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Hello Dakka,

I am relativley new to Orks, been playing them 2 months and i have aquired a mis-match of units which are good for blostering lists and the like but I need my army to have a specific theme, as I know that Orks aren't a Jack-of-all-Trades army. So after mulling about I decided on a theme. The Orky Burnas theme is rare from what I can tell.

So is it possible to make Orky Burnas competive? I am guessing I will need a core of Burnas with some transports with other burny units backing them up.

Questions:

1. Is it possible to make this list competitive, any help on list building would be useful.

2. Which units are madnatory for this army? I was thinking maybe a hard core of boyz with pleanty of Burnas in vehicles zooming around doing drive-bys and the like. With Skorcha buggies aswell to add more flame and maybe a couple of Looted Wagons with Boomguns sat at the back.

3. Which vehicles for Burna Boyz to travel in, baring in mind my games are between 750 and 1250 points?

4. Are Skorchas a viable unit as they are rarely used, also any tips on making some or converting from other things would be helpful?

5. Is it best to turn the list into full-blown template spam?

6. Any other tips on which units to invest in?

The army does not have to be ubber-competetive just not downright rubbish as I will probably get a good laugh from it anyways.

Thanks guys and gals.

EDIT: Here is a link to my army list up for review but it is reccomended oyu read some of the below posts if you wish. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/314519.page

Off the top of my head PK's seem like they would be a must so that you have the ability to deal with armor. I would think a Kustom Forcefield so that you stand a chance at getting up close. Those are pretty much core Ork concepts by the way so I guess I didn't offer much help.

Well Burnas counts as a PW in CC so I'm kinda sorted in that department. But i will still include PK's to deal with tanks and the like.

Burna boys in battle wagons and kommandos with burnas though they take up the same slot. Skortcha trakks, nobs squads with combi skortchas, bik mek with kff and burna, deff dreads and kans with skortchas. There are lotsa burny things in that codex, I can see it working out while being ridiculously fun. The only thing is getting the burnas there, and making sure you have a way to open transports from the outside so as to get to the juicy insides with burnas, battle wagons would do this quite effectively.

Wow yes didn't realise that much Burny stuff was available. Nomnomnom. AlsoI think Looted Wagons may be a good way to transport the Burna boyz as they can have a Skorcha attatched to them.

Don't forget about nob troops, that besides their usual omgwtfbbq shenanigans, also get kombi-skorchas, perfect for really softening up an enemy.

And looted wagons IMO, suck.. BW are more durable and trukks are fast at the very least.

How do you compensate for a BS or 2? Burnas! Yes burna orks are definately competative.

Scarp the Looted Wagons. they do little of anything. either borrow a trukk from a unit or stuff them in a battle wagon

but yes burnas can be very deadly indeed. 10 of them and a big mek with KFF and burna in a battle wagon can kill pretty much any infantry they touch

Right then, so begins the vehicle discussion, the only reason I was saying Looted Wagon was that it is much cheaper than a battlewagon and can have Skorcha attatched to it. Also I'm not exactly rolling in dough so spending £40 on a transport when I could just get a Rhino cheap off Ebay or somet seems a bit silly to me. But I see what you mean about Looted Wagons not being fast or too heavily, I just looked at them as a comprise between Trukks and BatlleWagons.

Do the people you play with are cool with FW rules? You could take a big trakk which is basically a much better looted wagon without the weaknesses. plus it can have a super skorcha at the cost of half its transport (or just switch out its 2 big shootas for 2 skorchas)

Well I dont own and IA books but I'll take a look, on another note, has anyone had any experience with Skorcha Buggies and has any useful advice on how/if to use them.

Thanks for all the replies.

Burnas are deadly, throw them in a battlewagon or trukk for daedliness.
As a sidenote, Dash uses a max squad of burnas and Ghazgull in a battlewagon. Ghaz goes after one unit while the burnas go after another. Very effective.


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Burnas are deadly, throw them in a battlewagon or trukk for deadliness.
As a sidenote, Dash uses a max squad of burnas and Ghazgull in a battlewagon. Ghaz goes after one unit while the burnas go after another. Very effective.

