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Except they lost their homeworld...

Actually it's the Cain books primarily.

...and?
By all account the ass-whooping they've handed out has more than made up for it.

Yeah but at the moment the Tanith are what Not good odds overall.. Slow Genocide is still genocide.


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Melissia wrote:Actually it's the Cain books primarily.

Ah must be a bit more forgiving.. Abnett is not afraid of killing guard characters. Or anyone for that matter..

I don't mean to bag Dan Abnett or the Tanith 1st. It's just that Sisters involvement seems to only occur on a mediocre level, instead of anything major or critical.

In the Deamon Hunters Book. "We kicked traitor guard ass! Oh yeah, and the sisters helped."

Armageddon. IG and orks both kicked ass. Oh yeah, and the Sisters helped but got thier ass kicked.

Necrons. Sisters were the first to get their ass kicked.

Last Chancers. Sisters did well enough. But they've got power armour and crap so it don't count. (That actually what he says)

See where I'm going with this? Sisters involvement seems to be at the mediocre, ass end of the kicking, and only dishes it out against traitors and other guys that Space Marines apparently eat for breakfast. I would like to see a piece of fluff where it says "Sisters got hurt bad, BUT this time THEY kicked ass."


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@thegrav: Pure blood Tanith? Yeah, sure. But the Tanith Regiment (so to speak) is actually quite strong.


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Eh, Like I said, if the new Codex kicks ass! I may look at them again seriously. It may be better to make noise at GW and BL about the SoB fluff, just saying.

A combined Inquistion Codex will kick ass. I expect the Sisters of Battle will help.

Emperors Faithful wrote:A combined Inquistion Codex will kick ass.

No, it woudl not. In fact, if GW did it, it would be a disaster that destroys all three factions involved.

The ONLY way for a combined codex to do three separate and widely different factions justice (four, in fact, if you include deathwatch, which themselves have a markedly different history) is if it was three times as large as the Space Marines codex-- a huge fluff section which itself could be the size of a normal codex, sixty to ninety units in the army list section, and a massive painting section that gives due focus to all of the factions.

If GW combined the factions, they would not do this.

Are you folks trying to highjack another Sororitas thread with an off topic flame war?

Wait, people are flaming in this thread?

Off-topic, yeah, but I don't see flaming..

Mel, you get seriously heated really fast. Or at least that is the way it comes across.

So final word on this is?? The fluff that exists sucks, and there is nothing in the Grim haze of their future?

As if I'm the only one

There's a bit of stuff. For example, they saw models of a new Repentia Mistress, and a character who had two storm bolters.

LOL. Read the chaos books where they fight the imperium if you want some real ownage fluff
Storm of Iron is pretty cool on that count. Dark Creed was a bit of a let down. Three marines survived out of 5 white scars companies. They should've all died imo

Melissia wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:A combined Inquistion Codex will kick ass.

No, it woudl not. In fact, if GW did it, it would be a disaster that destroys all three factions involved.

The ONLY way for a combined codex to do three separate and widely different factions justice (four, in fact, if you include deathwatch, which themselves have a markedly different history) is if it was three times as large as the Space Marines codex-- a huge fluff section which itself could be the size of a normal codex, sixty to ninety units in the army list section, and a massive painting section that gives due focus to all of the factions.

If GW combined the factions, they would not do this.

Witch Hunters. Deamon Hunters. Xeno Hunters/DeathWatch. Counting only 3 so far. ()

I'm not going to claim that GW is going to give more attention to the Inquisition than Space Marines, but I don't think a Combined Codex would be any bigger than the current IG codex at most. That is, unless there was a severe makeover in how the armies were organised. Even so, a Combined Inquisition Codex would be wicked cool. IF (big if) GW doesn't screw it up.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Counting only 3 so far. ()

Sisters of Battle, Grey Knights, Inquisition, Deathwatch.

Four factions.

but I don't think a Combined Codex would be any bigger than the current IG codex at most.

And that's precisely why it would suck. Sisters/Ecclesiarchy alone already have eleven units. Grey Knights have eight, Inquisition (in total) has effectively seven. That's 24-26 units depending on how you count the Adepta Sororitas Heroine choices or Grey Knight Hero choices... and this does NOT count Deathwatch. Add in another five or six for Deathwatch, and that's as large as 5th edition C:IG

So basically they would add nothing to ANY of the factions. There would be no expansion, there would be only stagnation.

I would prefer a 'Super-Dex' with the choice to mix-and-match instead of 4 very specialised codexes with thier own locked-in combat method.

Ideally for me it would be the HQ choice that allows the army player to select the 'theme' of thier army. But this is a 3rd Generation SoB player talking, and I'm guessing you and Manchu have been around since 2nd ed.

Emperors Faithful wrote:I would prefer a 'Super-Dex' with the choice to mix-and-match instead of 4 very specialised codexes with thier own locked-in combat method.

And I would prefer four codices that don't suck to one codex that does.

Yes, you are right. I very, VERY firmly believe that the Inquisition should not have been stuffed in my third edition Sisters of Battle codex.

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thegrav wrote:@Melissa: You are reading the Gaunt's Ghost books right? Cause if you are and you don't think that the Tanith are dieing in droves you need your head checked... You are a huge SoB fan so I can understand your needs and wants.. But BL wipes up blood in port-a-potty's with the IG ALL the time!

