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Change and change until Change is our master, for nothing neither God nor mortal can hold that which has no form. Change is the constant that cannot be changed.
No game of chess can be won without pawns, and this may prove to be a very long game.
Faith and Fire is the only one I actually recommend right now. A great deal of BL books bash Sisters quite a bit.
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There was once a great graphic novel called 'Daemonifuge' about a Sister of Battle, but they canceled it for some reason (didn't even let the storyline finish). Not sure where you can get it legally...but there are torrents...
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Daemonifuge was finally done in four parts and for a while was released in a singular book. I was able to obtain a copy for rather cheap.
Daemonifuge starts off well but then they kill off a convent.
Grey Knights purge a Black Templar Battle Barge of everyone.
Eldar show up, dark eldar show up.
The prophetic opening lines are finally explained and rendered null and void in the total amount of about three pages in a scene that is far to over the top even for BL and then they just lose any direction they had and end it on a vague note that she may now be able to go to the Black Library, but no promises.
An entertaining read but lack of direction and sticking to fluff ruin it.
That and the writers admitted once when they were asked, they didn’t really stick to fluff as they should’ve for entertainment purposes.
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The thing is many BL authors don't fully stick to the fluff. Such as adding a twin primarch or making power weapons into normal weapons. Thus when ever reading BL always take it with a grain of salt.
But so far it just Faith and Fire. BL will be releasing an audio book which will be the prequel to Faith and Fire.
At one time I read a comic about a SoB that was captured by the DE and converted into a pit fighter, I think at the end she earned her freedom and became part of the DE. I am not sure what the point was other than it underlined the DE fluff that a DE can be anyone, as they enslave as many as they kill, and force the slaves into their ways.
SoB have always been kinda an army I don't really like..
Females in 40k is cool, I styled my IG army with a lot of the female metal models, just to get the mix, so it has little to do with the fact they are all chicks.. I think Catholic school nuns in the late 80s, early 90s way have just messed me up a tad..
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I enjoyed Faith and Fire right up until the...
Spoiler:
Gotcha.
I wouldn't mind a Sister of Battle book that went along the Caiphas Cain lines. A Sister of Battle who doesn't buy into all that faith stuff, but is surrounded by religious nuts and has to put up with it. That would be a good un'.
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thegrav wrote:At one time I read a comic about a SoB that was captured by the DE and converted into a pit fighter, I think at the end she earned her freedom and became part of the DE. I am not sure what the point was other than it underlined the DE fluff that a DE can be anyone, as they enslave as many as they kill, and force the slaves into their ways.
You described a part of Daemonifuge, in which the protagonist is indeed thrown in a DE arena. I don't remember that she become part of the Dark Eldar, however. IIRC, she becomes too popular as an arena fighter, and her masters send assassins to dispose of her.
I'm currently reading "Grey Knights". The sister heve just been mentionned for now, I hope later in the book we'll see them in action.
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I read a fanfic about a Sister of Battle who discovered she liked the Fire (burning people) more than the Faith (praying) and joined a Khorne Warband. Basically, she gets it on with Kharn (who's not such a bad guy). Not incredibly canon, but definitely entertaining.
Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
thegrav wrote:At one time I read a comic about a SoB that was captured by the DE and converted into a pit fighter, I think at the end she earned her freedom and became part of the DE. I am not sure what the point was other than it underlined the DE fluff that a DE can be anyone, as they enslave as many as they kill, and force the slaves into their ways.
You described a part of Daemonifuge, in which the protagonist is indeed thrown in a DE arena. I don't remember that she become part of the Dark Eldar, however. IIRC, she becomes too popular as an arena fighter, and her masters send assassins to dispose of her.
I'm currently reading "Grey Knights". The sister heve just been mentionned for now, I hope later in the book we'll see them in action.
You do. Major spoiler:
Spoiler:
The Sisters are tricked by the Rogue/Chaos inquisitor under orders from Ghargotuloth to daemon price. They're told the grey knights are 'fake' and are actually chaos tainted. The Sisters are like OMG ORDO MALLEUS INQUISITOR ALL THE GUARD ARE LISTENING TO HIM. SO WE SHOULD TOOO They then get their asses kicked by the Grey Knights, till the cannoness realises their mistake. They then join forces with the grey knights and kick Daemon Butt! (They all get killed. Three Grey Knights survive)
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Emperors Faithful wrote:I enjoyed Faith and Fire right up until the...
Spoiler:
Gotcha.
? That was one of my favourite bits
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Yes, and all of this is continued evidence of GW really seeming to despise the Sisters. Apparently they only like fluff involving musclebound old bald men.
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"And what are the achievements of your fragile Imperium? It is a corpse rotting slowly from within while maggots writhe in its belly. It was built with the toil of heroes and giants, and now it is inhabited by frightened weaklings to whom the glories of those times are half-forgotten legends."
"Faith and Fire" is THE "Sororitas novel, as it tries to portray most aspects of this organisation. It's an okay novel, not the best but not bad either.
"Grey Knights" has also some coverage of a Sororitas army in battle. While the novel is one of my favorites, Sororitas are not the main theme of it, still a good and encouraging representation of them (with an army composition that many WH players use). BTW it also features a female Inquisitor as a main character (not related to the Sororitas army).
