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Does anyone think that the Necron fluff is to be overhauled when (if) they're revised next time round?

Necron Lords having distinct motivations, personalities and names could be just the beginning. If this does herald a change then that makes the Blood Angles fluff a good thing because nothing could have been worse than their 'terribly mysterious' non fluff they've had in the past.

R/Tape Load Error (My old Necron Lord) looks forward to such a change.

that sounds about right, since from what a friend of mine said that necron lords can become C'tan? no idea if its true but it sounded interesting. maybe they do have personalities. it sounds better then being an undead robot who never dies

So C'tan (on the tabletop) are Necron Lords channelling C'tan power into themselves (as they do in DoW).

Not a million miles away from the Avatar and Greater Daemon fluff.

George Spiggott wrote:So C'tan (on the tabletop) are Necron Lords channelling C'tan power into themselves (as they do in DoW).

Not a million miles away from the Avatar and Greater Daemon fluff.

No thay aren't (as far as i know) in the ultramarines book the Nightbringer doesn't need any necron lord to manifest(or whatever). I don't have the necron codex though, but I don't think they work like that. Also, if that was the case, the void dragon wouldn't have been trapable(does that word exist?XD) in mars, cause it could'v just left it's material body and leave....

In Nightbringer the C'tan doesn't need one, but in other books, not sure but I think it may have been Soul Drinker's a Necron Lord is possessed by One.

The C'Tan are gods inhabiting a living metal frame which is made for them.

I'm not sure i like the idea of a necron lord ascending to become a c'tan. I have heard rumours of them havign powers like a "lesser" c'tan though, whcih coudl be interesting. Maybe they have earned the favour of their chosen c'tan god and have been given powers by them?

Praxiss wrote:The C'Tan are gods inhabiting a living metal frame which is made for them.

I'm not sure i like the idea of a necron lord ascending to become a c'tan. I have heard rumours of them havign powers like a "lesser" c'tan though, whcih coudl be interesting. Maybe they have earned the favour of their chosen c'tan god and have been given powers by them?

They don't 'ascend'. They become a temporary manifestation of a C'tan, just like an Avatar is a temporary manifestation of Khaine created from an Eldar host.

What does the codex say on this matter?

The Necron lord in Dark Creed seemed to have his own personality.

George Spiggott wrote:Does anyone think that the Necron fluff is to be overhauled when (if) they're revised next time round?

Yes, working this out and getting them to "fit" is, apparently, one of the reasons for the delay in their releases.

I'm a bit dubious about the whole channelling the C'tan idea to be honest.

I think Necron Lords were the nobles before the race sold their souls, and so they were allowed to keep fragments of personality and autonomy as a reward.

I've always like the Lords who have their personalities,a Lords who commits a massacre just because he was bored or the lord who loves to fight Space Marines,that kinds of them would be nice to see.

See the 5th edition rulebook for how the Necron background is going to be developed.

George Spiggott wrote:Does anyone think that the Necron fluff is to be overhauled when (if) they're revised next time round?

Necron Lords having distinct motivations, personalities and names could be just the beginning. If this does herald a change then that makes the Blood Angles fluff a good thing because nothing could have been worse than their 'terribly mysterious' non fluff they've had in the past.

R/Tape Load Error (My old Necron Lord) looks forward to such a change.

Whoa, what are you talking about? Non-fluff? I've been a fan of BA since 93'-it was their fluff that drew me to them. Since nobody else said anything, I guess many people believe this? Can someone explain that point please? I don't think this is a thread hi-jack, I think it's on topic. But forgive me if the majority view it otherwise.

So basicaly there going to become power armor super-friends? No. God, please no...

jabbakahut wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:Does anyone think that the Necron fluff is to be overhauled when (if) they're revised next time round?

Necron Lords having distinct motivations, personalities and names could be just the beginning. If this does herald a change then that makes the Blood Angles fluff a good thing because nothing could have been worse than their 'terribly mysterious' non fluff they've had in the past.

R/Tape Load Error (My old Necron Lord) looks forward to such a change.

Whoa, what are you talking about? Non-fluff? I've been a fan of BA since 93'-it was their fluff that drew me to them. Since nobody else said anything, I guess many people believe this? Can someone explain that point please? I don't think this is a thread hi-jack, I think it's on topic. But forgive me if the majority view it otherwise.

What are you going on about?

He was talking about how in the BA Codex they mention one of the Necron Lords having a distinctive personality.

Wow, I totally didn't see that, but I understand now. My bad. In that case, I really hope they move on the Necrons, I think they're in need of love more than any other army. Fluff should evolve over time, refinements and tie-ins that they didn't think of at conception. It would be boring if the fluff didn't evolve, the key is for it to be minor, if it's major, just make another race.

Hey no problem. I like the idea behind the Necrons having more personality than mindless machines following star eating gods.

Really the only reason i wanted to play necrons at the start were, the way they
were immortal killing machines, not humans.
An advance in the fluff i guess wouldn't be to bad, but really? Changing they're
"personality" comeon Matt Ward, werey from battle? Ally, common foe?(pg 16 of the bloodangels codex,
top right corner) "battle-worn"? The necrons don't get tired, correct me if im wrong.
I play only xenos, mainly because i like it, xenos are not suppost to be able to relate to humans.
Otherwise they wouldn't be xenos.

I'll still play necrons, but seeing as how they will probably turn out to be some sort of
costume wearing human.*end rant*

The necron in Xenology has a distinct personality.

I think the necron lord/c'tan ideas came about because the idea of having an actual Star God on your 40k table is quite silly, but having a Necron Lord possessed by a fraction of a Star God or having a small Avatar of a Star God seems much more sensibly scaled.

