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Tea party activists rally at U.S. Capitol – Demonstration ends in violence
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The conservative advocacy group Tea Party Express massed at the U.S. Capitol on Saturday to protest health care reform, higher taxes and what they see as out-of-control government spending. The rally started out with antagonism towards the Obama administration and congressional Democrats. Marchers en route to the rally held no feelings in check as they waved signs reading, "Proud member of the angry mob," "I didn't vote for this Obamanation," "Fire the czars" and "You represent us, not rule us.” Nazi imagery and a poster of President Obama as an African witch doctor were popular images. Near the end of the rally on Thursday, however, things took a turn for the worse as several demonstrators physically assaulted a man and his wife who had attended to speak out against the protest. Andrew Lawrence, age 32, and his wife Martha Lawrence had driven from Connecticut to speak in support of President Obama’s healthcare reform bill. After getting into what is reported to have been a heated argument, he and his wife were severely beaten. They were admitted to the North D.C. General Hospital for bruising a mild concussion, but are not in serious condition. Three suspects are currently in police custody,.
“I don’t understand why they had to react the way they did,” said Mr. Lawrence, when interviewed about the incident. “Why can’t we just talk these things through with words (...) I don’t think political differences mean that we can’t live in harmony with each other, despite disagreeing. I mean, that’s what you should always want.”
Tea Party members have had a mixed reaction to the assault. While many have condemned the violence, some have also been critical of Lawrence’s choice to support the passage of the bill. One protester interviewed had this to say:
“I don’t think it was right for [those who assaulted him] to have done what they did. But even so I wish that my fellow Americans would just open their eyes. Obama is turning this country into a Marxist state (...) we need to protect the right to our own healthcare, because if we don’t hold on to the right, no one else will. As far as [congress] is concerned about them... they’re make believe.”
Others have been less empathetic towards the incident. “We’re trillions of dollars in debt as it is,” says one protester. “Obama is going to have is country gallop right into the side of a cliff. We have to be the ones that do something about it because the members of congress.. and the president... there will be no shame from themselves if they do this. And you know, it’s cold outside, and we’re out here doing what we need to do, holding back the tide of fascism, and it’s not like I wouldn’t want to be with my family right now. I love them, I really do.”
In a press release regarding the incident the White House stated that despite the hostility they were going to continue to “move forward at an (...) ever increasing speed” until the American people are able to “charge through the high costs of health insurance while simultaneously avoiding a fall into bankruptcy.” When asked if it was felt that President Obama had a high score in approval among most of the public the White House declined to comment.
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Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
I'd just like to point out that 'it's a shame he got beaten but enough about that we really need to how Obama is creating a socialist/fascist state' isn't much of a call to stop violence.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Are things really so bad that people are being assaulted for their polical views?
Hell, Obama isn't the one causing this, it's stubborn and over-reacting right-wing nutters.
People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made.
Leftists have been involved too. They'll deny it of course but there have been right wingers attacked by Liberals at rallies as well.
Protests turn ugly sometimes. I mean ffs, look at what happens on dakka when someone gets sent a C&D by GW. The way people react (and I realize a lot of it is talk) would actually make me worry about what would happen if dakkaite members were to rally outside of GWHQ in Nottingham. I wouldn't put it past a few to act in a violent matter over their toy soldiers.
Politics is even more sensitive. I'm not saying it's right but the leftists are just as bad as the righties.
--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
I, for one, refuse to believe that people charitable enough to yell at a man with Parkinson's and throw money at him as insult would EVER do such a thing.
Especially not after I saw a documentary on how the Tea Party was the White Power movement's biggest opportunity in decades...
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Fateweaver wrote:Leftists have been involved too. They'll deny it of course but there have been right wingers attacked by Liberals at rallies as well.
Source.
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Sanctjud wrote:It's not just lame... it's Twilight Blood Angels Nipples Lame.
Politics is even more sensitive. I'm not saying it's right but the leftists are just as bad as the righties.
