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They intentionally under reported the volume and damages of the spill for weeks and are complicit in slowing the governments reaction to the possible repercussions of the spill. While they may not have been willfully complicit (beyond industry leading negligence concerning safety practices for the last few years) in the explosion they were certainly complicit in lying to the public and the government concerning the rate of the leak. They're pretty damn guilty.
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Do you remember that time that thing happened?
This is a bad thread and you should all feel bad
Kilkrazy wrote:Okay, I did a bit of research. It turns out there is an ice cream called Neapolitan, and a pizza called Neapolitan.
Napolitano is the original Italian for Neapolitan.
Heard of Naples?
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
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ShumaGorath wrote:They intentionally under reported the volume and damages of the spill for weeks and are complicit in slowing the governments reaction to the possible repercussions of the spill. While they may not have been willfully complicit (beyond industry leading negligence concerning safety practices for the last few years) in the explosion they were certainly complicit in lying to the public and the government concerning the rate of the leak. They're pretty damn guilty.
And yet the world keeps turning.
So they stop the leak (eventually) and then do what they can to clean it up. We move on.
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Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Whichever tv pundit talked about nationalizing BP needs to be put down and have his family sold into sex slavery in eastern europe. Totally unacceptable to hurt our diplomatic relations with the UK over an oil spill. Allies>Environment.
Now that I am not on the work computer I'd be just fine with that. They fethed us, feth them.
Did you miss the part about BP being Multi-national? Britain didn't feth you, don't feth Britain.
BP is owned 40% by British companies/Individuals, and 39% by American individuals.
The Deepwater Horizon Rig was only owned 65% by BP, 25% was owned by Anadarko, a Texan company
Transocean, the company who ran the rig day to day, have been questioned related to their understaffing of the rig on the day of the accident; only 18 people were on the rig, and none of them were engineers, electricians or mechanics
Only 8 of the 126 people working on the Deepwater Horizon were BP employees.
Not all of the blame can be attributed to BP, and none at all to Britain as a whole.
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Goliath wrote:Not all of the blame can be attributed to BP, and none at all to Britain as a whole.
Well. duh.
It's all Obama's fault.
Amen to that.
What's worst is that several BP gas station owners have reported vanadalism. It's no surprise people are so narrow minded as to think the owners of BP gas stations are to blame.
God, I hate this countries population sometimes (actually most of the time, this example doesn't do much to reinstill my faith in society as a whole).
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mattyrm wrote:Obama is a typical politican, spinning things for his own agenda, BP are operating at depths unheard of to try and cap the leak, and he is going on and on and on about it, but they are doing their best surely? Its costing them a fortune and money talks.
They should say to him "go on then, you fix it with a miracle and we will give you ten billion dollars"
Its just spin, if he could get it capped then he would do and screw what BP say.
As for the dakka lot, its just more ridiculously jingostic nonsense from Frazz et all because the company has the word "British" in it. Im sure they wouldnt be bleating as much if it was Exxon again, and im sure no oil company purposely blows up a rig. gak happens, i dont see the need to be childish about it and start talking conspiracy or some such nonsense.
Honestly though, i speak to my missus on a daily basis and then then i speak with the aggresively patriotic bible thumping no such thing as global warming Obama is the spawn of satan gun toting dakka republicans and im truly stunned the South hasnt just went and formed another country, because they two different "types" of American im seeing must mix about as well as oil and water...
Oil and water? Geddit!?
I hardly call it childish to question a companies boarders on what to do to make money. Yes BP will eventually rake out billions to clean this mess up when they decide to put a stop to the leak, but until then gas prices will rise, as well as basically slingshoting Obamas bill to ban offshore drilling. Which only benifits the rich, because they'll be making billions in return in the trade for foreign oil. Is it childish to question why several BP CEOs sold stock weeks before the inccident?
Further more, My father worked for Oceaneering in the gulf for a few years. Part of his job was setting up and testing the equiptment needed to stop a leak like this. He's personally simulated these acctual events, and Oceaneering is very capable of fixing the problem.
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Goliath wrote:Not all of the blame can be attributed to BP, and none at all to Britain as a whole.
Well. duh.
It's all Obama's fault.
