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All they need to do is go back to 3.5 and edit some of the wording and update rules.

TBH, i think people would prefer that book back than a LaTD one. (just my thoughts here, feel free to shoot me down)

Personally I'd want :

New spells (You'd expect the sorcerors to know alot more then that considering the time they spend looking for new knowlage..)

New vehicles/patterns/variations ( I mean space marines have alot of those why can't chaos? their basicly half of the 40k story as well as the space marines IMO)

Special units sort of like body guards for lords and sorcerors.

Diffrent types of greater daemons and lesser daemons. I mean cmon it doesn't make sense for a Tzeentch GD to not have spells and have the same exact stats as a khorne GD

Those are my wants really most of them anyway lol.

IHEARTLARGEBLASTTEMPLATES wrote:I think before we all start complaining about new codex's we need to think about poor necrons, DE, SoB, WH,GK... so either use 3.5 or the 5th and be appreciative they care enough about your army to TRY to make them cool not saying they did good.. but the though that counts..

" Only a fool mocks Chaos , And for that you will die , your Blood and Skull for Khorne , your stupidity to Tzeentch , your Death to Nurgle , your bravado to slaanesh."

kadeton yes cult terminators god-specific demons. I dont know anyone who thinks a summoned greater demon is cooler than a blood thirster, although no doubt someone will pipe up now that Ive said it...


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Terminus absolutely.


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1 up yeah if anyone should be able to take allies its chaos marines and their demon buddies.

The one biggest thing I want is chaos cultists. Some crazy IG profile guys (except I4) that have a 4+ save and furious charge and feel no pain that can be marked:

Khorne: +1 Attack
Nurgle: +1T and 3+ Save
Slannesh: Fleet
Tzeench: BS4 and some kind of Psychic Power they can use as a group like the IG Psyker Battle Squad

zeekill wrote:The one biggest thing I want is chaos cultists. Some crazy IG profile guys (except I4) that have a 4+ save and furious charge and feel no pain that can be marked:

Khorne: +1 Attack
Nurgle: +1T and 3+ Save
Slannesh: Fleet
Tzeench: BS4 and some kind of Psychic Power they can use as a group like the IG Psyker Battle Squad

WAY too powerfull in an army that is already very small and elite. Plus, why complicate the marks? Just stick to the four that exist.
I Would say:

I would just say LatD included in the same 'dex as marines. Slightly worse profile than guards (maybe WS and BS 2/worse Sv/definitely a worse LD) for 6/7 pts a model.

I for one would like to see new options and plenty of cool things. I think It's a shame that people want to rip the old Chaos codex completely. I have no problem with having a few things from the old codex, but the whole thing? It unimaginative.

-MOAR PLASMA CANNONZ! (Optional Plama Cannon on Defiler)
-Ability to have 'Sane' Dreads
-MOAR VEHICLES! (Razorback/Whirlwind/Landspeeder/LR Variants/Drop pods/etc (not saying ALL of them, just one or two) )
-Possessed, Chaos Spawn and Bikers made better.
-Lords made better
-LEGION BOOKS!

Hell were are my Super Heavy Chaos Vehicles!
Cannon of Khorne!
Cauldrons of Blood!
Tower of Doom!

Chaos is missing out on alot of stuff I could go on and on just stop the madness and lets do what Chaos does best....Kill!...Main! and Murder!

There is just one thing about this codex that just angers me whenever I hear about it. People that absolutely LOVE the chaos space marine models and fluff but absolutely HATE the current rules in the codex and resort to using a loyalist scum codex for a 'counts as' chaos army. I read recently about someone who is using a blood angels codex because s/he believes that the playstyle is better and more chaos like that the current chaos codex.

Dylwar wrote:New vehicles/patterns/variations ( I mean space marines have alot of those why can't chaos? their basicly half of the 40k story as well as the space marines IMO)

CHAOS might be half the story, but CSMs aren't. CSMs are a relatively minor and unimportant aspect of the 41st millennium (but then so are standard SMs).

But Lost and the Damned? That could mean some awesome vehicles, especially daemon-possessed ones. There's no need to steal from the Imperium. Chaos in general could use a cool new daemon-possessed vehicle like the Soul Grinders or Defilers.

It would be nice if they keep the random effects to male it more like penal legions how its different kinds of beneficial options instead of having super negative options- like that you fknow if nothing else the unit you pay for will at least have the basics listed in the dex. I think it could ne neat how if you decode to make your army devoted to one specific god you got a minor army bonus or a special rule you can bestow onto your hq to reflect some incentive to pigeon hole your army a bit

Were are my Cannon of Khone....Tower off Skull super heavies!!!!

One of the coolist things would to make the actual marines better and but fast attack or elites

Make Cultist box sets

Make lesser Daemons

this way it would be way more "true to fluff"

Nitros14 wrote:

I don't give a damn about the old codex. What matters is what makes sense for army feel, balance, and ease of play.

