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Earlier today Malefic previewed PP's September releases. PP have now officially previewed the Cryx (all plastic) battlebox set.

Let the Iron Kingdoms Fall By Your Hand
From their nightmarish isle the undead legions of Cryx strike forth at the Iron Kingdoms. Led by Warwitch Deneghra, skittering Deathrippers and Defilers race forth as conduits for their master’s dark magic. These bonejacks rip apart flesh and steel with powerful mandibles and corrosive venom while the Slayer rends enemies asunder with its wicked claws.

Contents: This starter box (PIP 34067) contains quick start rules and a complete battlegroup of five plastic models, each model featuring a completely new sculpt for Mark II, and corresponding stat cards for WARMACHINE including:
o Warcaster Warwitch Deneghra
o Slayer Helljack
o 2 Deathripper Bonejacks
o Defiler Bonejack

http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/cryx/warcasters/cryx-battlegroup

So freaking awesome, those bonejacks look amazing

I like PP's stuff, but those little bonejacks are lame looking, like two legged little robodogs or something. But, I am sure some people love them.

Bone Jacks always remind me of the movie Tremors 2...those little graboids...

The bonejacks have always looked like that. Hence the "bonechicken" nick.

What interests me is "five plastic models"

So the Casters in the new boxes will be plastic as well.

Is this a different pose for Denny from the new sculpt we have seen?

Ooo, plastic casters...

<hold breath for Magnus box>

Wow. Hard to tell from that pic, but they really don't look any different to the original metals...

insaniak wrote:Wow. Hard to tell from that pic, but they really don't look any different to the original metals...

Just the standard metal v plastic stuff:
- edges are sharper, straighter
- surfaces are smoother, flatter
- points are sharper, thinner

Hard to say how well the did vs the "no undercuts" requirement of plastic.


Also, OP left out that the box is $50.

Ouch.

The plastic ones are bigger/taller, or at least the smoke stacks stand up straighter.


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Here's a decent comparison of plastic to metal.

Colour me impressed. Going by those pics, if anything the detail on the plastic one actually looks sharper.

Admittedly, though, the original bonejacks were amongst PP's first ever models.

I actually have the Cryx and Cygnar plastic heavy jack kits, (which are basically the same as what will go in these box sets, minus all the extra bits to make it whatever variant you want) and I have to tell you, they aren't plastic in the way you are used to seeing plastic. This is not the same polystyrene injection mold multi-part model sprue system that GW uses. The parts all come pre-trimmed in vacu-sealed baggies. The plastic is much more resin like (very similar to working with forgeworld resin). I don't know the process they are using, but with some of the undercuts that these parts have, there is no way they came from a two part aluminum mold system. So they retain some of the intricate detail a metal/resin mini would have, but, as you can see in the photos, the newer jacks have definitely been through a digital 3d sculpting process to create the master or master mold.

The plastic ones seem beefier, more solid. That's good, because PP has a lot of metal models with spears and such that, if broken would be a bitch to fix.

Also Cygnar, Khador and Menoth are getting the plastic starter boxes. The previews are up on the privateer's website on gallery section.

WOW.

While you can say 50$ is ouch, one plastic jack in itself is like 30$?

These sets are awesome.

I really like the new plastic warcasters. They look great.

I guess I'm used to paying around $50 for a starter as the exchange rate from USD to CAD has always had them priced around there.

For anyone looking for a deal, thewarstore.com and miniaturemarket.com both carry Warmachine stuff at a discount with cheap shipping. If you're in Canada like me, I'd recommend miniaturemarket.com as they are more international shipping friendly.

Grabbing one of the new starters and a plastic heavy gives you quite a few options, especially if you magnetize them.

Did PP ever release those plastic light jacks? Firefly and Ripsaw? They were supposed to come out a long time ago, but they ran into problems with their Chinese contractors (not surprising there). And now they want to make plastic starters? This could turn out very badly for them.

Agamemnon2 wrote:Did PP ever release those plastic light jacks? Firefly and Ripsaw? They were supposed to come out a long time ago, but they ran into problems with their Chinese contractors (not surprising there). And now they want to make plastic starters? This could turn out very badly for them.

As in more uber delays?

Well, yes? What else could I possibly be referring to, a sudden invasion of Cybermen into their Shanghai warehouse?

Agamemnon2 wrote:Well, yes? What else could I possibly be referring to, a sudden invasion of Cybermen into their Shanghai warehouse?

Haha.. they've been hijacked by ninjas.


But yeah - they've been getting hit with customs bad and china products on ... plastic kits... books...

tsk tsk tsk.

Overall cool, except for the delays..

It's entirely possible that all this plastic (if they get it out into stores ok) will be enough to entice me back to Warmachine. Very excited, particularly given how good they look compared to the metals.

Well I just ofered all my khador minis to a friend and even if these do look like nice metal to plastic transitions I look at the price tag and know PP outpriced themselves out of my miniatures collections.