Oddly enough I never remember code pink protests turning violent, though i guess you could equate the teaparties to the black panthers or something if yours just grasping at straws for ideological movements tangentially relate to both liberalism and violence.
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ShumaGorath wrote:Oddly enough I never remember code pink protests turning violent, though i guess you could equate the teaparties to the black panthers or something if yours just grasping at straws for ideological movements tangentially relate to both liberalism and violence.
Violence and pointless property damage are a pretty central part of G8 protests, and they're definitely left wing movements. And when people aligned with those movements speak out about the violence, they typically say 'yes that was bad but let's talk about all the really bad stuff that we're protesting' or 'the right wing commits violence as well'. All of which is crap, frankly.
People need to own up. G8 protestors need to admit all they've ever done is smash a couple of Starbucks, gotten some people hurt and delegitimise the sensible members of their movement. Tea Partiers need to realise all they've done is built an echo chamber of panic around around a long overdue piece of moderate healthcare reform, and that echo chamber has reached the point where someone's been assaulted and senators have gotten death threats. It's ridiculous and it needs to stop.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Ah yes. The old Conservatives are racist argument.
Funny how black Conservatives feel liberals are racist due to all these programs to help minorities, as if minorities can't get through life on their own.
Mad, what political leaning the founder of the KKK was? I'll give you a hint. He was the opposite of Conservative.
But go on thinking that Conservatives are racist rednecks. The liberals are more racist than conservative rednecks would ever think of being.
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--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
Violence and pointless property damage are a pretty central part of G8 protests, and they're definitely left wing movements. And when people aligned with those movements speak out about the violence, they typically say 'yes that was bad but let's talk about all the really bad stuff that we're protesting' or 'the right wing commits violence as well'. All of which is crap, frankly.
I never understood what they were protesting.
People need to own up. G8 protestors need to admit all they've ever done is smash a couple of Starbucks and delegitimise the sensible members of their movement. Tea Partiers need to realise all they've done is built an echo chamber of panic around around a long overdue piece of moderate healthcare reform, and that echo chamber has reached the point where someone's been assaulted and senators have gotten death threats. It's ridiculous and it needs to stop.
There are ways to make them stop, but not ways to make them not be stupid.
Ah yes. The old Conservatives are racist argument.
You need to stop drinking before you post. No one said that. That doesn't even make sense.
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Fateweaver wrote:Mad, what political leaning the founder of the KKK was? I'll give you a hint. He was the opposite of Conservative.
Which would be telling point if we thought the political beliefs of the two US parties had been set in stone for centuries. But that'd be a stupid thing to think and fortunately Dakka is an erudite community.
The Democrats were a very strong state in the South, historically - going back to the aftermath of the Civil War. While racism is by no means a purely Southern thing, it played a stronger part in Southern politics than it did elsewhere, and it would be fair to say that racism was far more dominant in the Democrats. That changed with Johnson's signing of the civil rights bill, and the subsequent adoption of the Southern Strategy among the GOP - deliberately targetting disgruntled racists.
But that's been mentioned at least a dozen times on Dakka, I find it hard to believe you keep forgetting.
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ShumaGorath wrote:I never understood what they were protesting.
Neither did they.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Fateweaver wrote:Mad, what political leaning the founder of the KKK was? I'll give you a hint. He was the opposite of Conservative.
"The first Klan was founded in 1865 by Tennessee veterans of the Confederate Army. Klan groups spread throughout the South. The Klan's purpose was to restore white supremacy in the aftermath of the American Civil War. The Klan resisted Reconstruction by assaulting, murdering and intimidating freedmen and white progressives within the Republican Party. In 1870 and 1871 the federal government passed the Force Acts, which were used to prosecute Klan crimes. Prosecution of Klan crimes and enforcement of the Force Acts suppressed Klan activity. In 1874 and later, however, newly organized and openly active paramilitary organizations such as the White League and the Red Shirts started a fresh round of violence aimed at suppressing Republican voting and running Republicans out of office. These contributed to white conservative Democrats regaining political power in the Southern states in the late 19th and early 20th centuries."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan
So... you're completely wrong on that one.