The problem with the burna themed list is your going to have no problem torching infantry, but you need to open transports up. For that you have lootas (elites), Killa Kanz (heavy support, as are your battlewagons, which you will probably need to move burnaboyz around), and warbuggies with rokkits (which wouldn't have skorchas if they had rokkits)

Those are about your only options for opening transports and exposing the contents to burnination. you could always wait for your enemy to jump out, but they won't in front of your mass template death.

It's a cool idea though, a squad of nobz in a wagon with kombi-skorchas everywhere could be a neat scoring unit. You'd also need a warboss and at least one more wagon for the burna boyz, then dedicate the rest of your list to blasting open transports.

This is probably a higher-point-level idea, and you'd need to spend some cash, but my recommendation would be to put your Burna units of 10 or 12 in Battlewagons with Deffrollas. Running the 'wagon into any transport will almost certainly destroy it, forcing the people inside to disembark; if you maneuvered correctly, you should be able to torch them immediately afterward no matter what exit they use. This only works if you move at combat speed, so it might not be ideal, but if it really comes down to it, your Burnas can always disembark and then shoot.

It's too bad that battle wagons are expensive (at least if your not in a position were your making "spending money") but I think they are the best option to put the burnas in. Unfortunately lootas and burnas take up the same slot so you will need to get a good anti av punch somewhere else ala battle wagons with deff rollas. Depending on where you play and who against you can get away with battlewagon counts as vehicles. You can prolly find landraider tracks on ebay cheap and that is always a good place to start for BW conversions.

Two units of burnas and a unit of lootas sound like a good mix to me, or perhaps the other way around?

Well I'm guessing there still isn't a definitive answer as to whether Deffrollas damage vehicles? I just don't want to have no opponent because of all that cheese. If the Deffrolla isn't used as damaging vehicles, will the battlewagon reclaim its cost back because I will be playing against a Land Raider in most my games and is the extra armour worth the extra points?

Anyway back on topic, I'm looking on Ebay for a Land Raider to use. Its good because I was going to have a theme of looted vehicles throughout my army, preferably all Chaos vehicles, so that means a Land Raier won't look to out of place. And yes, my opponent are leniant on count-as and the like as we all have small armies and not much cash anyway.

As for anti-MEQ, Im going to have a group of Nobz with PKs and kombi-skorchas going around messing up transports anyway so I'm not really bothered about lack of Lootas/whatever. If i'm that desperate I'll just give some of the boyz Rokkitz instead of Big Shootas.

You can Deffroll anything. ANYTHING. Ramming has been FAQed to be a type of tank shock where the Deffrolla works.

Also- you are an Ork! You can turn a Rhino into a Deffrolla equipped Battlewagon. I suggest creating a Vindicator style shield to show the higher armor, then build a howdah on the roof. Finally, glue two GW paint pots together- this simulates a Deffrolla's size almost precisely. Mount them on some sort of arms and you'll be good to go. Sprinkle it with gubbinz, battle damage, and extra plates of plasticard (old credit cards, cereal boxes, and blister packaging all work well for this on the cheap). You now have a labor intensive Battlewagon that will thrill your warboss for years to come.

Well..Rhino it is then... I wasn't sure about the size but I guess its not too much of a problem as long as i have some fething great seige shield on the front like you suggested. Thanks for the re-assurance, you've just restored my confidence.

Yea the rollas work for vehicles, it's in the ork faq, and if your gonna take a battle wagon it's pretty much necessary. And it's a rare day someone is going to complain about a landraider to battle wagon conversion as they were pretty standard until the actual BW came out, and are about the same size, big. Plus they are fun to build. Another thing to think about is how this list is going to come together, you are going to need scoring units on top of the expensive burnas and battle wagons and you will have to find that balance. I can see trukk boys filling this roll, simply getting them to there objectives quickly then going to ground once there. then maybe a small grot unit for back feild objectives, keeping everything cheap.

But you could also do nobs with combi skortchas in a BW, keeping with the BW theme (if you even decide to go that route) and they will be a tough unit, but they will also be expensive and you will need a warboss to make them scoring, which will be more points. So you should try putting an army list together to see how all the points costs will work out, it will give you a better idea of what you actually want. Then maybe post it in the army list section and you will get some more advice.

