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Dissatisfaction with the current codex has been discussed to death. But what reasonable changes would you like to see in the next one, besides Oh ____ needs its point cost reduced by X? And we all know the Legions aren't coming back.

I have a few that I'd like to see.

0-1 Chaos Daemon Allied Units. I'd like to see the option to take one or two allied units straight from the Chaos Daemons book, summoned the same way as now.

I think the only way Mark of Tzeentch on Sorcerors justifies its points cost is to automatically pass Psychic tests, which makes sense for followers of a god of magic. Speaking of Psychic powers I'd like to see the selection expanded and Chaos Sorcerors become more interesting. Maybe teleporting around with some daemonic gateway shenanigans or mind control like the old Tzeentch Twisting Path but with more effect.

Vehicle God dedication. I'd like to see God-specific vehicle upgrades.

Cult Terminators, Berzerker Terminators, Noise Terminators, Plague Terminators, Rubric Terminators. Make it happen.

For those two let's face it, God specific units are what makes Chaos awesome. Building on that point, it'd be nice to see a small bonus for mono-God armies.

New Special characters, we've had the current cast for a while. Ideally a cast that isn't 75% suck.

Ummm did you read my mind or something cause that is what i would really enjoy seeing since they really dont seem to be doing Legions codices.
It would be really nice to see something other than our crappy LRs. Also like the idea of variant termies since termicides are one of the few effective ways for chaos termies. Making new special characters is probably a given since the recent codex updates have included them.

Man plague termis would be hard as hell to kill straight up. 2+/invuln/fnp t7? I dont think they'd be playing around. I think tzeench should do something like the eldar runes, like 3d6 or a d6 to negate perils roll.

Or maybe something like always succeeds (unless negated) and only roll to see if perils happens. However I think thats how psyker power normally works..

Maybe of tzeench, they give them the ability to never be affected by thenkgs like shadow of the warp or whatnot.some kind of gate power would be nice, or maybe a time loop/paradox power that lets you redo a shooting or combat phase for that one unit. Id like to see the non cult armies get some love. The alpha legions and night lords have been outside of the eye of terror, they should be veterans without peer.

I would love to see a fearless Chaos Lords Retinue unit/Honour guard variant. A lot of the Chaos SC seems under equipped and overpriced, so these issues need to be addressed with additional wargear/rules/stat upgrades etc.

Also the entire fast attack section of the book would need to be fixed. Either make bikers/raptors cheaper or give them an additional rules/stat upgrades to make them more useable (A2 bikers and hit and run raptors were awesome in the previous CSM book). I would also suggest the inclusion of some additional units to "bulk up" the fast attack section such as some fast attack daemons, combat bikers, land speeders etc.

Also something needs to be done about Chaos Dreads. Either remove fire frenzy or fix fire frenzy so it is not stupid. CSM players should not have to take defilers because dreads are broken

I don't play Chaos, but I like the suggestions.

Rules for Iron Warriors and Night Lords armies.


RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! *slams fist on desk*

I don't care that you said they aren't coming back, I want Legion rules. We have to use unofficial Tempus Fugitives rules for our Apoc. games so that we can differentiate play style between legions...and get our Primarchs on the table. Not gonna lie, Alpharius and Omegon beat the crap out of loyalists like nobody's business.

JEB_Stuart wrote:I don't care that you said they aren't coming back, I want Legion rules. We have to use unofficial Tempus Fugitives rules for our Apoc. games so that we can differentiate play style between legions...and get our Primarchs on the table. Not gonna lie, Alpharius and Omegon beat the crap out of loyalists like nobody's business.

I want Codex: Thousand Sons as much as anyone but you have to know with the way Games Workshop is going it probably isn't happening.

Better Possessed.

Agreed, but you asked what we wanted, and I answered. I fully know that it is unrealistic, but put simply: that is my first wish.

If they don't wanna do full blown legion rule, then make it so you can make each Lord into a Legion Lord that gives that Legion's rule to the army. Probably the best we can hope for...and make Chaos Lords a viable choice in an army.

I'd love to see more Chaos weirdness. Things like the Blight Drone imperial armour has. Things to make them less like angry emo marines with some really crappy versions of the Space Marine toys...too much of there gear is stuff they took with them or looted, and not enough is driven by a maddened Lord of Change strapped to the front.

Failing that, some Chaos only versions of the vehicles (beyond Daemonic Possesion) would be cool. Assault capable Rhinos for Berserker squads and such.