That is equally unfair. Obamas mask has slipped during the oil leak crisis, his visage as a statesman has expired. Obamas strength was that he appeared to the US as a leader, yet in the first true crisis that requires him to act as a presendent to be a leader has has come up short.
While Obama is partly at fault for the lack of a solution, he cannot be blamed for the problem.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Is so hard to see that its all part of a bigger picture? Too many people are getting rich for this to be an accident.
With more and more people waking up to what is really going on, which effects every country, the plans changing. Researching project Bluebeam, in relation to hasty meetings of "secret" societies. They're using the bible against the masses.
Step 1. Would invovle publicly inflicting panic, a man made rapture. It is too easy to edit a live feed on television. Reporter A interviews Religious Icon A and all of a sudden he disappears, and by this example multipule public religious Icons vanish on live t.v. What would any day to day person believe. The rapture is happening now. When everyone is left behind, people panic.
Step 2. Put in place a means to control everything from the temp. in your home, to the amount of electricity you can use. On top of inflated gas prices, and food/clothing/ etc. People are forced to do what they must to survive. Even if that means doing the very thing they're taught not to do.
Step 3. Using Project Bluebeam, ensure complete and utter Panic by projecting the face of God into the sky. People as a mass will riot in fear of being left behind. The uproar among the people will provide enough reason to put the world under massive military control.
Step 4. The overall downfall of society everywhere.
Even people with no overall knowledge, or care, have related images they've seen on television to passages in the bible. The waters will be red as blood, oil slicks on the water give a redish tint to the water. If a day to day person can make these observations, is it that hard to believe that there is more than a ooooopps, our bad.
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mattyrm wrote:Obama is a typical politican, spinning things for his own agenda, BP are operating at depths unheard of to try and cap the leak, and he is going on and on and on about it, but they are doing their best surely? Its costing them a fortune and money talks.
They should say to him "go on then, you fix it with a miracle and we will give you ten billion dollars"
Its just spin, if he could get it capped then he would do and screw what BP say.
As for the dakka lot, its just more ridiculously jingostic nonsense from Frazz et all because the company has the word "British" in it. Im sure they wouldnt be bleating as much if it was Exxon again, and im sure no oil company purposely blows up a rig. gak happens, i dont see the need to be childish about it and start talking conspiracy or some such nonsense.
Honestly though, i speak to my missus on a daily basis and then then i speak with the aggresively patriotic bible thumping no such thing as global warming Obama is the spawn of satan gun toting dakka republicans and im truly stunned the South hasnt just went and formed another country, because they two different "types" of American im seeing must mix about as well as oil and water...
Oil and water? Geddit!?
I hardly call it childish to question a companies boarders on what to do to make money. Yes BP will eventually rake out billions to clean this mess up when they decide to put a stop to the leak, but until then gas prices will rise, as well as basically slingshoting Obamas bill to ban offshore drilling. Which only benifits the rich, because they'll be making billions in return in the trade for foreign oil. Is it childish to question why several BP CEOs sold stock weeks before the inccident?
Further more, My father worked for Oceaneering in the gulf for a few years. Part of his job was setting up and testing the equiptment needed to stop a leak like this. He's personally simulated these acctual events, and Oceaneering is very capable of fixing the problem.
Ah, got you. So BP WANTS to have the value of its company slashed by 40%...
I mean, I'm happy for your Dad and everything, but this disaster is pretty much unprecedented - if fixing it was that simple it would have been done yesterday. The suggestion that they would just let oil spill into the gulf, doing untold environmental damage and costing them billions, because of some shadowy agenda, is just moronic and childish.
I think its entirely possible that safety considerations were ignored on the premise that any spill would drive up the price of crude, and therefore serve to mitigate losses. Similarly, I think its possible that company executives would sell their stock in BP before commencing an operation they acknowledged to be of significant risk. I do not think that BP intentionally allowed the spill to grow to its current proportions.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
dogma wrote:I think its entirely possible that safety considerations were ignored on the premise that any spill would drive up the price of crude, and therefore serve to mitigate losses. Similarly, I think its possible that company executives would sell their stock in BP before commencing an operation they acknowledged to be of significant risk. I do not think that BP intentionally allowed the spill to grow to its current proportions.