Oh I don't think anyone doubted for a moment that you care less than nothing about Chaos Marines and their old book.

If that's the case, then she must value her time even less if she's posting in this thread.

OK I have a long list here so bear with me. The gist is to make the Special Characters change the army composition rather than just being good fighters. Allow a player to take a mono-legion army, or a mixed force.

1) The legion squads (bezerkers, sons, noise, and plague) should be elites naturally. If you have a lord with a Mark then you can take one of their legion units as troops. If you have the special Character for that legion then they are all troops. Abbadon has all the marks so you can take one of each as a troop. If they are taken as an elite choice, not a troop, then you can upgrade to terminator armor. noise marines always have blasters and hit and run. Aspiring sorcerers should have warlock-like powers or you can buy different types of rounds for the squad.

2) marks give USR's and not stat line changes. Khorn gives Furious Charge. Slaanesh gives Hit and Run. Nurgle gives FNP. Tzeentch gives the same invulnerable save he does now? You can only buy marks for squads if you have the special character legion leader. ie. you want an all mark of khorn army, then you have to have Karn.

3) There should be more special characters to include more chaos legions. word bearers, iron warriors, night lords.

4) possesed should be a fast attack choice and have a 12" assault move. You can always buy them marks, but they replace the 12" assault move.

5) summoned deamons stay as is but you chose either a mark or become jump infantry at +3 points a model.

6) more fast attack choices. I am thinking of a chariot of some type that shoots, ie chaos attack bikes?

I feel that the beauty of the chaos codex is that you can take a huge variety of models and styles of army or take a mixed force. I think that too many people want to do away with the option to take an interesting mixed force and just focus on making one of the 4 legion armies.

svendrex wrote:

1) The legion squads (bezerkers, sons, noise, and plague) should be elites naturally. If you have a lord with a Mark then you can take one of their legion units as troops. If you have the special Character for that legion then they are all troops. Abbadon has all the marks so you can take one of each as a troop. If they are taken as an elite choice, not a troop, then you can upgrade to terminator armor. noise marines always have blasters and hit and run. Aspiring sorcerers should have warlock-like powers or you can buy different types of rounds for the squad.

Wouldn't really enjoy that rule personally.. I use TS as troops painted in my legions own colours and having normal CSM as troops by force would really be a bit of a let down since the reason im using TS in the first place is to get the infernal bolters wargear.

I don't play chaos but:

More options
More options
MORE OPTIONS

the one reason I haven't considered chaos even though I absolutley love the Alpha Legion & Night Lords is how bland the codex is.

I just hope that the next codex is better than this one, and comperable to the last one, but with 5th edition updates. The current codex is a shell of what it once was. I got rid of 2 Chaos armies and a LatD army because of that steaming plie of... well...you know.

Terminus wrote:

Nitros14 wrote:

I don't give a damn about the old codex. What matters is what makes sense for army feel, balance, and ease of play.

Oh I don't think anyone doubted for a moment that you care less than nothing about Chaos Marines and their old book.

If that's the case, then she must value her time even less if she's posting in this thread.

Chaos != Chaos Space Marines. In fact, CSMs are a tiny, relatively unimportant aspect of Chaos.

I think I've made it quite clear by now that I think the next Chaos codex should be LatD

I have a fealing that chaos will be sidelined, It does not fit with the masses of 12 year old kids GW want as customers.
The bigger GW will get the more chaos will get in its way.
I see chaos following the path of the dodos.

egor71 wrote:I have a fealing that chaos will be sidelined, It does not fit with the masses of 12 year old kids GW want as customers.
The bigger GW will get the more chaos will get in its way.
I see chaos following the path of the dodos.

Yes, that's why GW is getting rid of Dark Eldar, and not releasing an entirely new codex and range for them in November.

Chaos will get its time in the sun like everyone else - I would predict in late 2012.

HAHA yaaaaa, why dont we just allow 4 abbodons to? and let them take SQUADRONS of land raiders! man, terminators as troops... great idea! ahahahaha....

nirvana69 wrote:HAHA yaaaaa, why dont we just allow 4 abbodons to? and let them take SQUADRONS of land raiders! man, terminators as troops... great idea! ahahahaha....

...I like how this was ment to be sarcasm but DA and SW can take terminators as troops, and BA can take as many dedicated transport LR as they want. Sooooo why is that so unrealistic for chaos?

O thats right because we dont majke GW as much money as the boy scout SM...my bad.

I just want my cults back, and drop pods. Completely assinine for my chaos legions not to have drop pods and SM get them.

Chaos pirates! Bring back the legions!

And who ever said SM and Chaos SM arent a big part of the galaxy at large must be high. SM's are the greatest weapon the galaxy has ever seen. To the point were the entire galaxy was almost brought to heel under the Astares, then 4 GODS(!) went out of their way to enslave more then half of them to use as their super soldiers own on the material plane. Now tell me SM dont matter in the bigger picture .

