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Albatross wrote:You don't get to decide what I think is trippy.
Sorry, champ.
I'm not trying to, I'm simply stating that 'trippy' is not synonymous with 'weird'. Something can be trippy without being necessarily weird, and vice versa. Often, the goal of 'trippy' music is to create sounds that have a profound effect on the body high of LSD and other hallucinogens, to use odd time signatures to defy expectation, or to insert aspects into the music that can only be deciphered on hallucinogens (heavily distorted vocals are a good example). None of this is explicitly weird, though there is often a middle ground between the two to stimulate abstract thought and to draw the attention of an extremely short attention span.
I apologize if it seems I was trying to control your opinion; I was simply trying to prove an important point.
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Tripping your balls off to progressive/technical metal must be too intense for you.
Metal and trippy don't go together. Thats like Ska and hardcore. The terms do not mix.
I'm not trying to, I'm simply stating that 'trippy' is not synonymous with 'weird'. Something can be trippy without being necessarily weird, and vice versa. Often, the goal of 'trippy' music is to create sounds that have a profound effect on the body high of LSD and other hallucinogens, to use odd time signatures to defy expectation, or to insert aspects into the music that can only be deciphered on hallucinogens (heavily distorted vocals are a good example).
Erratic time signatures don't make something trippy. Discordance does not have that effect on the brain. It's agitating, not trance inducing.
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Albatross wrote:You don't get to decide what I think is trippy.
Sorry, champ.
I'm not trying to, I'm simply stating that 'trippy' is not synonymous with 'weird'. Something can be trippy without being necessarily weird, and vice versa. Often, the goal of 'trippy' music is to create sounds that have a profound effect on the body high of LSD and other hallucinogens, to use odd time signatures to defy expectation, or to insert aspects into the music that can only be deciphered on hallucinogens (heavily distorted vocals are a good example). None of this is explicitly weird, though there is often a middle ground between the two to stimulate abstract thought and to draw the attention of an extremely short attention span.
I apologize if it seems I was trying to control your opinion; I was simply trying to prove an important point.
A point I am acutely aware of, even if I disagree with the level of importance you are attaching to it. Also, I don't agree that 'trippy' doesn't equal 'weird' - both terms are suffiently vague as to render any definitive semantic assignment to either pretty pointless. Context is a better determinant of a word's utility in this instance. If we're talking about psychadelia or psychadelic music, then 'weird' (to mean 'odd' or 'uncanny' for example) is pretty appropriate, as much music of that type is designed with creating an atmosphere of exotic 'strangeness' in mind, with the ultimate goal of producing a certain mental response. Much psychadelic music and art can be said to be weird - weirdness is a common stylistic indicator of the form.
Yes, not everything that is weird is neccesarily psychadelic, however most things that are psychadelic are weird to most people.
It's a moot point because the thread isn't titled 'Psychadelic Music', it's titled 'Trippy Music'. 'Weird' for 'trippy' is a reasonable semantic substitution, as the latter can be used colloquially in place of the former. I've certainlly heard it used like this on more than one occasion.
Also, in my post I made no mention of my selection being more 'trippy', I only said that it was more 'weird'. Which it is.
ShumaGorath wrote:Metal and trippy don't go together. Thats like Ska and hardcore. The terms do not mix.
This is where I beg to differ. So long as the metal in question is very well-produced, melodic, and reasonably complex (preferrably without vocals), it can compliment a psychadelic experience extremely well, despite producing an effect that differs greatly from other music that is aimed at the same demographic.
The incredibly fast tempo has a rapid-fire effect on the body high, and can pack more potential diversity into one song than any other genre can manage. Having an occasional stressful moment makes the 'good' aspects of the music even better. Erratic time signatures are much easier to understand when you're tripping, and they switch the desired mood of a song very quickly. They also serve to keep your focus on the music itself, instead of allowing you to learn the progressions of a song quickly and drifting off as a result, and can ocassionally cause your mind to formulate progressions that don't even exist within the song itself.
There is actually metal that caters specifically to this kind of experience. Check out The Faceless (esp. Planetary Duality), Blotted Science, and Sleep Terror; they all create music with acid very much in mind. It's actually all very similar to Acid Jazz (which is explicitly technical for all of the same reasons), with a much more intense and varied result.
