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What would you all like to see?

Here's my list:
drop pods
lord on bike lets you take bikes as troops
abaddon lets you take terminators as troops
some way to control when your reserves show up
psychic powers that arent just a bunch of shooting attacks
psychic defenses of some kind (automatic perils of the warp would be characterful)
put cypher back in (but not doom rider)
dreads dont nuke your own guys (its a dumb rule always has been)
give us our ?!#@ing books of chaos back
land raider variants, infernal machine
dont let Gav Thorpe write it (Matt Ward would be nice though...they'll let him write anything)

For all the complaining about the new chaos codex one thing it definitely has over the last one is that it finally cleared up which abilities come with which gods. Khorne: furious charge extra weapon skill Tzeentch low ap good invulnerable saves etc. The last edition was a mess on that front.

So what do you all want to see thrown in?
AF

Well, I'd like to see a move towards the old 3.5 edition codex
such that GW encourages playing specific legions.

More chaos marine types , more wepons in havoc squads , rangded wepons for posseded , no fire freenzy , thats why im not haveing chaos dreds

I have to say its very funny watching dreads nuke my friends units, it keeps me entertained.

Things I'd like to see:

Cult terminators.
Unique vehicles, especially more daemon-machines.
An armour buff for the Defiler.
Possessed Marines that are scary and worth taking.
Daemon Weapons without random 'hurr I killed myself' results.
Army-wide bonuses encouraging (but not forcing) you to take mono-God (or Undivided) armies.
Reworking of Icons so that squads don't forget who they worship if their icon bearer dies.
Making all cult troops competitive choices, not just plague marines and berserkers (along with plastic sets).
Comprehensive veteran abilities.
Less random, more strange and frightening.
Less Lash, more smash.

Oh God. Here we go again...

Most of the complaints will involve the desire for better possessed, thousand sons, other HQ and daemons. As well as more options and bringing it closer to the previous codex.
However, people will want these to be brought back to make it more competitive, but this loss of 'random' makes it less 'chaos' (IMHO).

I would have cypher back.

Also more legion specific rules. There are lots of choas legions without rules. I have painted my army red in the style of a Khorne army, but they have to play as a red Black Legion. I think it would be awesome if there were rules for the Night Lords, World Eaters, Death Guard and even the Fallen!

Baneblade dropping stormbirds.

Chaos Drop Pods that work like that of FW.
The unit transported can shoot and charge upon arrival.

Personal Opinion:

-MOAR PLASMA CANNONZ! (Optional Plama Cannon on Defiler)
-Ability to have 'Sane' Dreads
-MOAR VEHICLES! (Razorback/Whirlwind/Landspeeder/LR Variants/Drop pods/etc (not saying ALL of them, just one or two) )
-Possessed, Chaos Spawn and Bikers made better.
-Lords made better
-LEGION BOOKS!


Not exactly something i want to see in the codex specifically, but in the rule book - 'safemode' for 'Gets Hot!' weapons. -2Str and +1AP but no longer Gets Hot! or could fire normally and Get Hot!.
I.E. Plasma Gun would be S5 AP3...

AbaddonFidelis wrote:give us our ?!#@ing books of chaos back

This would be nice. Another way of putting it to ask for an actual Chaos codex, not Renegade with-a-few-mutants-here-and-there Marines.

dont let Gav Thorpe write it (Matt Ward would be nice though...they'll let him write anything)

You know, all the crack Matt Ward smokes before writing anything may actually be quite appropriate in this case.

Really? You people are going to cry about 'Fire Frenzy'? But you supposedly want all the 'character' put back into Chaos? What's more characterful than a Chaos Dread Rampaging and shooting up your own troops? Wow..just wow...ya whiners.

But to satisfy the OP's request:
Just go back to Codex 3.5 adjust for any problems dealing w/ 5th edition and we'll call it good.

I kind of think the Chaos Codex isn't in too bad of shape back-bone wise. It needs some point tweaks to make stuff a bit more competitive/viable but the majority of stuff is playable at least. The main thing I'd like to see is some of the really vanilla stuff fleshed out. The optimal spot for this would be to make summoned demons much more customizable and fleshed out. Give 4 lesser demon options and 4 greater demon options, some point tweaks, and the codex would be good to go.

Alternatively, just moosh the Chaos Demons and the Chaos Marine codexes together. Probably wouldn't even need a whole lot of playtesting or editting, short of figuring out how to integrate the 1st half/ 2nd half bit with the demons and maybe tweaking what can deep strike (And smoothing out the common units like Princes).

It always annoys me that no one ever mentions Raptors in these threads.

Raptors need to be more like Vanguard Veterans, in that they should be able to take power weapons. I'd also like some sort of variant on the heroic intervention rule where they can deep-strike and charge on icons. This would raise their points cost considerably, but would make them WAY more usable as a combat unit. To compensate a bit, maybe make some sort of "we operate alone!" special rule to prevent ICs from joining the unit and buffing it up further.

erwos wrote:It always annoys me that no one ever mentions Raptors in these threads.

Raptors need to be more like Vanguard Veterans, in that they should be able to take power weapons. I'd also like some sort of variant on the heroic intervention rule where they can deep-strike and charge on icons. This would raise their points cost considerably, but would make them WAY more usable as a combat unit. To compensate a bit, maybe make some sort of "we operate alone!" special rule to prevent ICs from joining the unit and buffing it up further.