Lets be honest, if GW wanted to make a Sororitas novel (that sold), it would end up as a bad fanficition AND YOU DAMN WELL KNOW IT!
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Gwar! wrote:Lets be honest, if GW wanted to make a Sororitas novel (that sold), it would end up as a bad fanficition AND YOU DAMN WELL KNOW IT!
If your not going to say anything useful then don't say anything that all. Hate how everyone keeps bashing them cause their females.
I'm not bashing them. I am bashing GW.
A Sororitas novel that was well done and actually played to their strengths would be awesome. But GW is GW and they pander to 15 year olds, so it will just be an over the top silly fanfic involving high levels of promiscuity.
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Gwar! wrote:I'm not bashing them. I am bashing GW.
A Sororitas novel that was well done and actually played to their strengths would be awesome. But GW is GW and they pander to 15 year olds, so it will just be an over the top silly fanfic involving high levels of promiscuity.
Well you could have easily said that instead of what you said originally.
Necrosis wrote:Hate how everyone keeps bashing them cause their females.
Well, in every BL novel the heroes get an incredible bashing beyond hope but somehow win in the end, be it male or female.
The Sororitas army in "Grey Knights" fights quite successful BTW.
Kroothawk: For example, in Cain's Last Stand, an entire convent turns to chaos (supposedly anyway, IIRC they were mind-controlled, which isn't the same thing, but people always claim it is so for whatever reason)..
In Duty Calls, an entire convent of Sisters are wiped out after being tricked by a radical Inquisitor.
In Redemption Corps, once again an entire convent turns to chaos, and the Sisters in general are mischaracterized.
In the Armageddon fluff, practically an entire Order of Sisters are wiped out.
In the most recent IA fluff, an entire convent of Sisters is wiped out because of a radical Inquisitor wanting to cover their tracks.
There's a pattern here,... GW and BL are notoriously unkind to the Sisters of Battle. They rip them apart, they destroy them, they corrupt them, they let them fail time and time again, and almost seem to glorify the fact that Sisters cannot seem to actually FIGHT WORTH A DAMN, and then seem confused that the Sisters don't sell. There are a couple exceptions of course-- Faith and Fire issort of an exception, for example. Relic, of all people, have been the ones to give Sisters the most press, and the most respect. There's a lot of awesome rerfrences to Sisters in DoW2., for example...
Spoiler:
It is revealed that at one point, after Isadore's original betrayal during the Tartarus campaign, the third company were particularly grim, having low morale. But a single Sister Hospitalier dared to get in front of them, and bless the nearest soldier's bolter. That bolter became a relic, called the Bringer of Hope, because it is siad that at that moment the entire company became convinced the planet was indeed worth saving. Just having the bolter equipped reduces corruption in the marine using it.
Not the only one, but the one that sticks out in my mind...
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Gwar! wrote:I'm not bashing them. I am bashing GW.
A Sororitas novel that was well done and actually played to their strengths would be awesome. But GW is GW and they pander to 15 year olds, so it will just be an over the top silly fanfic involving high levels of promiscuity.
Well you could have easily said that instead of what you said originally.
He did say that. What he said originally implied that perfectly.
And he's right. As much as I dislike the way the Sisters are portrayed in most BL books, I dread to think what'd happen if BL tried to portray them positively.
Faith and Fire is a rather neutral tone. The sisters in it are often incompettant or just a bit pointless as characters, but they sort-of win in the end and the author is willing to allow that they at least try to do the right thing, even if they mostly fail.
To the OP - pick up a copy of the BL anthology 'Let the Galaxy Burn'. It's worth it for one story alone - 'Daemonblood'. The story of an arse-kicking, soul-searching faithful AND human Seraphim Superior as she spends a large portion of her life hunting down an Ultramarine who fell to Chaos.
Spoiler:
She redeems him with the power of her faith.
Yes, the best of the Black Library's efforts is a forgotten short story buried halfway through a not-very-good anthology.
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Azezel wrote:And he's right. As much as I dislike the way the Sisters are portrayed in most BL books, I dread to think what'd happen if BL tried to portray them positively.
As opposed to when BL tries to portray Marines positively? Or Guard? Or... anything?
I'd take that over the faction constantly being trashed and abused any day.
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Please, don't even get me started on Space Marine novels. Blegh.
I believe there was a mission of sisters involved in a Last Chancers novel against Tyranids weren't there? In all fairness they make a good account of themselves.
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It's very possible to portray Sisters positively without being fanwank... it's just that we don't think BL would do it. But I personally would prefer a fanwank novel to the alternative... more of what we have.
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Like I said, a sister with a more reasonable (Caiphas Cain) look at things surrounded by zealots could work I think. It would at times pay sisters out, but it could work.
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Yeah, that's not likely to happen. GW needs to keep its sausage ratio up a bit higher than that.
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They then get their asses kicked by the Grey Knights, till the cannoness realises their mistake. They then join forces with the grey knights and kick Daemon Butt! (They all get killed. Three Grey Knights survive)
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