Maybe the Ultramarines DID release the real Nightbringer, and the Emperor DID imprison the real Dragon, but I think game wise we'll see the old C'Tan slot filled by a Necron Lord Dedicated to C'Tan option...

The C'tan are Star Gods, they live on life and energy from Stars/Suns, and the Necrons gave them physical bodies and fed them their lives in return for Immortality. The C'tan don't need Lords to manifest. I thought the Necron fluff was OK but it could have a bit more in it. What was there was very cool though.

As to the OP I hope nothing in the BA codex is a hint of things to come >_<

Soladrin wrote:As to the OP I hope nothing FLUFFWISE in the BA codex is a hint of things to come >_<

Fixed it for you

Grey Templar wrote:

Soladrin wrote:As to the OP I hope nothing in the BA codex is a hint of things to come >_<

Fixed it for you

No fixing was required, meant every word of it.

BrotherStynier wrote:Hey no problem. I like the idea behind the Necrons having more personality than mindless machines following star eating gods.

NO NO NO.

The best part of necron fluff is that they turned in there personality for immortality. They gave it away and started compaigning against the old ones and not a feth was given.

The finger is given to the imperium and there ideals
The finger is given to chaos gods and there lack of power
The finger is given to the warp
The finger is given to tyranid and orks for there futility.
We are necron all you stars are belong to us

I beg to differ, they sold their souls to achieve immortality because they couldn't expand their life spans. In addition it gave them a chance to wage their eternal war against those they grew to hate for living longer than them.

I understand the desire to keep the masses of the Necrons with limited to no personality, but the Lords I like the idea of them gaining some personality. A friend who has been reading the Fall of Damnos has been telling me about the Necrons and how they are in that and I personally really enjoy how that sounds.

Same here. Distinct personalities should be reserved for EITHER Lords or certain ICs in the codex. but i really like the idea of different necrons becoming different unit types due to their shared......mental defects?

lords can have a small amout of power of the C'Tan. In the apoclypse rule book it explains their are 4 classes of necron lords Bronze - your expendable lord, Sliver - been in service for a while and if killed would mean a loss, Gold are the commanders of entire tomb worlds and Platinum - who were thought to be the very rulers of the necrontyr and have some form of gifts from the C'Tan themselves. These gifts do not make them a manifestation of the C'Tan them self but are able to have abilities that no other necron has.

A lord can't become a manifestation because by that logic the Void Dragon who is awake but traped on mars, Could transform a lord somewhere out side of mars its self. The C'Tan use the same phase out tec as the necrons and when killed are re-assembled at a local tomb world. The C'Tan phase knife used by assassins does not work on the C'Tan them selves as they use a different form of living metal that acts as a suit not a living constrict. The phase knife is known to destroy living metal its self but when used on a C'Tan it re-attaches itself to the C'Tan. This shows that the C'Tan use a diffrent form of living metal and wouldent beable to manuiplate the lords frame. If a Lord was used as a manifestation of a C'Tan, The C'Tan would be driven insaine as by absorbing the lord and becoming one with it, they are then absorbing the personality of the lord and it would then be two brains in one body.

Plus the Nightbringer isent all to smart and wouldent know how to transform a lord into himself.

thermatic wrote:lords can have a small amout of power of the C'Tan. In the apoclypse rule book it explains their are 4 classes of necron lords Bronze - your expendable lord, Sliver - been in service for a while and if killed would mean a loss, Gold are the commanders of entire tomb worlds and Platinum - who were thought to be the very rulers of the necrontyr and have some form of gifts from the C'Tan themselves. These gifts do not make them a manifestation of the C'Tan them self but are able to have abilities that no other necron has.

A lord can't become a manifestation because by that logic the Void Dragon who is awake but traped on mars, Could transform a lord somewhere out side of mars its self. The C'Tan use the same phase out tec as the necrons and when killed are re-assembled at a local tomb world. The C'Tan phase knife used by assassins does not work on the C'Tan them selves as they use a different form of living metal that acts as a suit not a living constrict. The phase knife is known to destroy living metal its self but when used on a C'Tan it re-attaches itself to the C'Tan. This shows that the C'Tan use a diffrent form of living metal and wouldent beable to manuiplate the lords frame. If a Lord was used as a manifestation of a C'Tan, The C'Tan would be driven insaine as by absorbing the lord and becoming one with it, they are then absorbing the personality of the lord and it would then be two brains in one body.

Plus the Nightbringer isent all to smart and wouldent know how to transform a lord into himself.

Concerning the whole ranking system, it seems they are trying to amalgamate it into the personality of Lords. That is to say, combine the two, so to allow scheming in between the different Lords as they try to advance in power. For each Tombworld though, there is supposed to be a plethora of bronze ones, several silver, 3 gold and a platinum, the last of which is only theorized to exist.

Moving onto the issue of becoming avatar like constructs, it's already been done in the form of 'essences', which the Lords take on of either, currently, the Deceiver or the Nightbringer. And I'm going to argue about the Nightbringer being unintelligent, out of hundreds only 4 C'tan are left, brute force and luck only go so far, I would position these last C'tan to be horrifically powerful and deceptive each, though some more then others.

Their are more than 4 left, The 4 that are well kind of left are the strongest. The outsider is bat S%^& crazy and theirs no way in hell hes getting out of the orb, The void dragon is stuck because the Deciver went to mars and turned off any way we could phase away from his tomb, The nightbringer is about as smart as a human as from nightbringer he is able to reconise some thing that can kill him ( melta bomb) and the deciver who is the smartest of them all.

The only reason the Void dragon is alive is because he was the strongest of all C'Tan, being able to surive a shot from the black stone fortress. The Nightbringer is a Pawn to the deciver who protected him from the Avatar and tricked him and the outsider into eating their brothers. The nightbringer is the only one the Deciver can control and he has used him on several occasions.