Does the fantasy world exist in the 40k universe?

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**RaptorsTalon**

Quick question: Does the fantasy world exist in the 40k universe?

I haven't been able to find any other forum pages about it, so what do people think?

**Ordo Dakka**

Anything but a quick question and I almost wish you hadn't asked, it always stirs up debate from new and old players. This is, unfortunately, largely due to inconsistency on GW's part.

Short answer: Originally the two worlds were one, now they are parallel.

Long answer: When 40k started as an offshoot GW literally produced miniatures called "Space Elves", to give you some scope. It was just Fantasy in space. Dwarves and everything was there with guns. Nowadays the depth of 40k lore and changes in direction make this impossible. GW have stated themselves the universes no longer have any link.

**Lexx**

Ordo Dakka wrote:Anything but a quick question and I almost wish you hadn't asked, it always stirs up debate from new and old players. This is, unfortunately, largely due to inconsistency on GW's part.

Short answer: Originally the two worlds were one, now they are parallel.

Long answer: When 40k started as an offshoot GW literally produced miniatures called "Space Elves", to give you some scope. It was just Fantasy in space. Dwarves and everything was there with guns. Nowadays the depth of 40k lore and changes in direction make this impossible. GW have stated themselves the universes no longer have any link.

This. In early editions yes. but in the last 15+ years GW have moved away from the two worlds being linked in any way.

**wizard12**

I don't own it but I heard that in the liber chaotica there is a story where a man from the empire gets sucked into the warp and ends up on a world in 40K.

**Howard A Treesong**

The Warhammer World used to be in the center of the Eye of Terror I think. But GW have tried to totally separate the fantasy and 40K brands now so they are not linked. Their being linked though does explain why in early editions of Warhammer you could have fantasy characters being given chaos gifts of boltguns and chainswords.

**freddieyu1**

I think so...there are many parallels between both genres...but I think the WHFB world is in a part of the 40k universe not touched by the imperium yet...

But it is wise indeed to keep both genres separate...imagine the resulting muckup if these were intertwined ruleswise...

**RaptorsTalon**

Thanks for answering guys and thanks for the explanation.

**metallifan**

You know Raptors, on this one, I'd say go with whatever you choose.

GW says it doesn't exist anymore. But they also said that they never had a line of Squats. GW changes it's collective mind more often than a bedwetter changes his sheets. Honestly, it's a galaxy of several hundred billion worlds. I'm sure one of the Imperium's many Feudal Worlds could be the Warhammer Fantasy world.

**plaugerat**

its two separate games sharing no world links at all

**Aerethan**

The problem from what I understand is that in Fantasy, The Slaanesh god was "created" from the Sundering or something like that as a byproduct of the Druchii's evil nature.

From what I gather, Slaanesh has a 40k equivalent origin that contradicts Fantasy's story.

I would say that Fantasy and 40k exist in different planes, with the realm of Chaos being the only link, and perhaps in that, the origins of Slaanesh could be the result of BOTH events happening at the same physical time, although the energy having been drawn from 2 different portals to the Chaos Realm.

Then again this could all be gibberish.

**disty**

I'm sure I saw the same topic in the 40k discussion not long ago.

I do remember that originally the warhammer world exists somewhere near to the eye of terror but I think that's now been removed by GW. There was also a very interesting theory that originally Sigmar was one of the missing space marine primarchs!

**Cannerus_The_Unbearable**

freddieyu1 wrote:I think so...there are many parallels between both genres...but I think the WHFB world is in a part of the 40k universe not touched by the imperium yet...

But it is wise indeed to keep both genres separate...imagine the resulting muckup if these were intertwined ruleswise...

The old Warhammer Siege book lets you play fantasy and 40k pieces together. Seemed to work okay then (considering the games had nearly the same rules

).

**sebster**

The two games were originally formed at the same time, by more or less the same people. As a result they shared many common elements in their settings, to the point where it was reasonable to presume the fantasy world was possibly a planet in the 40K universe. GW even flirted with this idea themselves.

However, the two settings have grown over time, and GW have made the decision to let each develop its backstory independant of the other. So when they come up for a cool idea for the origin of Slaanesh as part of the Eldar background, they don't have to worry about marrying it to anything in the WHFB background. Similarly, orks in each setting are very different, because the vision developed for orks in 40K can't be reconciled to fantasy.

**Aerethan**

Orcs in Fantasy were an experimental race created in the trial and error phases of the Old Ones. The Saurus were designed to eliminate such failed races, but Orcs and Goblins were found to be rather virulent and like cockroaches, could not be killed off faster than they showed up.

**sebster**

aerethan wrote:Orcs in Fantasy were an experimental race created in the trial and error phases of the Old Ones. The Saurus were designed to eliminate such failed races, but Orcs and Goblins were found to be rather virulent and like cockroaches, could not be killed off faster than they showed up.

Are they fungus with a genetically engineered understanding of tellyporta technology?

**RaptorsTalon**

Thanks Guys. It's clear to me now.