Oh just go play a counts-as Blood Angels list. You know ya wanna.

I would like to see a part of it (call it Codex part 2) where you find all the rules to play as traitors in the Horus heresy. With all the traitor primarchs. But then Their needs rto be an update for the SM codex too.....

Lost and the Damned.

You said Chaos codex, not Chaos Space Marines. Screw them, I want LatD!

That would be the proper way to do it. Leave the CSM as elite/fast attack choices, and everyone else be freakish mutants and daemons and other monstrosities.

Then if you wanted to go all out CSM, have a few special characters or captains that if you field them they make certain CSM choices troops.

naaaah that would not work. Sounds silly.

That would be awesome. Finally our own niche, super heavy elite troops combined with expendable cultists and mutants and summoned Daemons.

Just want Khorne Princes to be good, killing machines, dreads to be useful and possessed to change abilities throughout like Ymargl Stealers.

Actually, LATD would be great fun. Not traitor guard, though, you can do that currently. LATD would be the Daemons and mutants- pure Daemon armies doesn't make much sense outside the Warp anyway.

And why do some continue to believe random=Chaos? It is just dumb and makes units darn near unplayable. We got away from the random mutation crap. Try just costing abilities appropiately! Don't rely on Ooops! Rolled a 1, now the unit is useless. And don't even try to say it's "fun" or "funny"- it's not. Even if it is "funny" it quickly loses the novelty after the 1000th time.

Chaos should be about versatility and strength codex chapters forgo. Limiting eq bc it is "post heresy" is pretty silly since they capture or subvert such gear. However, they should avoid encroaching on trademark things due to doctrine or organization such as Combat Squads, Chapter Tactics, Vanguard/Sternguard etc.

The way I see it, a basic CSM is comparable to any other marine, just with different goals. It's when you start mixing in the Chaos Gods doctrines and daemons that it gets interesting.

I would like to see CSM built off the basic SM template of recent marine codexes. Gifts and marks should give them customization, especially on elite units ala WolfGuard. Leaders should change field doctrine (IE leader on bikes= biker troops, leader with jp=jp troops, leader in Terminator= scoring terminators, leader with infiltrate= infiltrating troops, etc.). Dedication to a Chaos god should allow greater options in that field but at the expense of general options and versatility.

The key is for multiple good options so that their are meaningful decisions in listbuilding not just Oh look, there is 1 good build.

I think before we all start complaining about new codex's we need to think about poor necrons, DE, SoB, WH,GK... so either use 3.5 or the 5th and be appreciative they care enough about your army to TRY to make them cool not saying they did good.. but the thought that counts..

IHEARTLARGEBLASTTEMPLATES wrote:I think before we all start complaining about new codex's we need to think about poor necrons, DE, SoB, WH,GK... so either use 3.5 or the 5th and be appreciative they care enough about your army to TRY to make them cool not saying they did good.. but the though that counts..

Put down your logic, unbeliever, and bow before the forces of Chaos Undivided.

How about this then:

Cult Marines normally count as elites, but if you have an HQ choice with the appropriate Mark of Chaos, you can instead take them as troops. Chaos Undivided allows you to take up to two of each as troops, Khorne allows you to take six berserkers, etc.

Melissia wrote:How about this then:

Cult Marines normally count as elites, but if you have an HQ choice with the appropriate Mark of Chaos, you can instead take them as troops. Chaos Undivided allows you to take up to two of each as troops, Khorne allows you to take six berserkers, etc.

That is exactly what the 3.5 book did, they removed that.

Glad to see you're getting on board with the "Restore the old book" bandwagon!

If they just copy pasted the 3.5 book then cleaned it up to match 5th ed it would make 95% of chaos players happy. Plus with how all the other 5th ed books are it would be equal as far as power level goes.

But get loose the lame dread rule. I am 90% sure they will. Release a new model for it then take that rule off and EVERYONE will guy a few.

Dread claws. I know we will see them. Everyone else is getting drop pods I mean nids got one for christ sake.

One thought I have had is that we get just assualt chaos marines. Then make the raptors much more elite. Better stats hit and run all that. Since really raptors are there own cult.

More tank wariants. There is fluff for a defiler for each of the chaos gods. Lets get those in there. Mean CC defiler for khorn. Flame like attacks for nurgle. Sonic weapons for slaanesh and cant remeber what the tweentch one was.

Nitros14 wrote:

Melissia wrote:How about this then:

Cult Marines normally count as elites, but if you have an HQ choice with the appropriate Mark of Chaos, you can instead take them as troops. Chaos Undivided allows you to take up to two of each as troops, Khorne allows you to take six berserkers, etc.

That is exactly what the 3.5 book did, they removed that.

Glad to see you're getting on board with the "Restore the old book" bandwagon!

I don't give a damn about the old codex. What matters is what makes sense for army feel, balance, and ease of play.

Revamp 3.5 and 90% of Chaos Vets will be happy.

I don't give a damn about the old codex. What matters is what makes sense for army feel, balance, and ease of play.

Oh I don't think anyone doubted for a moment that you care less than nothing about Chaos Marines and their old book.