But go on thinking that Conservatives are racist rednecks. The liberals are more racist than conservative rednecks would ever think of being.
Another unsubstantiated claim. Here, I'll provide some evidence:
"Prominent modern-day African-American Democratic politicians include Jim Clyburn, Maxine Waters, John Lewis, Deval Patrick, Charles Rangel, John Conyers, and the current President of the United States, Barack Obama, who managed to net over 95% of the African American vote in the 2008 election. Despite being unaffiliated, the NAACP often participates in organizing and voter turnout drives and advocates for progressive causes, especially those that affect people of color. Within the House of Representatives, the Congressional Black Caucus, consisting of 44 black Democrats, serves to represent the interests of African Americans and advocate on issues that affect them."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29#African_Americans
Find me some prominent African American Republicans. So, Michael Steele... aaaaand...
Anyway, I think your point is made. 95% of the African American vote went to a liberal party that clearly hates them. Not to mention majorities of: Jews, Native Americans, Asian Americans, Arab/Middle Eastern groups AND Hispanics. All of those groups voting for a liberal party shows the obvious racism of liberals. You win, sir.
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Sanctjud wrote:It's not just lame... it's Twilight Blood Angels Nipples Lame.
Hmm, the liberals are the ones pushing welfare to "help" minorities.
Liberals have made it a crime to attack someone due to skin color, aka, hate crimes.
Tell me again how liberals aren't racist. All these social programs and hand outs to me speaks volumes of "minorities can't make it on their own so we need to help them out."
Favoring a race over another, for any reason, is racist. UNCF allows Black youth to go to school for free (or at a reduced rate). I'm pretty sure that if some Caucasian guy wanted to start a college fund call "United Caucasian College Fund" that the NAACP, Black Panthers and our own President would be up in arms and declaring it vile and evil and racist.
Liberals put into practice the majority (if not all) the programs into place that help minorities. It's like the white dude that wanted to start a basketball team that only allowed whites to play on it. He was called racist and other names and was forced to resign and yet if I want to be a Black Panther I have to be of African-American or African decent. In order to apply for the UNCF I have to be African American.
How the hell is that NOT racist?
So anyway. That Tea Party attack, if it really happened as described, was uncalled for. Both sides have gotten nasty, it happens every election. It'll happen again in 2 years and beyond that and beyond that.
--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
I wish assault was used as a political tool more often. I think that we should stop arguing with words and lock horns more often. If someone manages to kick feth out of me in my front garden i will agree with them for a period of 90 days. Thats much quicker than all this paliament malarkey. David Cameron vs The Cyclops in a shirtless queensbury rules 99 round bout on the roundabout outside buck palace would be a pay per view extravaganza!
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
I thought we'd get a bunch of 'yes it's bad but let's talk about how HCR is socialist/has death panels/whatever' and 'left wingers are violent too'. I really didn't think we'd get into 'it's the left wing that's really the violent ones'. I don't think anyone could have seen that coming.
Fateweaver wrote:Hmm, the liberals are the ones pushing welfare to "help" minorities.
Yes, because they recognise that historic racism has left black people in economically disadvantaged position today. Poverty is a self-reinforcing cycle, often trapping multiple generations and it is often only truly exceptional individuals that can break out. Therefore aid is justified on the grounds that it can break that cycle.
It's a contraversial concept, I personally don't agree with it (better to give aid purely on economic background than to give aid based on race then justify that by pointing out the correlation between race and poverty). However, arguing that the aid itself is racist is utterly ridiculous.
Liberals have made it a crime to attack someone due to skin color, aka, hate crimes.
It would also be illegal to hit a man because he is white. The idea is that racially motivated crime has a far greater effect on the community, people are killed in family disputes and while tragic, it simply isn't the same thing as dragging someone behind your car because he's gay. The latter is a different type of crime and it is argued it should therefore be addressed by a different law.