But this is off topic, just give me my galaxy conquering legions, and drop pods...please.

Laughing God wrote:And who ever said SM and Chaos SM arent a big part of the galaxy at large must be high.

Whoever says otherwise hasn't actually read much of the fluff. The overwhelming majority of humans will never see an Astartes, worlds go generations without one ever even coming in-system, and the masses of humanity outnumber the Astartes by such a ridiculous amount that the human mind cannot possibly comprehend it. And Orks outnumber humanity (and every other race in the galaxy combined), and many people suspect Tyranids do, too.

While they were of utmost importance during the Horus Heresy, in M.41 Marines are a small, relatively minor aspect of the galaxy. The vast majority of the fighting in "modern" 40k is done by the Imperial Guard and PDF, whereas the Marines only really participate in major battles (And even then, almost always supporting/with the support of the Guard).

Which is why the absence of LatD is so peculiar and obnoxious.

Melissia wrote:

Laughing God wrote:And who ever said SM and Chaos SM arent a big part of the galaxy at large must be high.

Whoever says otherwise hasn't actually read much of the fluff. The overwhelming majority of humans will never see an Astartes, worlds go generations without one ever even coming in-system, and the masses of humanity outnumber the Astartes by such a ridiculous amount that the human mind cannot possibly comprehend it. And Orks outnumber humanity (and every other race in the galaxy combined), and many people suspect Tyranids do, too.

While they were of utmost importance during the Horus Heresy, in M.41 Marines are a small, relatively minor aspect of the galaxy. The vast majority of the fighting in "modern" 40k is done by the Imperial Guard and PDF, whereas the Marines only really participate in major battles (And even then, almost always supporting/with the support of the Guard).

Which is why the absence of LatD is so peculiar and obnoxious.

The ratio is something like one million to several trillion.

In other words, roughly 1,000,000 to 5,000,000,000,000, or 5,000,000:1.

If the Imperial Guard was Earth's entire population, the Space Marines would fill about a twentieth of one football stadium, if that.

The ratio of minor Daemons/aberrants/cultists to CSM is similar.

I will not be drawn into a debate about how relevant SM are in the 41st millennium, that would not be polite to the OP given its off topic.

So I will conclude by saying that in the grim dark future the galaxy is controlled by the awesome over the top extreme, not the most numerically superior. Numbers don’t really account for anything in the face of an astares, good or evil. Go pick up any black library book...you'll see. Black Library not cannon you say? Why do codex’s quote them then? But its all a moot point here and Ill save this friendly disagreement for another thread and speak no more of it.

But back on topic: I agree the lack of traitor guard or cultists is ludicrous and obscene given the majority or war waged by chaos is by normal mortal followers and slaves. But chaos MARINES still dictate the most fear and power. So cultists/traitor guard as a troop choice would be logical. But this is GW we are talking about here, its about money not the gamer…

... and money can be earned by giving a variety of options for the chaos worshippers.

Melissia wrote:... and money can be earned by giving a variety of options for the chaos worshippers.

YES! say it louder, or via email...they might hear you. lol

Laughing God wrote:But back on topic: I agree the lack of traitor guard or cultists is ludicrous and obscene given the majority or war waged by chaos is by normal mortal followers and slaves. But chaos MARINES still dictate the most fear and power. So cultists/traitor guard as a troop choice would be logical. But this is GW we are talking about here, its about money not the gamer…

Well, traitor guard is relatively easy to do with the existing books. The only thing that's really missing are mutants and the like, although if you were real handy with conversions, you could make mutants out of Psychic Battle Squads, Ogryns and Rough Riders. Hell, you can even have accompanying "Chaos" marines by taking converted allied Grey Knights (iiirony ), but that won't last much longer it seems.

These options not being in the Chaos codex, however, is shameful. Alpha Legion is my favorite bunch of heretics, so I hope the next book will allow me to properly represent them (mainly because I don't have the skill/time/motivation to convert practically every damn model in the army).

jp400 wrote:Revamp 3.5 and 90% of Chaos Vets will be happy.

as happy as looking your avatar and awesome firm (i want a patch for my metalhead jacket)

so, apart of all the old codex, with chaos books (well, pages), legions with their own rules, etc. I would like to see:

-the REAL world eaters Chainaxes (max 4+ save) again
-as one said before, dread claws, for kayyyy-yoooos Stheeeel reeehhhnn
-IMO sane dreadnought its not an option, i enjoyed too much with the crazy wash machines
-lists for Lost and Damned (Blood Pact Bloooood Pact Bloooo)....
-more vehicles, not razorback, speeder and all this things, i say REAL own vehicles (such as described in Gaunt Ghosts Books)
-more weir stuff....