Cluster fething commence!

Amen! We can't even fix all the pot holes on the highways and the government has been trying for 60 years when the government was running at a surplus.

Think of a trip to the DMV, now picture yourself bleeding to death at the DMV.

And the government taxing you for bleeding in the DMV.

Pipboy101 wrote:

Nurgleboy77 wrote:Let the Cluster fething commence!

Amen! We can't even fix all the pot holes on the highways and the government has been trying for 60 years when the government was running at a surplus.

Potholes are caused by the cars driving over them. You don't stop them, they happen and they get filled in.

Think of a trip to the DMV, now picture yourself bleeding to death at the DMV.

You now have an accurate view of what it was like before. Oddly it's the same now.

Nurgleboy you have no idea what was in the healthcare bill.

As opposed to the all knowing Shuma who has read all 1K+ pages...

Bait: Ignored

As opposed to the all knowing Shuma who has read all 1K+ pages...

better than having read none of it, knowing nothing about it, having no concept of governance or economics, and having no idea how the healthcare system works.

I've at least read the relevant portions.

Something important to note, is the formatting of the bill, as a legal document. Even though the bill is toted as an epic stack of paper, font is massive, and margins take up more than 1/3 of the page. Instead of 2000+ pages (written in font that can be read from across the room, along with being double spaced), think 500 pages of formulaic reading, backed up by around 250 pages of index, and reference material.

Just saying.

Wrexasaur wrote:Something important to note, is the formatting of the bill, as a legal document. Even though the bill is toted as an epic stack of paper, font is massive, and margins take up more than 1/3 of the page. Instead of 2000+ pages (written in font that can be read from across the room, along with being double spaced), think 500 pages of formulaic reading, backed up by around 250 pages of index, and reference material.

Just saying.

Most government legal documents are very long. The annual budget is huge.

We should stop doing that as well though, it is far too much for me to read.

Here is a good summary for those who are interested.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-03-20/what-are-we-about-to-pass/

Simple solution:

Make things simple.

For instance, healthcare.

Law Proposed: Healthcare for all.
Bill Contents: Healthcare for all.
How we do it: Tax you.
How you get it: You don't have healthcare.
How this bill solves it: You get healthcare.

Simple.

RIP: Freedom, 1776-2010

I, for one, do NOT welcome our Progressive Overlords.

I can solve the expensive health care issue with one fell swoop. Why not hand out Government Bills out instead of sleeping and pain medications. Yes we will lose the world's forests but a typical HR bill can be used for insomiacs that does respond to strong drugs. Plus people would learn to live with the pain just like before modern medical drugs instead of reading that boring .

The Green Git wrote:RIP: Freedom, 1776-2010

I, for one, do NOT welcome our Progressive Overlords.

I thought you were leaving the country rush!

Quite honestly, most of the bills read like a super boring mad lib.

The State of __________ (enter proper state name) gets $___,___,___,___.___ (enter random number) for ________________ (enter a useless earmarked porkbelly project) as a requirment for the funding of grade school lunch programs which can be cut at any time in order to fund the previously aforementioned project.

I am not a fan of being forced to buy health insurance. I find that to be one of my biggest problems with the bill. I have enough problems making enough money as it is, even with a subsidized plan, I will still have to fork over some money, which I am loathe to do...

Pipboy101 wrote:Quite honestly, most of the bills read like a super boring mad lib.

The State of __________ (enter proper state name) gets $___,___,___,___.___ (enter random number) for ________________ (enter a useless earmarked porkbelly project) as a requirment for the funding of grade school lunch programs which can be cut at any time in order to fund the previously aforementioned project.

And this post reads like you didn't read any of the bill.

JEB_Stuart wrote:I am not a fan of being forced to buy health insurance. I find that to be one of my biggest problems with the bill. I have enough problems making enough money as it is, even with a subsidized plan, I will still have to fork over some money, which I am loathe to do...

That is if they catch you! Just ride rings around the government...they will never force you to pay!

Or move to Limbaughlund.

JEB_Stuart wrote:I am not a fan of being forced to buy health insurance. I find that to be one of my biggest problems with the bill. I have enough problems making enough money as it is, even with a subsidized plan, I will still have to fork over some money, which I am loathe to do...

Welcome to the same situation illegal immigrants are in. You can't pay your medical bills? Neither could they.

The bill provides support for super low income households in theory, so we'll see how it actually pans out.

Just as said above by Nurgleboy: Bait: Ignored.

Don't take it personally.

JEB_Stuart wrote:I am not a fan of being forced to buy health insurance. I find that to be one of my biggest problems with the bill. I have enough problems making enough money as it is, even with a subsidized plan, I will still have to fork over some money, which I am loathe to do...

1% of your income is hardly a catastrophic fee. I have few doubts that if you can't afford it, you simply aren't required to pay it.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Pipboy101 wrote:

Nurgleboy77 wrote:Let the Clusterf*cking commence!