Again, its not a law I'm really in complete agreement with, but claiming it is racist is stupid.
All these social programs and hand outs to me speaks volumes of "minorities can't make it on their own so we need to help them out."
That's a very silly misreading of aid programs. As I pointed out above, it's because of the close correlation between poverty and ethnicity - it is simply harder to get educated and land a middle class job when your Mum worked 60 hours a week minimum wage and no-one in the family has ever been to college.
Liberals put into practice the majority (if not all) the programs into place that help minorities. It's like the white dude that wanted to start a basketball team that only allowed whites to play on it. He was called racist and other names and was forced to resign and yet if I want to be a Black Panther I have to be of African-American or African decent.
If you want to join the Irish Club you need to be of Irish descent. Is that racist?
Why are you comparing playing in a basketball league with a political group focussed on black issues? Why would they be equivalent?
So anyway. That Tea Party attack, if it really happened as described, was uncalled for. Both sides have gotten nasty, it happens every election. It'll happen again in 2 years and beyond that and beyond that.
Oh yeah, and 'this kind of thing happens, it's no big deal, everyone does it'. Which is even worse than the other non-recognitions. Class act.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Obama should, just for April the First, ACTUALLY behave like Hitler or Stalin, just for shiz n giggles and round all these genetic degenerates up and gas them.
Would scare the gak out of these chumps if 'wimpy' and 'intelligent' liberals started hitting back. I say if they're all lining up to protest, do the genepool a favour and driveby the entire lot... Only way to be sure.
Could the rest of Dakka put fateweaver on ignore BTW, I did it ages ago and it remains unpleasant having to read his 'prose' in quotation in other's texts.
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We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
mattyrm wrote:I wish assault was used as a political tool more often. I think that we should stop arguing with words and lock horns more often. If someone manages to kick feth out of me in my front garden i will agree with them for a period of 90 days. Thats much quicker than all this paliament malarkey. David Cameron vs The Cyclops in a shirtless queensbury rules 99 round bout on the roundabout outside buck palace would be a pay per view extravaganza!
This is a sci-fi idea. Except rather than use our fists like primitive people, we should duel other countries in sports. These should always include Rollerball, futuresport, Baseketball, ping pong, and any sort of 2 or 3 story robot fight. The winner should get whatever they were after, especially if it was some large tract of land like Alaska.
Excerpt from the IMDB summary of Robot Jox-"It is post-World War III. War is outlawed. In its place, are matches between large Robots called Robot Jox. These matches take place between two large superpowers over disputed territories. The main character Achilles is a pilot in one of the large Robots. The plot revolves around him and a match for the state of Alaska."
May we live to see such streamlined and exciting politics!
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Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
Orkeosaurus, on homophobia, the nature of homosexuality, and the greatness of George Takei.
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Yes!!! An assault!! Civil War round 2 people, its coming!!!
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Palin and her crazies because when I get home from work in the evening, I need something to have a good laugh at.
(Though to hear them saying some of the stuff they say, and then burning effigies of Obama at rallies, it makes me think of the bloody Taliban...its a bit much)
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Lock 'em up. It'll be a great object lesson as to how the federal government really WASN'T trampling on their civil liberties back before they were convicts.
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Speaking of Taiwan, am I the only who thought this was going to be a manga thread?
Green Ranger! Tea Party Attack! Ho!
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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Here's a video showing part of the attack. You can't see much of it, but you can hear the fighting and some of the argument that led up to it.
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
"I thought we'd get a bunch of 'yes it's bad but let's talk about how HCR is socialist/has death panels/whatever' and 'left wingers are violent too'."
Wait for it... wait for it...
Frazzled wrote:Yea like left wingers have never done anything violent...
There it is!
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Frazzled wrote:
Yea like left wingers have never done anything violent...
All sides suck, except for me.
Shut up, old man, before we put you in front of a death panel.
Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do
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