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In my LGS,

My Blood Angel friend is being the kind of TFG who would make a staff middle finger him, well in the joking way of course

We have a mega battle every sunday, and we are allowed 2 units of any size or points, no characters or HQ, he took 30 DC marines...

I play eldar, and I need something that can stop those bastards, 2 units, what should I take?

I'd consider an Avatar, Wraithlords, and a Seer Council led by Eldrad and Yriel.

Run jetseers, backed up by Howling Banshees.

Did you not notice the "no HQ or characters" limitations?

Take 40 poisoned, furious-charging, scytal Genestealers!

Oh, Eldar. 2 Wraithlords, then?

I agree with Mortified Penguin, Banshees should make short work of DC. If you wanna be fancy give them a waveserpent and then fly around and shoot the DC for a while and then charge.

The problem that you've given is that the game setup is designed to be fun and not serious. You are taking it as if you are supposed to win. He's going to be taking well over 1000 points of troops in one unit. Either A) don't play or B) play, but don't expect to win.

I would say one of the following:

2 Squadrons of walkers with starcannons.

OR

10 Howling Banshees with all the fixins'/Maxed harlequins with kisses and fusion pistols...

and

Squadron of walkers with starcannons.

I am assuming you guys get creamed every time against that thing? o.O

20 Fire Dragons might also help, depending on the opponents firepower.

Surtur wrote:The problem that you've given is that the game setup is designed to be fun and not serious. You are taking it as if you are supposed to win. He's going to be taking well over 1000 points of troops in one unit. Either A) don't play or B) play, but don't expect to win.

So he should just stop playing of be consigned to losing? Thats terrible advice. If he's having trouble with something then why wouldnt he try out different solutions.He is talking as if he's supposed to win because people dont play 40K to lose.

Two Fire Prisms.

I'll echo the walker squadrons with star cannons. Just make sure you start maximum distance.

When I first saw the thread and didn't notice that you used Eldar, my first thought was two units of 10 Wolfguard with jump packs and frostblades.

Make any CC just a blood bath.

what do they do?

For 63 points each you have a S5 jump pack marine with powerweapons that have 4 attacks each on the charge/countercharge.

In a typical fight 40 attacks, 20 hits, 12 wounds with no armor or FNP save.

Against the death Co. it will really depend on who assaults whom.

Banshes, Harlies, (both with Doom), Fire Dragons, Wraithguard, D-Cannon, Fire Prism is OK but not great. Starcannons, Brightlance, EML.

I mean Guardians, Dire Avengers, Pathfinders etc are not that great against them nor Reapers, Fire Prism etc. If you have two Prisms you might actually be better off shooting the small blast.

All that S5 (or rending, if they have that) will eat a Wraithlord.

Wraithlords definitely good against them but not if they have Rending.

Tony the guardsman wrote:In my LGS,

My Blood Angel friend is being the kind of TFG who would make a staff middle finger him, well in the joking way of course

We have a mega battle every sunday, and we are allowed 2 units of any size or points, no characters or HQ, he took 30 DC marines...

I play eldar, and I need something that can stop those bastards, 2 units, what should I take?

Seeing as how 30 DC with jump packs and thunderhammers cost 1950 points you're going to need 2,000 points worth of a units to kill them.
If his 2nd unit is an elite chaplain joined to the DC you're going to need more than 2,000 points to kill them.
Eldar don't have any 1,000 point units.
You just can't beat a 2,000 point unit with less than a 1,000 points worth of stuff.

If you're playing Rage properly, you don't have to stop him at all. Take a Fire prism with Holofields, and simply make sure it's the closest thing to his DC unit every turn. By the Rage rule, he has to move towards it. Just stay closer than anything else but too far away to be charged (very easy if he's footslogging his DC) and he has no choice but to let 1,000 points' worth of unit get run around in circles.

schadenfreude wrote:
Eldar don't have any 1,000 point units.
You just can't beat a 2,000 point unit with less than a 1,000 points worth of stuff.

Erm...two kitted out Fire Prisms should do nicely.

It's kind of nonsense, really. The Codices aren't balanced to be played like this... A lot of the Eldar units are intended to be used in conjunction with Farseers, IMO.

That said:

Why not two squads of 10 Wraithguard with Warlocks? AP2 owns Death Company! But then, do they have Jump Packs? Then that might not work too well.

YES THEY DO HAVE JUMP PACKS!

I cant make them run around in circles because of that

Tony the guardsman wrote:YES THEY DO HAVE JUMP PACKS!

I cant make them run around in circles because of that

why not?

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:

Tony the guardsman wrote:YES THEY DO HAVE JUMP PACKS!

I cant make them run around in circles because of that

why not?

what he said

Cuz I might end up too near and let them screw me up

Dashofpepper wrote:

schadenfreude wrote:
Eldar don't have any 1,000 point units.
You just can't beat a 2,000 point unit with less than a 1,000 points worth of stuff.

Erm...two kitted out Fire Prisms should do nicely.

^^ This

Tony the guardsman wrote:Cuz I might end up too near and let them screw me up

So you're a poor general then who doesn't do well eyeballing or measuring 19".

You can move 24", more with star engines and all the fixings; which you have no reason not to add to your tanks for this game, so if you play it well and don't panic you can ensure that your closest unit is always 19" away so one tank can always shoot while the other plays as bait.

OP: Your opponent and you have agreed to play a variant game where you just field a couple units. Since his units can cost upwards of 1200 points each, while your units top out in the 250 range (barring jetseers and ineffective Wraithguard blobs), what you're really agreeing to is a 500 versus 1500 point game. Sorry, you're just not going to reliably win with 1/3 of the point value unless your opponent is a complete moron.

All well and good trying to stay back, but with a 30 model unit, you keep them side by side and you can line a table nearly, with that moving forward its impossible to avoid for more than 2 turns or so (depending on board size)

Some armies like guard can grab the firepower in a game like this, but eldar dont really have anything that can do much to them.
Banshees are about the main thing i can think of.
Power weps, quick moving, decent initiative.

Just need to make sure you get the charge.

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:All well and good trying to stay back, but with a 30 model unit, you keep them side by side and you can line a table nearly, with that moving forward its impossible to avoid for more than 2 turns or so (depending on board size)

Some armies like guard can grab the firepower in a game like this, but eldar dont really have anything that can do much to them.
Banshees are about the main thing i can think of.
Power weps, quick moving, decent initiative.

Just need to make sure you get the charge.

Using Star Engines on a standard 48" by 72" board you can easily stay back by star engine boosting far away and then shooting for a turn. You start in reserve, he deep strikes or walks on and you can start to play keep away by boosting 36" over his line as they either move up, or spend time spreading out into a line of large fanned out circle.

I've had a friend who did counter him with 2 full platoons of more than 40 lascannons...
And yea, I will test out my frisms

Howling Banshees will get smashed off charge or on.

Horrible idea to use them.

Since he is being TFG... I assume all his DC have JPs , have 2 TH each/or PW, and are led by Lemartes?

Rough.

How big is the table? Leading them astray is gonna be difficult unless its HUGE. Is he using 2 squads of 30?

If there's no turn limit you can take sky leaping hawks

Okay so kind of idiotic. But, if he's really being TFG there are going to be some storm shields (or a lot of storm shields) in that DC unit, meaning no real counter to them. Prisms will be ineffective because they'll at least get FNP unless you do the small shot (about 2 dead guys a turn if they don't have storm shields).

Best bet is likely star cannon war walkers. Or you could do fully upgraded star cannon falcons (works about the same as the prisms but a bit more reliable).