**Phloop**

I like to think that Warhammer Fantasy is a game created by bored Imperial Guardsmen to pass the time between engagements.
(See what I did there?)

**Matt65**

disty wrote:I'm sure I saw the same topic in the 40k discussion not long ago.

I do remember that originally the warhammer world exists somewhere near to the eye of terror but I think that's now been removed by GW. There was also a very interesting theory that originally Sigmar was one of the missing space marine primarchs!

the other day I ws reading the BRB and thought the same thing. Sigmar lives to be 80 ( im asuming with no magic assistance ) and is still in good health enough to leave his empire on a quest of adventure just because hes bored. when realistically 500+ years ago you were lucky to make it to 40.

**BearersOfSalvation**

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:The old Warhammer Siege book lets you play fantasy and 40k pieces together. Seemed to work okay then (considering the games had nearly the same rules ).

Yeah, to the point that the original two chaos books, Warhammer Siege, and maybe more were written as supplements for both systems. You certainly wouldn't get one chaos Codex for both WHFB and 40k today.

**kenshin620**

I already said this from another topic but there was some rumor that the 40k universe is really contained in a bottle or something in Altdorf. presumably by the wizards

**sebster**

Matt65 wrote:
disty wrote:I'm sure I saw the same topic in the 40k discussion not long ago.

I do remember that originally the warhammer world exists somewhere near to the eye of terror but I think that's now been removed by GW. There was also a very interesting theory that originally Sigmar was one of the missing space marine primarchs!

the other day I ws reading the BRB and thought the same thing. Sigmar lives to be 80 ( im asuming with no magic assistance ) and is still in good health enough to leave his empire on a quest of adventure just because hes bored. when realistically 500+ years ago you were lucky to make it to 40.

It's pretty common in the material that inspired WHFB that great men would live much longer lives. In LotR for instance, Aragorn and other high men would make it past 100 fairly regularly.

**kenshin620**

sebster wrote:
Matt65 wrote:
disty wrote:I'm sure I saw the same topic in the 40k discussion not long ago.

I do remember that originally the warhammer world exists somewhere near to the eye of terror but I think that's now been removed by GW. There was also a very interesting theory that originally Sigmar was one of the missing space marine primarchs!

the other day I ws reading the BRB and thought the same thing. Sigmar lives to be 80 ( im asuming with no magic assistance ) and is still in good health enough to leave his empire on a quest of adventure just because hes bored. when realistically 500+ years ago you were lucky to make it to 40.

It's pretty common in the material that inspired WHFB that great men would live much longer lives. In LotR for instance, Aragorn and other high men would make it past 100 fairly regularly.

Yup. Its called FANTASY for a reason.

Plus doesnt Sigmar have physical parents? (I mentioned this at the other topic)

**Lexx**

Yeah he had parents in the back-story. Far as I can remember. Unless you want to do the superman cliche of finding the baby in a crater....

**djones520**

sebster wrote:
Matt65 wrote:
disty wrote:I'm sure I saw the same topic in the 40k discussion not long ago.

I do remember that originally the warhammer world exists somewhere near to the eye of terror but I think that's now been removed by GW. There was also a very interesting theory that originally Sigmar was one of the missing space marine primarchs!

the other day I ws reading the BRB and thought the same thing. Sigmar lives to be 80 ( im asuming with no magic assistance ) and is still in good health enough to leave his empire on a quest of adventure just because hes bored. when realistically 500+ years ago you were lucky to make it to 40.

It's pretty common in the material that inspired WHFB that great men would live much longer lives. In LotR for instance, Aragorn and other high men would make it past 100 fairly regularly.

Aragorn was a Numenorian though. His race was granted long lives by the Aiur as a reward for the sacrifices they made in the war against Morgoth.

I do believe that back in the day (more then a decade ago), it was pretty much accepted that Sigmar was one of the missing primarchs, but with GW's shift away from the two worlds being one, it's easier to just attribute it to him being god-touched.

**Elector**

BearersOfSalvation wrote:You certainly wouldn't get one chaos Codex for both WHFB and 40k today.

Heck, you couldn't get one Chaos Codex in a single game now, never mind spanning both

**theHandofGork**

Lexx wrote:Yeah he had parents in the back-story. Far as I can remember. Unless you want to do the superman cliche of finding the baby in a crater....

You mean like a primarch?

Someone had to say it. These threads degenerate quickly, I'll step away now.

**RaptorsTalon**

It would be great to think that Sigmar was a Primarch but due to the fact that GW say the worlds aren't linked I don't think he can be.

**JSK-Fox**

Just wait for 15th edition - the edition where Space Marines liberate the planet!

**Battle Brother Lucifer**

I like the idea of Sigmar as a primarch. Didn't he kill a bunch of stuff when he was 4? (like a few primarchs did)

**gendoikari87**

What I heard was that to GW Terra and the warhammer world were at one time linked, or even the same world, Something about the creators of the eldar (or the eldar themselves) being the old ones and then WFB and 40K became two different universes and from there the two universes went to wildly different tangents