Oh, and Dreadclaws.

Id like drop pods, razor backs, and land speeders and I would be happy to be honest.
Be cool to have some god specific lesser/greater deamons.
I do not want what I saw in the space marine codex, where its ,for example, 90 pts for a 5 man tatc squad and then 16pts more per man after that. Id have to redo a very long excell spread sheet.

epil wrote:Id like drop pods, razor backs, and land speeders... I do not want what I saw in the space marine codex...

Oh irony, you bitch.

Just my opinion, but the last thing we need is more stuff copy pasted from the Space Marines.

Viable rules for all CSM Legions.

More choice - less random for possessed.
Possession for dreadnoughts - reduce BS but eliminate Crazed.
Maybe a 2 wound champion character, like loyalist chaplains.
Full rules for Dark Apostles!

I'd like my old Iron Warriors rules back, so I can field 9 Oblits, a Basilisk, and 3 Defilers.

I kid, I kid.

But, more seriously, I'd like to see cult armies with specific daemon choices come back. There's no reason Death Guard armies shouldn't take Plague Bearers. Call it one unit of specific daemons per appropriate cult squad, maybe.

Another thing that would be good in conjunction with the previous suggestion: more exploration of the relationship of the non-aligned Legions with minor Chaos gods and the upper crust of greater daemons. I think that generic lesser daemon packs and greater daemons are a good idea that could fit a lot more into the Alpha Legion, Iron Warriors, etc. with some more fluff. (As an aside, I saw someone demonstrate mixing a Necron box with a Bloodletter box, and it looked completely awesome for IW daemons.)

Chaos dreads need to lose the insanity rule, or at least make it a little more friendly to movement-oriented armies, even if it comes at a points increase.

And, finally, I'd like to see a fast attack vehicle choice of some sort. I'm not sure what it would be; definitely not a land speeder, but perhaps some sort of raiding/scout buggy. Maybe it could have scout, fast, and some kind of outflanking bonus? I'm thinking a heavy weapon plus twin-linked special weapon in terms of armament (eg, plasma cannon + TL-melta).

Berserker, Noise, Plague and Rubric Terminators.
God-dedicated vehicles (specially Dreadnoughts!)
Some Iron Warriors character!

Bring back 3.5 and all will be good. .

I want my Thousand Sons to make those pansy Eldar Farseers look like IG Sanctioned Psykers.

I'd like to see fluff-based rewards around the gods. For example I have a Slaanesh 750pt force that is all in squads of 6... because I like to adhere to the story. It's made me suffer in some games because it's non-optimal, massively, so it'd be nice to be rewarded in some way.

Sanctjud wrote:Bring back 3.5 and all will be good. .

Eff that, two wound Thousand Sons were cool and all but at 25 points they were worse than they are now.

Not to mention Ahriman...

Is there a new codex announced or something or is this a what if type of thread?

@Nitros14:

Who said I wanted TS to get a boost?
Eff the Dust Buckets is more like it.

I'd like to see more and cheaper wargear options for lords, a wider range of psychic power for sorcs and DPs, more demon-engines like the defiler, some sort of psychic defense, more interesting fast attack, markable lesser/greater demons, less random possessed and dreads, chosen with 2A each (they're meant to be more veteran than SM vets for feth sake). A drop in the cost of 1Ksons.

That would sort of all of the major game play problems with the book.

...or the 3.5 dex back (outflanking everything thanks to army wide infiltrate, elite oblits, DPs strong enough to kill entire armies by themselves...hmmm I remember why they toned down this codex now...).

Unique chaos vehicle variants would definitely be nice. Things like puss cannons, noise weaponry...etc.

Since the president has been set now, a Tzeentch Dreadnought capable of using psychic powers would be great.

Also, while I think it's unlikely, I'd like to see them include a cultist unit. Give them (and the daemons) the ability to take an icon so they're not completely boring and generic.

Sanctjud wrote:@Nitros14:

Who said I wanted TS to get a boost?
Eff the Dust Buckets is more like it.

You and your bloated tubs of lard will suffer for this outrage.

Pfft, don't be angry at me.
It's GW that doesn't love you.

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Bring back DoomRider.
Bring back DoomFists.

Remember the lesser psychic power Siren? Yea, bring that back and lets see the Siren/Lash combo LAWL!

What I'd want? No Daemons. If they want daemons, they can use Allies rules.

Codex: Chaos Daemons it he only reason I might be into a chaos army, as marines who are angry at their dad have even less pull than normal marines...