Amen! We can't even fix all the pot holes on the highways and the government has been trying for 60 years when the government was running at a surplus.

Potholes are caused by the cars driving over them. You don't stop them, they happen and they get filled in.

When it comes to road maintenance, you have no idea what you're talking about.
You're more adept at sophistry.
Stick to what you are good at.

Zip Napalm wrote:
Stick to what you are good at.

Alright!



Well, the law is now Americans must have healthcare. Take a few days to now see the rammifications to this new law and how you can use it to your advantage.

Zip Napalm wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Pipboy101 wrote:

Nurgleboy77 wrote:Let the Clusterf*cking commence!

Amen! We can't even fix all the pot holes on the highways and the government has been trying for 60 years when the government was running at a surplus.

Potholes are caused by the cars driving over them. You don't stop them, they happen and they get filled in.

When it comes to road maintenance, you have no idea what you're talking about.
You're more adept at sophistry.
Stick to what you are good at.

A pothole (sometimes called kettle and known in parts of the Western United States as a chuckhole) is a type of disruption in the surface of a roadway where a portion of the road material has broken away, leaving a hole. Most potholes are formed due to fatigue of the pavement surface. As fatigue fractures develop they typically interlock in a pattern known as "alligator cracking". The chunks of pavement between fatigue cracks are worked loose and may eventually be picked out of the surface by continued wheel loads, thus forming a pothole.
The formation of potholes is exacerbated by low temperatures, as water expands when it freezes to form ice, and puts greater stress on an already cracked pavement or road. Once a pothole forms, it grows through continued removal of broken chunks of pavement. If a pothole fills with water the growth may be accelerated, as the water "washes away" loose particles of road surface as vehicles pass. In temperate climates, potholes tend to form most often during spring months when the subgrade is weak due to high moisture content. However, potholes are a frequent occurrence anywhere in the world, including in the tropics.
Potholes can grow to feet in width, though they usually only become a few inches deep, at most. If they become large enough, damage to tires and vehicle suspensions occurs.

You too. I'm great at knowing everything! And you're great at making snide comments that are easy to refute with the first paragraph from the wikipedia for the definition being argued.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pothole

WarOne wrote:

Zip Napalm wrote:
Stick to what you are good at.

Alright!



Well, the law is now Americans must have healthcare. Take a few days to now see the rammifications to this new law and how you can use it to your advantage.

I was trying to be all righteous and you go and make me laugh.

Interesting read.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,975457,00.html

America's road system is a marvel and a mess. With 3.9 million miles of highways and roads, many of them built in the asphalt rush of the 1950s, it is by far the world's biggest system. Ninety percent of all U.S. travel occurs on highways, and three-quarters of all domestic goods are shipped by road. No stretches are busier than the 1.2 million miles of interstate and other major highways. And yet, despite the $28 billion spent each year on maintenance and construction, the Federal Highway Administration admits that 52% of these thoroughfares are in miserable condition. Some are rated "low fair," meaning rutted, cracked and sometimes "unfit for high-speed travel." Others are "poor," meaning they have excessive bumps, depressions and potholes that "provide an uncomfortable ride." Roads like this contribute to congestion and accidents, which the government says cost the country $120 billion a year -- and untold lives.

JEB_Stuart wrote:I am not a fan of being forced to buy health insurance. I find that to be one of my biggest problems with the bill. I have enough problems making enough money as it is, even with a subsidized plan, I will still have to fork over some money, which I am loathe to do...

Yeah, it isn't great, but if we take it as a given that insurance companies should not be able to reject anyone for a pre-existing condition how do you get people to buy insurance when they're not sick?

Also, the fine is 1% of your income, and starts in four years time.

God dammit! Now if the death panels even let me see a doctor, it will have to be a Communist one, who will probably make me have an abortion. We need to fight back!

Here’s the plan:

STEP 1: All Americans for a government that abides by the Constitution change their local laws to allow the keeping of chickens by any taxpaying American.

STEP 2: Once taxpayers are allowed to keep chickens, we amend the law to allow all taxpayers to keep hogs. (After all, we wouldn’t want to discriminate now, would we?)

STEP 3: Hogs proliferate from sea to shining sea.

STEP 4: Government workers begin to disappear.

STEP 5: Missing government workers are replaced with new government workers.

STEP 6: The new government workers disappear too.

STEP 7: In short order, no one wants to be a government worker.

STEP 8: With a shrinking pool of government workers, fewer laws interfering with private enterprise are enacted.

STEP 9: Smaller government at all levels - federal, state, city, and local - result in HUGE SAVINGS being realized with the tax dollars returned to the taxpayers.

STEP 10: After eating off the FAT OF THE LAND, the tens of millions of hogs are sold to the Chinese for hefty profit, thereby paying off the debt caused by said government workers. America is now debt free.