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Does it make any sense to make a point of not buying gas (or anything else for that matter) from BP stations due to this accident?

Are they really doing all that is possible to remedy this spill/leak?

Why are gas prices going up? Oil is more plentiful now.

Short of stealing a nuclear warhead, yeah, I'd say so. Its not like they lack motivation, as the leak is a significant financial burden.

My only complaint about boycotting getting gas from BP stations is that typically, those gas stations are independently run businesses that just happen to be using BP as their provider/distributor. While I have no issues with people choosing to boycott BP, it does have the unintended effect of hurting someone who barely has anything to do with BP.

The thing that I find amusing is that Obama, who I do actually have decent amount of respect for, is constantly blaming BP and making them out as the spawn of satan, when the original Blowout was caused by shoddy cementing by Halliburton, an american company, and the actual drilling was performed by Transocean, an american company...

Goliath wrote:The thing that I find amusing is that Obama, who I do actually have decent amount of respect for, is constantly blaming BP and making them out as the spawn of satan, when the original Blowout was caused by shoddy cementing by Halliburton, an american company, and the actual drilling was performed by Transocean, an american company...

If you were any more wrong you'd be French.

I'll stick to public stuff.
BP was the toolpusher. BP, by industry practice and contract, managed, oversaw, and approved all actions. BP ordered the type of casing used and ordered that it be used over objection. Thats why they couldn't use the proper muds and cementing again over objection.

Buy more Albert crude! Go oilsands, now only the second largest man-made environmental disaster on Earth!

Obama is a typical politican, spinning things for his own agenda, BP are operating at depths unheard of to try and cap the leak, and he is going on and on and on about it, but they are doing their best surely? Its costing them a fortune and money talks.

They should say to him "go on then, you fix it with a miracle and we will give you ten billion dollars"

Its just spin, if he could get it capped then he would do and screw what BP say.

As for the dakka lot, its just more ridiculously jingostic nonsense from Frazz et all because the company has the word "British" in it. Im sure they wouldnt be bleating as much if it was Exxon again, and im sure no oil company purposely blows up a rig. gak happens, i dont see the need to be childish about it and start talking conspiracy or some such nonsense.

Honestly though, i speak to my missus on a daily basis and then then i speak with the aggresively patriotic bible thumping no such thing as global warming Obama is the spawn of satan gun toting dakka republicans and im truly stunned the South hasnt just went and formed another country, because they two different "types" of American im seeing must mix about as well as oil and water...

Oil and water? Geddit!?

mattyrm wrote:Obama is a typical politican, spinning things for his own agenda, BP are operating at depths unheard of to try and cap the leak, and he is going on and on and on about it, but they are doing their best surely? Its costing them a fortune and money talks.

They should say to him "go on then, you fix it with a miracle and we will give you ten billion dollars"

Its just spin, if he could get it capped then he would do and screw what BP say.

True that (PM sent FYI).
Although if I were more of a liberal mindsight I'd just pull a Chavez and seize all their assets and put their CEO on show trial if he were in the US.

As for the dakka lot, its just more ridiculously jingostic nonsense from Frazz et all because the company has the word "British" in it. Im sure they wouldnt be bleating as much if it was Exxon again, and im sure no oil company purposely blows up a rig. gak happens, i dont see the need to be childish about it and start talking conspiracy or some such nonsense.

Wo HO! You don't remember Exxon Valdez. I do. You'd be wrong.
Who's saying it was purposeful?
who's saying its a conspiracy?

Honestly though, i speak to my missus on a daily basis and then then i speak with the aggresively patriotic bible thumping no such thing as global warming Obama is the spawn of satan gun toting dakka republicans and im truly stunned the South hasnt just went and formed another country, because they two different "types" of American im seeing must mix about as well as oil and water...

Oil and water? Geddit!?

Wo, for your analysis to be correct, the Obama would have to be an aggressive Bible thumping dakka republican. I really missed that call...

If Obama thought he could fix it he would have taken over trying to do so long ago. The fact that he hasnt allows him to make lots of noise and say 'lets take action' as if he was actually going to do something.

BP has to pay a lot of people who have lost their jobs, if BP lost their income because everyone boycotted them (which would never happen), then they would not be able to pay all these jobless people on the coast.

Yes, Saint Obama is starting to get on my nerves. He should either chill out and go play with his weird cross breed poodle or help find a solution. I would also point out that BP employs quite a few Americans, a number of whom one assumes were involved in this little enterprise.

Even if you boycott their gas station they have already said that they sell gas to other stations.

mattyrm wrote:
They should say to him "go on then, you fix it with a miracle and we will give you ten billion dollars"

Sounds like a good deal to me. One nuclear warhead for sufficient capital to produce quite a few more. Of course, we're currently reducing our current warhead stockpile, and the resulting pressure wave would have a good chance of taking out the two relief wells being drilled, so its probably not the best option.