Actually, the Tanith themselves seem to get off relatively lightly when compared to the much voiced "ZOMG's the Guardsmens are dyings!" in many codexes, all of which find it easiest to wail on the IG. The only time where the Tanith 1st seriously took a beating was the third book, Necropolis I think, and they were refreshed with new characters and Hiveworlders afterwards. Sure, the IG regiment to the right and left get's the crap beaten out of them, but the Tanith always seem to pull through with minimal casualties.

*Spoiler*

The Regiment took 50% fatalaties in Blood Pact. And they take over 50% Losses again in Necropolis and Ghostmaker. All while not be able to get replacements from their homeworld No author is as unkind to his characters than Dan Abnett to the Tanith.

I love you, cold unfeeling Canadian helper guy!

You do realise that these casualties are more often than not the nameless/quickly named grunts? These are ussually quickly replaced by reinforcements. It rarely kills off anyone with sergeant status or higher.



That said, I am most definitely not bagging the work of Dan Abnett.

@Melissia: Like I said, I would prefer one decent codex to four silly little ones. A sisters codex would be even smaller than the current WH codex (if the fluff level remained about the same give or take a page or two). And if anything we are seeing an increase in codex size, not a reduction. The GK codex would be even smaller. I'm hoping for a Super Inquisition codex, but I realise it's not the most likely thing to happen. What is even less likely is that Sisters will be seperated again, it's more probable that the WH codex will remain exactly that, the WH codex.

EF, what evidence or logic is your "most likely remain WH" statement based on? I see you making this claim over and over but it doesn't seem to have any basis in reality other than there currently being a C:WH. The inertia of GW may itself be an argument but I'd say it's a rather weak one. AFAIK, there are no rumors to support a stand-alone SoB dex, a combined Inq dex, or C:WH v.2--although rumors of a coming GK update would indicate that the second option is least viable (but the rumor mill has been pretty gak since BA came out, keep in mind). Going on logic alone, I have argued many times that a stand-alone (read: Sisters-focused) dex would be the best possible product and I've yet to come across a convincing counterargument. That certainly isn't the same thing as saying it is most likely, however.

Emperors Faithful wrote:@Melissia: Like I said, I would prefer one decent codex to four silly little ones. A sisters codex would be even smaller than the current WH codex (if the fluff level remained about the same give or take a page or two).

A combined codex will not be decent, because it would not add anything to the factions being crammed into such a craptactular book. Just adding in the 11 Sisters/Ecclesiarchy units, the 7 Grey Knights units, the 7 Inquisition units, and say 6 Deathwatch units would come up to 31 units total, basically making for a fifth edition codex. If GW received a collective head injury and decided to go this horrible route, they would basically end up just jamming WH and DH into one codex, adding deathwatch, and doing NOTHING else, basically letting the factions stagnate because iif they did anything else the codex would end up being larger than C:SM, which you, yourself said is not likely to happen.

The disastrously bad combined codex idea was rather dismissively called "pure fanwank" (although any real fan wouldn't actually want it if they think about it at all) by Jervis Johnson. He's gone on record numerous times, consistently over the past year, saying there will be two codices, one which focuses on the Grey Knights, one which focuses on the Sisters.

You codex ideas are interesting, however they are off topic as this thread is about books.

I think there hasn't been much focus on Sisters because of the largely male audience of the game and the novels.

I showed a friend of mine a picture of Saint Celestine because I'm thinking about doing a sisters army next, and she's one of the prettiest models I've seen. My friend says "She's all right but she's not sexy enough. I don't want to do her." He then proceeds to show me pics of models from other games that have more cleavage.

Your friend is douchey.

So anyway, back on topic... supposedly there's a prequel to Faith and Fire coming out, but I've heard conflicting reports as to who actually is writing it... I think Sandy Mitchel, but I hope not as he tends to hate Sisters.

You need a chaos writer to do it. The sisters will kill everyone. There's a nice bit in Dark Apostle where the word bearers nail Sisters and clergy to a statue. And they leave them there alive

This doesn't need to be hard. BL could put out a "Battles of the Space Marines" style book about Sisters dealing with a war of faith. Have Ben Counter or Matt Farrer write it--and not Sandy Mitchell. That would do the job.

thegrav wrote:I love you, cold unfeeling Canadian helper guy!

Thanks!


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Emperors Faithful wrote:You do realise that these casualties are more often than not the nameless/quickly named grunts? These are ussually quickly replaced by reinforcements. It rarely kills off anyone with sergeant status or higher.

Spoiler:

Hence my utter surpise and manly bawl at Corbec's death in Sabbat Matyr

.

Yes, but those replacements aren't Tanith. Whenever there's a huge battlescene with lots of ghost Causalties I always hope its Belladon guys (which it is because they're not as Hardened as the Tanith). Don't get me wrong the Belladon are good guys but they aren't as cool and not on the verge of extinction like the Tanith.

Once again they are no "quick rienforcements." The 1st has been reinforced majorly twice. After vervunhive and then with the Belladon. All other reinforcements include in totality: 2 commisars, 1 priest and a kid named Dalin Creed!

But the thing is, they are reinforced, hence when you hear that the Tanith suffered over 1000+ casualties in a battle, you assume that they were mostly Belladon guys. It's not as much of a punch to the gut as it used to be.

@Mellissia and Manchu: I'd be happy to continue this conversation and get lamblasted by the both of you, but it should be in a seperate thread and I don't want to drag this off topic. I'll start one up (again ) when I get back, or you can start one now.

No, there is really no need for another of those threads. Just be careful about starting rumors when you're really just stating an opinion.