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Is there any canonical fluff on the role of cloning in the 40k Universe a la replicants in Star Wars?

There was 1 race of marines that "cloned" their troops, but i cant remember who they were. I think that it was the iron hands who tried to clone troops well the primarch anyway tried to clone them but im not sure. Usually space marines are taken from the homeworld of their primarch and then turned into space marines.

Thats all i know for fluff anyway hope this helps

Dashyl wrote:There was 1 race of marines that "cloned" their troops, but i cant remember who they were. I think that it was the iron hands who tried to clone troops well the primarch anyway tried to clone them but im not sure. Usually space marines are taken from the homeworld of their primarch and then turned into space marines.

Thats all i know for fluff anyway hope this helps

The Emperor's Children tried to clone Horus, shortly after the rebellion failed.

The Black Legion didn't like this idea, and recaptured Horus' body and destroyed it, preventing future attempts.

Though I'm sure someone somewhere has Horus' toothbrush and/or Top Knot Comb, so...

Corax, Primarch of the Raven Guard, also tried to clone/force grow marines as well, in an effort to rebuild his legion after the Drop Site Massacre.

That didn't go so well, as I think he as about 10% successful, with the other 90% turning into mutated monstrosities that he eventually euthanized. The guilt of such led him to go walkabout in the Eye of Terror, and he hasn't been seen since...

There are probably other incidents as well...

arent the Death Korps cloned?

according to the warhammer 40k wiki. the death Korps of Krieg are clones:

It should also be noted that Krieg raises an unusually large number of regiments for so devastated a planet. This is because of the use of cloning technology, which Krieg has been granted special dispensation to use due to the steely and determined nature of its troops and its unswerving loyalty to the Emperor. Use of this technology is generally prohibited throughout the Imperium (reasons unknown) by the Adeptus Mechanicus, the custodians of the Imperium's technological lore. This may be why Death Korp troops are so rarely seen without their characteristic gas masks.

while Lexicanum says otherwise:

It should be noted that Krieg raises an unusually large number of regiments for a devastated planet. This is attributed to the use of the "Vitae Womb" birthing technique, which Krieg has been granted special dispensation to use as the result of their famous steel, determination and unswerving loyalty to the Emperor. Use of this technique is largely unknown and generally seen as dangerous and abhorrent by the Adeptus Mechanicus Biologis

I don't know what the "Vitae Womb" is though( the page dosn't exist) somebody with an IA book may be able to shed light on this though.

As for Krieg, it sounds more like having fertilized eggs put in a fake womb, and basically accelerate the development of that human, mass produce them and you are basically farming humans at an incredible rate.

O right it was the raven guard not iron hands. but i thought the primarch took all his mutated buddies into the eye of terror with him. i could be mistaken

Space Marines are the closest things to clones that you are going to find within the Imperium of Man. When a Space Marine dies it is the responsibility of the apothecary to harvest his gene-seed and bring it back to the chapters homeworld, at which point the it is used to create another marine to take his place.

Outside of the Imperium, I think Tyranids would probably be the most clone-y army. They harvest all the bio-matter on the worlds they conquer in order to create more bugs. Furthermore, none of their named characters (like Old One Eye and the Doom) are "unique" because they can just make more of them. Therefore, bugs are the first life forms to successfully master the cloning process.

The cursed founding of space marines dallied with it.
There was also a chapter approved guard doctrines/traits article that had it mentioned.

IIRC, many (not all) servitors are created through a form of cloning and genetic engineering-- growing just the right organs needed in order for the servitor to function properly with its cybernetic implants.

Melissia wrote:IIRC, many (not all) servitors are created through a form of cloning and genetic engineering-- growing just the right organs needed in order for the servitor to function properly with its cybernetic implants.

Anyone have any idea where that comes from?

Melissia wrote:IIRC, many (not all) servitors are created through a form of cloning and genetic engineering-- growing just the right organs needed in order for the servitor to function properly with its cybernetic implants.

I think your correct. Most Servitors are vat-grown clones, only SM servitors are diffirent (being Scouts/Neophytes who didn't survive the surgeries, iirc the origin of Black Templar Servitors is mentioned in the BT Codex).

The Barghesi in the grendel star system are supposed to be a race of replicants that are considered by the Imperium to be as big of a threat if not more so than the Tyranids.

They don't have a codex but there is some back story on them somewhere. Don't know if they count as cannon, though.

I don't know about the servitors though, I remember reading that a lot of them are also lobotomized criminals and the like. Makes more sense to me that way, although, the marine servitors are also neophytes and failed aspirants too!

What a crappy way to 'honour' the applicants!


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The Death Korps being cloned though! Awesome, time to get buying!

What a crappy way to 'honour' the applicants!

All the more reason to have clean piss during the background test!