Thing is when Obama said nothing Fox and friends roasted him. Remember them saying this was his Katrina? I think he spoke up because when he was quiet Rush started to say he was in with the BP people. At this point nothing he can do is right.

I will never buy oil from BP now, unless I aboslutely positively have to.

Thing is, BP has a pretty crappy record outside of this.

And it is silly that it is easier to have a go at BP because they’re perceived as British. Multinational companies are just that, multinational. Their priorities have nothing to do with any they may have originated on, or what country they might be listed in (BP is on the NY stock exchange in addition to London, by the way).


And Obama is just sounding off, making an effort to look strong and like he’s contributing. The people who’d bag Obama would bag him for being silent, just like they bag him for making noise. The noise machine will be the noise machine.

sexiest_hero wrote:Thing is when Obama said nothing Fox and friends roasted him. Remember them saying this was his Katrina? I think he spoke up because when he was quiet Rush started to say he was in with the BP people. At this point nothing he can do is right.

Environmental disasters are always touchy political issues for the President. On the one hand, they can't be completely ignored, on the other, they can't be the central focus of attention. The President is generally supposed to be a voice of leadership, and in my opinion that means avoiding emotional rhetoric as much as possible. Obama did a far better job of this on the campaign, and even on the health care issue, than he has so far managed to do with respect to the oil spill.

In part this is a reflection of the disposition within the environmentalist community, which truly does engage with environmental catastrophes on an emotional level. However, I think the major reason behind the character of Obama's response has been the criticism of his style as being overly distant, and intellectual. To my mind, it was a mistake to respond to this criticism. From what I've heard said of him by various people who have known him throughout his career, he really is a distant intellectual, which explains why he seems so disingenuous when he wants to seem angry.

Were I to have been the President's adviser, I would have recommended that one press conference be given over entirely to the oil spill. Other than that, I would have left any specifics to the cabinet, or chief of staff; especially given the an economy threatening to enter a recession.

Nurglitch wrote:Buy more Albert crude! Go oilsands, now only the second largest man-made environmental disaster on Earth!

I second this motion.

I think the whole thing is just a big conspiracy that the Brits are doing to get back at us for rebelling almost 300 years ago.

First we control your TV through Cowell, then we shut down your oil supply...

so that's your communications and transport infrastruicture dealt with.

There's no way we'd invade in the summer though , far too hot.

Beware!!! Canadians are just Brits in disguise!! I've seen the coins!! You can't fool me!!

How about boycotting all gas? I decided to try to stop using my car three months ago. It's absolutely no problem. I live in a city, which helps, but so do most people. Now I just start it a couple of times a week for 10 minutes so it doesn't freeze up.

That's what will make a difference.

Plus you can't believe how much money I am saving!!! HA! MORE MODELS!!

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:I will never buy oil from BP now, unless I aboslutely positively have to.

(looks at checking account balance to make sure no one mysteriously added $1.0 million).
I too will join this boycott and promise to not buy an Aston Marton, Jaguar, or Rolls Royce for the next six months.

Frazzled wrote:

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:I will never buy oil from BP now, unless I aboslutely positively have to.

(looks at checking account balance to make sure no one mysteriously added $1.0 million).
I too will join this boycott and promise to not buy an Aston Marton, Jaguar, or Rolls Royce for the next six months.

Ha ha Suckers, more for me.

Astins and Rollers gotta catch em all!

(aren't most Jags are just Ford Mondeos these days? You are right to boycott them).

notprop wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:I will never buy oil from BP now, unless I aboslutely positively have to.

(looks at checking account balance to make sure no one mysteriously added $1.0 million).
I too will join this boycott and promise to not buy an Aston Marton, Jaguar, or Rolls Royce for the next six months.

Ha ha Suckers, more for me.

Astins and Rollers gotta catch em all!

(aren't most Jags are just Ford Mondeos these days? You are right to boycott them).

Yes on all counts.

I'm giving up caviar and Vin Mariani until this is all sorted out.

I say no to the boycott, for the simple reason that, for the most part, BP gas is one of the more expensive in the local market.

Obama is just making noise because he does not seem to actually know what to do. Most of his advisors are his chicagoland toadies. If he knew what to do he would have acted a bit sooner than 6 weeks into this.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/06/08/oil.rig.warning.signs/index.html?hpt=C1


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reds8n wrote:I'm giving up caviar and Vin Mariani until this is all sorted out.

redy gets it.

I can understand that it is quite hard to fix a leak that is a mile deep. But didn't they think about this when they put the pipeline in? What was thier contingency plan? 'We'll cross that bridge when we come to it'?
On the whole Obama front to coin a phrase much loved by our yankee cousins 'cut the guy some slack.' What do you want him to do? If he didn't mention it then everyone would say he was being paid by BP to keep it quite. So he gives them a hard time about hoping to speed them up a bit. Does anyone here really expect him to dive down himself and sort it out?