Why is everyone complaining about the $50 price tag for the starters? It is the same price as the metal starters. Sure, they are plastic but plastic does not = cheaper. GW should have taught you this by now. Also take into consideration that these are closer to the way forge world produces stuff than injection molding and you realise that they are as labor intensive as metal.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Also, OP left out that the box is $50.

Ouch.

So it's just OP now JH? So cold. Sorry putting the US price wasn't a priority for me. The price, as mentioned above, hasn't changed from the old box.

For me the disappointing thing is that they didn't take the opportunity to balance the Cryx box with the new rules. The Cryx box is 14 points (compared to 11 points for most other boxes).

But I'm not really in the market for a Cryx starter box so it doesn't matter too much to me.

Fallen668 wrote:Why is everyone complaining about the $50 price tag for the starters? It is the same price as the metal starters. Sure, they are plastic but plastic does not = cheaper. GW should have taught you this by now. Also take into consideration that these are closer to the way forge world produces stuff than injection molding and you realise that they are as labor intensive as metal.

I dont know about everyone else, but I think everyone has its own personal perception of value for your money.
Well for huge chunk of metal I could (maybe) take the price but for a starter in plastic? Besides GW teached us how ridiculous expensive things can be yet... looking at GW starters these PP ones... GW feels cheap in comparison.

Old Battlebox was $50. IIRC it was $40 when they came out. If so, it existed for 8(?) years with a 10% increase over time.

A box of Tactical Marines is $37.25 (srsly? ). 8 years ago it was $25. 50% increase over that time.


New Battle box is $50.
To buy the equivalent metals which have not increase in price since introduction would cost about $64.
Using the price of current plastics it would be $75.

They kept the same price point nearly since creation by changing the materials used.

Yes, it is plastic. But I would bet money they are using rubber molds, based on the undercuts on my plastic slayer.

NAVARRO wrote:

Fallen668 wrote:Why is everyone complaining about the $50 price tag for the starters? It is the same price as the metal starters. Sure, they are plastic but plastic does not = cheaper. GW should have taught you this by now. Also take into consideration that these are closer to the way forge world produces stuff than injection molding and you realise that they are as labor intensive as metal.

I dont know about everyone else, but I think everyone has its own personal perception of value for your money.
Well for huge chunk of metal I could (maybe) take the price but for a starter in plastic? Besides GW teached us how ridiculous expensive things can be yet... looking at GW starters these PP ones... GW feels cheap in comparison.

It is exactly the same tactic that GW did when they released plastic termies for the first time in the mid 90's. Switch the metal models out for plastic and charge the same price of $30 for them.

Interestingly this is the same price as a squad of five Space Marine Terminators ($50) or if you prefer $5.50 (£3.70) more than a Space Marine Dreadnought.

You can draw comparisons on many items/things and both way to expensive if you ask me, just because I think most GW stuff is overpriced and so is PP stuff, doesnt means others share my perception for value.... but excuse me for repeating myself GW starters are way cheaper than these PP starters.

I'm not sure where you are coming from Navarro with respect to GW starters.

The only starter set I can think of is AOBR ($75) that provides a lot more basic stuff than a WM starter set. It really is a great set of kit that almost any other comparable product falls short against.

For anybody not playing SM or orks, that leaves a battleforce at $90 that provides a tactically limited force that represents a very limited investment in an army. The best one I can think of is the Tau BF that gives a 500-600pt force depending on wargear. I don't know many people who play 40k under 1000 pts as it can be very unbalanced. To compare, I could get a Menoth starter set, add a choir ($20) and a solo or two for the same price as a battleforce, with the benefit that my army is playable at all levels.

I agree that a lower price would be nice, but I don't know what you are comparing it with from GW's side of things.




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NAVARRO wrote:You can draw comparisons on many items/things and both way to expensive if you ask me, just because I think most GW stuff is overpriced and so is PP stuff, doesnt means others share my perception for value.... but excuse me for repeating myself GW starters are way cheaper than these PP starters.

What are you talking about here?

Mind that I didnt wanted this to derail in a price comparison with PP vs GW we had that already... But I will try to explain again were Im coming from.

I look at all these things in a buyer prespective and I do look for a extra value in any starter... because to me personally any starter for any system should have something extra that lures me to get into it and not just a box compliation of individual items.

I gave the example of GW fantasy or 40k starters because as you said its a great price for the items in there and so in the universe of super expensive stuff GW managed to lure me.
Another example alkemy sets I really ignored them individually but when they released a big army pack with a lithography and a very rare resin miniature I could not resist even if expensive box, in this case the lure was extra stuff you cant find anywere.

I look at these PP and these starters do not lure me to restart warmachine, because they dont have a great money value neiter interesting miniatures, its just a switch from metal to plastic... all they do for me is to remind me why I quited WM.

In short I like some of PP miniatures but the price of these things are so expensive today that you really have to stick with less collections.