Random, but most likely important, yes!

Alpharius wrote:

Melissia wrote:IIRC, many (not all) servitors are created through a form of cloning and genetic engineering-- growing just the right organs needed in order for the servitor to function properly with its cybernetic implants.

Anyone have any idea where that comes from?

Nowhere whatsoever. Some servitors are given cloned components(like some Navigators having their brains cloned, then being transferred to other bodies to form a Navigator Cadre), but they're not created through cloning or genetic engineering.

Imperial Medicine is very simular to Ork Surjuree in practical effect.

Alpharius wrote:

Dashyl wrote:There was 1 race of marines that "cloned" their troops, but i cant remember who they were. I think that it was the iron hands who tried to clone troops well the primarch anyway tried to clone them but im not sure. Usually space marines are taken from the homeworld of their primarch and then turned into space marines.

Thats all i know for fluff anyway hope this helps

The Emperor's Children tried to clone Horus, shortly after the rebellion failed.

The Black Legion didn't like this idea, and recaptured Horus' body and destroyed it, preventing future attempts.

Though I'm sure someone somewhere has Horus' toothbrush and/or Top Knot Comb, so...

Corax, Primarch of the Raven Guard, also tried to clone/force grow marines as well, in an effort to rebuild his legion after the Drop Site Massacre.

That didn't go so well, as I think he as about 10% successful, with the other 90% turning into mutated monstrosities that he eventually euthanized. The guilt of such led him to go walkabout in the Eye of Terror, and he hasn't been seen since...

There are probably other incidents as well...

NOT EC, fabius, after he left the EC

There are also companies of "super soldiers" cloned from legendary warriors running around. They usually do really well to start with, but then suffer horrific luck and get wiped out. They also attract dislike from pretty much everyone for no real reason.

I am trying to find the page on lexicanum, but I can't remember what the process was called. I think there are 2 troopers - a male and female - from the last chancers who were products of this process.

Here we go!

In the HH novel Nemesis it mentions the Culexus assassin is vat-grown iirc. Probably cause its hard to find pariahs so they just clone them instead?

Here is where it says servitors are vat grown.

Lexicanum wrote:While many are vat-grown, often a criminal, particularly one who has offended the Cult Mechanicus, will be sentenced to "Servitude Imperpituis" and will be handed over to the Tech-priests to be mind-wiped, reprogrammed, and cybernetically-enhanced to serve some specific, rudimentary function. Servitors are mindless, possessing only the most basic of instincts.

Lexicanum Link

And the same goes for Praetorian Servitors

Lexicanum wrote:Praetorians are created from vat-grown giants or mind-scrubbed Ogryns. While their fearsome presence alone is enough to generally discourage attack, they also have the power and weaponry to back up their threatening appearance. Praetorians tower even over Space Marines in battle.

Link

I do think The Death Korps of Krieg are supposd to be 40K grimdark version of Clone Trropers. They're utterly loyal and obedient, have accelerated growth and disposable. It's just instead of having shiny armour and advanced weaponry they're WW1 Germans for that extra shot of grim and dark awesomeness.

Gathering Storm: Better to check Lexicanum's sources, because Lexicanum itself is not a proper source.

Before the Heresy many marines and imperial army troops were clones. This was one way the Emperor fast tracked the production of his Space Marine Legions. After the Heresy the practice was ended in favor of more strenuous indoctrination methods, it was thought that longer and stricter oversight was needed during training to avoid any taint of chaos from infiltrating the recruit's minds.
This was from second edition descriptions of space marine scout training

Melissia wrote:Gathering Storm: Better to check Lexicanum's sources, because Lexicanum itself is not a proper source.

Doesn't Lexicanum cite their sources, for the most part?

Can't we check for ourselves?

I really don't think they are as horrible as they are being made out to be...

Alpharius wrote:Can't we check for ourselves?

I would hope so, given that's what I said in the post you quoted.

I didn't read it that way.

1000 apologies for somehow offending your delicate sensibilities.

James Swallow mentions cloning in the new Heresey book 'Nemesis'.

However, I dont like how far Swallow bends the canon in his books to breaking point.

I enjoyed the book but there were a few points where I thought to myself 'errrr....im not sure I agree with this!'

PrometheusZero wrote:James Swallow mentions cloning in the new Heresey book 'Nemesis'.

However, I dont like how far Swallow bends the canon in his books to breaking point.

I enjoyed the book but there were a few points where I thought to myself 'errrr....im not sure I agree with this!'

Don't read his Blood Angel books then! I'm convinced that they take place in an alternate 40K Universe!

As for NEMESIS, I'm only 75% done, but so far, so good.

He seems to do MUCH better when he's writing in the HH series - tighter editorial control? Dan Abnett standing over his shoulder?