Oh, it's 'possible'. It's also 'possible' that 9/11 was an inside job, but no-one seriously believes that either. I find it extremely difficult to believe that a major oil company would purposefully make a move like that, especially since they would not have had a clear idea of what would happen in the event of a serious leak at that depth. And lets' be clear - they DIDN'T know what would happen for certain. If they had of known, they would have had an effective contingency plan, and we wouldn't be having this converstaion. I can't see them betting their American market on some vague notion of a short-term increase in crude prices. It would make for a *passable* Tom Clancy novel but that's about it.
*goes to check the markets*
And Brent crude (amongst others) is down for the quarter, a dip the start of which coincides with the Deepwater Horizon explosion.
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Then explain why the rig was drasticly understaffed, none of the onboard crew were engineers. Explain why the crews had to sign papers keeping them quite from the press.
As for the theory being too ridiculous, they've successfully tested the technology to do such a thing.
It's ok though i'd rather have stayed ignorant to the facts if I could go back, it would save a lot of sleepless nights thinking how im going to provide for my kid when society breaks down.
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Albatross wrote:
Oh, it's 'possible'. It's also 'possible' that 9/11 was an inside job, but no-one seriously believes that either. I find it extremely difficult to believe that a major oil company would purposefully make a move like that, especially since they would not have had a clear idea of what would happen in the event of a serious leak at that depth.
Of course not, but it wouldn't be the first time that a large organization was able to convince itself of something without proper evidential support.
Albatross wrote:
And lets' be clear - they DIDN'T know what would happen for certain. If they had of known, they would have had an effective contingency plan, and we wouldn't be having this converstaion.
Oh absolutely. I'm not suggesting that the accident was intentional, nor am I suggesting that it has been allowed to expand to its current severity. I'm only suggesting that some of the reasoning behind decisions made with respect to certain safety measures may have been less than sound for reasons that aren't what one would consider above board.
Albatross wrote:
I can't see them betting their American market on some vague notion of a short-term increase in crude prices. It would make for a *passable* Tom Clancy novel but that's about it.
Its not the sort of thing that you make money on, its the sort of thing you expect to blunt an overall loss; ie. "If this thing fails, we won't be screwed because of this process."
Albatross wrote:
And Brent crude (amongst others) is down for the quarter, a dip the start of which coincides with the Deepwater Horizon explosion.
Yeah, I'm not suggesting that rising oil prices would lead to a profitable situation, only that it might serve as a rationale for taking greater risks.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
ChaplainofAmon wrote:It's ok though i'd rather have stayed ignorant to the facts if I could go back, it would save a lot of sleepless nights thinking how im going to provide for my kid when society breaks down.
I can see that you're generally worried about this, so I'll temper the dismissive tone I displayed earlier.
I DO want to examine a few things though:
Then explain why the rig was drasticly understaffed, none of the onboard crew were engineers. Explain why the crews had to sign papers keeping them quite from the press.
Explain why Bin Laden's family were allowed to fly out of the USA, Why Henri Paul had drugs and alcohol in his system when he was allegedly teetotal and transporting a high-value VIP, why shots appeared to originate from the grassy knoll...
Do you see what I'm getting at here? This is a common reaction to crisis - to see conspiracy where there isn't one. It was an accident.
As for the theory being too ridiculous, they've successfully tested the technology to do such a thing.
Isn't in normally a common theme that when crude prices go up, gas prices go up? Not sure what the rest of the US is like but in Mn gas prices have been dropping quite a bit (kind of steadied themselves the past week but for a couple of weeks fuel prices were dropping nearly a dime a week.
That's like the lamest conspiracy theory ever. Worst than the idea 9/11 was a Bush insider job. LOL. I suppose next people will say Tupocs death is a conspiracy, that he faked it to be able to live in Jamaica under a new identity and create raps with Elvis.
Geez.
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Albatross wrote:Do you see what I'm getting at here? This is a common reaction to crisis - to see conspiracy where there isn't one. It was an accident.
Sure, but there’s accidents and there’s accidents where poor company safety protocols greatly increased the likelihood of catastrophe.
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Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
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