Erratic time signatures don't make something trippy. Discordance does not have that effect on the brain. It's agitating, not trance inducing.
Discordance has nothing to do with technical complexity; melody is still very possible within a technical song. Some people aren't aiming for a trance, and rather enjoy 'riding the wave' produced by incredibly technical music. I've personally eaten over four-hundred hits of LSD in my lifetime, along with numerous other hallucinogenic drugs, and I've landed on technical/progressive metal as my very favorite genre to listen to while I'm tripping, and I've managed to convince nearly everyone I trip with of the same thing.
If you can't handle it or don't like it personally, then that's one thing, but assuming that the genre has absolutely no psychadelic potential because of that is projecting your opinion a little too far.
Albatross wrote:A point I am acutely aware of, even if I disagree with the level of importance you are attaching to it. Also, I don't agree that 'trippy' doesn't equal 'weird' - both terms are suffiently vague as to render any definitive semantic assignment to either pretty pointless. Context is a better determinant of a word's utility in this instance. If we're talking about psychadelia or psychadelic music, then 'weird' (to mean 'odd' or 'uncanny' for example) is pretty appropriate, as much music of that type is designed with creating an atmosphere of exotic 'strangeness' in mind, with the ultimate goal of producing a certain mental response. Much psychadelic music and art can be said to be weird - weirdness is a common stylistic indicator of the form.
Yes, not everything that is weird is neccesarily psychadelic, however most things that are psychadelic are weird to most people.
It's a moot point because the thread isn't titled 'Psychadelic Music', it's titled 'Trippy Music'. 'Weird' for 'trippy' is a reasonable semantic substitution, as the latter can be used colloquially in place of the former. I've certainlly heard it used like this on more than one occasion.
Also, in my post I made no mention of my selection being more 'trippy', I only said that it was more 'weird'. Which it is.
I only made the distinction because I thought you assumed that Shuma was attempting to post something that was weird (in defense of yourself, no less), when he was posting music that is purely of a psychadelic nature. I place value in the distinction because psychadelics are a large part of my life, and to see a word that is specific to psychadelia so easily written off by a general term bothers me.
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This song isn't really "trippy", but it is awesome and some people that aren't nerds may think it is weird. Titan by Hammerfall. The song is about colonizing Saturn's Moon Titan after earth gets nuked.
Also, the song King Rat by the band Modest Mouse. It's about whales hunting for humans. Look up the music video on youtube.
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If you can't handle it or don't like it personally, then that's one thing, but assuming that the genre has absolutely no psychadelic potential because of that is projecting your opinion a little too far.
I base my opinion on the genres total failure to pull it off. I don't imagine it's failure because of my opinion. Chicken and the egg there. Show me a trippy metal song and I'll take it back. You have yet too .
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ShumaGorath wrote:I base my opinion on the genres total failure to pull it off. I don't imagine it's failure because of my opinion. Chicken and the egg there. Show me a trippy metal song and I'll take it back. You have yet too .
Not to condone anything, but this requires a bit of role reversal here. If you're expecting the song itself to produce a hallucinogenic or trance-like effect all by itself, then I can't help you (and in that sense, you are correct). However, if you were to listen to the music that I posted while experiencing the effects of a psychadelic drug (in an open-minded context), then all of my points concerning the subject would become incredibly clear to you.
I'm not saying that you should, I'm just saying that you would have to in order to understand exactly what I mean.
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Not to condone anything, but this requires a bit of role reversal here. If you're expecting the song itself to produce a hallucinogenic or trance-like effect all by itself, then I can't help you (and in that sense, you are correct). However, if you were to listen to the music that I posted while experiencing the effects of a psychadelic drug (in an open-minded context), then all of my points concerning the subject would become incredibly clear to you.
A song can produce trance like effects easily, many do. The entire genre of trance is based around the concept. Most tribal music was designed in similar fashion. If we're just going to down some LSD then listen to music then any song can be hallucinogenic since you're transmitting the property from the drugs to the song by virtue of proximity, rather than any real neurological connection.
I'm not saying that you should, I'm just saying that you would have to in order to understand exactly what I mean.
I know what you mean by how you described it, you're just placing too much emphasis on musical selection when in truth it really doesn't matter whats playing in the situation you describe.
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