As for using a rhino for a BW conversion, I would imagine you would catch alot of slack for that, there are usually no problems with land raider conversions because well they are big, and so are the BW models themselves. If your using a rhino which is significantly smaller you can run into problems with certain players as they will see making a smaller target "modeling for advantage", unless you up size it in the conversion. Rhinos are usually the basis for looted wagons, which can be fun but are sorta meh. I wouldn't mind personally though, as long as it looks like it can actually carry 20 guys and push a deffrolla.

Well I guess I can always saw the back off and add an extra troop compartment but I see where you're coming from. I've got plenty of 'tool I can use with a large stock of wood so I'm sure i'll sort something out, its more about cost-effeciency rather than anything.

And yes i will try and post an army list soon when I figure out how I will deal with everything that I will face.

Wouldn't it be more helpful to post the list in this thread or is that just me?

Highlordell wrote:Well I guess I can always saw the back off and add an extra troop compartment but I see where you're coming from. I've got plenty of 'tool I can use with a large stock of wood so I'm sure i'll sort something out, its more about cost-effeciency rather than anything.

And yes i will try and post an army list soon when I figure out how I will deal with everything that I will face.

Wouldn't it be more helpful to post the list in this thread or is that just me?

Well, the most polite thing would be to start an Army List thread in the List forum, and then just post a link to it here for people to follow you if they wanted to.

And I second a Rhino being too little to be a BW. However, there's nothing against you using the Rhino as an ingredient in one; one of my favorite scratchbuilt BWs is a sort-of reverse halftrack with an entire old-school Rhino in the front, some monster-truck wheels in the back, and the main hull of the wagon perched on top. I like the intimidation factor of "you call dat weedy fing a tank? Hurrhurr, it might be good fer spare bits! WAAAGH!!!"

KFF mek, burna, eavy armor-110
KFF mek, burna, eavy armor-110

15xburnas-225
15xburnas-225
15xburnas-225

deff dread, skorchax2-85
deff dread, skorchax2-85

Skorcha, RPJ-45
Skorcha, RPJ-45

wagon, RPJ, deffrolla-115
wagon, RPJ, deffrolla-115
wagon, RPJ, deffrolla-115


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burnas go in the wagons with the meks....
in this list you have 47 burnas and 6 heavy flamers.

fiiiire......


also, the deffrollas take out the heavy armored stuff.


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by the way that is 1500 exactly.

That list would definitely put some hurt on but umm... How are you gonna score?

Right then a list in the army list forum it is then...

@ stompydakka:

I like the list, but the problem is that there are no scoring units

Right i'll post the link in a bit.

stompydakka wrote:KFF mek, burna, eavy armor-110
KFF mek, burna, eavy armor-110

15xburnas-225
15xburnas-225
15xburnas-225

deff dread, skorchax2-85
deff dread, skorchax2-85

Skorcha, RPJ-45
Skorcha, RPJ-45

wagon, RPJ, deffrolla-115
wagon, RPJ, deffrolla-115
wagon, RPJ, deffrolla-115


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burnas go in the wagons with the meks....
in this list you have 47 burnas and 6 heavy flamers.

fiiiire......


also, the deffrollas take out the heavy armored stuff.


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by the way that is 1500 exactly.

Smells like victory!

yournamehere wrote:That list would definitely put some hurt on but umm... How are you gonna score?

You don't have to score if the enemy is burnt to a crisp.

@ xx BlazingGhost xx: UNfortunately I'm not sure i can rely on killnig all my enemies 100% of the time I'm afraid.

Right folks here is the list I have made which need picking to bits pronto!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/314519.page

xxBlazinGhostxx wrote:

yournamehere wrote:That list would definitely put some hurt on but umm... How are you gonna score?

You don't have to score if the enemy is burnt to a crisp.

lol fair enough.

There's an Ork player at my FLGS that converted a Baneblade into his Warboss's Battlewagon. Real Orkz loot IG after an Apoc game.