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I like the Beatles trippiness.

ShumaGorath wrote:A song can produce trance like effects easily, many do. The entire genre of trance is based around the concept. Most tribal music was designed in similar fashion. If we're just going to down some LSD then listen to music then any song can be hallucinogenic since you're transmitting the property from the drugs to the song by virtue of proximity, rather than any real neurological connection.

We're arguing two completely different points here. I'm arguing for the music that is most conducive to an LSD experience, while you're arguing for the music that has the potential to be a psychadelic experience in itself.

While any song can certainly become psychadelic under the influence of LSD, there are certainly genres of music which are specifically geared towards an LSD trip, and produced specifically to take full advantage of the drug. I don't think there's any denying that specific point. Even if it may not be conducive to putting someone in a trance-like state, strange use of time signatures is a definite hallmark of 'Good Acid Music' and not much else, because of the way it makes use of the effects of the drug and makes it difficult to listen to while sober.

I know what you mean by how you described it, you're just placing too much emphasis on musical selection when in truth it really doesn't matter whats playing in the situation you describe.

In all honesty, finding music that takes full advantage of acid-logic is just as much of an art as finding music that takes full advantage of the sober mind. Again, there are specific, tangible traits that you must look for if you're trying to get the absolute most out of your psychadelic experience, and it's not all based in opinion.

You might not place any value in this, and you may write it off as nonsense, but I most definitely value acid-specific music to an insane degree.

We're arguing two completely different points here. I'm arguing for the music that is most conducive to an LSD experience, while you're arguing for the music that has the potential to be a psychadelic experience in itself.

While any song can certainly become psychadelic under the influence of LSD, there are certainly genres of music which are specifically geared towards an LSD trip, and produced specifically to take full advantage of the drug. I don't think there's any denying that specific point. Even if it may not be conducive to putting someone in a trance-like state, strange use of time signatures is a definite hallmark of 'Good Acid Music' and not much else, because of the way it makes use of the effects of the drug and makes it difficult to listen to while sober.

This topic is about trippy music, not music that you use to guide a psychedelic trip induced by drugs. Logically within the same process, but not the same.

In all honesty, finding music that takes full advantage of acid-logic is just as much of an art as finding music that takes full advantage of the sober mind. Again, there are specific, tangible traits that you must look for if you're trying to get the absolute most out of your psychadelic experience, and it's not all based in opinion.

Yes, discordance can effect an acid trip in the same way that it effects a conscious mind. We've been arguing past each other primarily because you've been arguing outside of the context of the thread and because I misunderstood what you meant by "trippy music". It's not all based on opinion, though I would warn you against assuming that there are anything beyond most basic audio trends in regards to the neurology of sound experience while under the effects of hallucinogens. It also differs greatly by hallucinogen (some of them react very poorly to agressive soundscapes just the same as they do to agressive situations). Just as musical tastes are owned by the individual, no two experience most forms of hallucinogenic experiences in the same way.

You might not place any value in this, and you may write it off as nonsense, but I most definitely value acid-specific music to an insane degree.

It's not nonsense, you just love acid apparently. Presumably I would value that as well (if I was into it).

ShumaGorath wrote:This topic is about trippy music, not music that you use to guide a psychedelic trip induced by drugs. Logically within the same process, but not the same.

Whenever I use the word 'trippy', it is always in the context of 'benefitted by/beneficial towards a drug-induced psychadelic experience'. That's definitely one of the meanings of the word, and is the defacto usage within my social circle. I've beaten my mind into desensitization with far too many drugs over the years to view things in any other way.

Yes, discordance can effect an acid trip in the same way that it effects a conscious mind. We've been arguing past each other primarily because you've been arguing outside of the context of the thread and because I misunderstood what you meant by "trippy music". It's not all based on opinion, though I would warn you against assuming that there are anything beyond most basic audio trends in regards to the neurology of sound experience while under the effects of hallucinogens. It also differs greatly by hallucinogen (some of them react very poorly to agressive soundscapes just the same as they do to agressive situations). Just as musical tastes are owned by the individual, no two experience most forms of hallucinogenic experiences in the same way.

From my perspective, I'm perfectly within the bounds of this thread, and this is just a semantic misunderstanding. The very first post made reference to what I can only assume was either Sin or K2, which has nothing to do with sobriety, even if it's not psychadelic in nature. I'm not saying that my music will be the best possible music to fry your brain to, but I will assert that my music is certainly more LSD-oriented than, say, the radio (And I can actually explain why, to a degree). Also, LSD is generally considered to be the top hallucinogen in terms of 'affecting and being affected by music and sound', so that's my brain's first response when you ask me to post music of a psychadelic nature. Your ability to handle yourself on any hallucinogen, regardless of outside influence, directly correlates with your ability to occupy a place of neutrality, which comes with practice and experience.

Also, there are certain aspects of hallucinogenic drugs which are extremely consistant (even between users), and I have absolutely no idea where the ridiculous popular conception concerning psychadelic drugs stems from. Honestly, it pisses me off.

It's not nonsense, you just love acid apparently. Presumably I would value that as well (if I was into it).

ShumaGorath wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:You dudes listen to some trippy stuff

This thread was amateur hour until now.

He happens to be an expert at these things.

Page two of a thread on trippy music, and no one's mentioned The Flaming Lips? Criminal.

gorgon wrote:Page two of a thread on trippy music, and no one's mentioned The Flaming Lips? Criminal.

This goes back to the difference between trippy and silly music. Though their cover album of Dark Side of the Moon with Henry Rawlins could definitely fall into the category.

ShumaGorath wrote:

gorgon wrote:Page two of a thread on trippy music, and no one's mentioned The Flaming Lips? Criminal.

This goes back to the difference between trippy and silly music. Though their cover album of Dark Side of the Moon with Henry Rawlins could definitely fall into the category.

Agreed on the latter point, but most of their stuff isn't silly. She Don't Use Jelly or the Yoshimi title track(s) might qualify as silly, but their overall work and albums are most definitely psychedelic/space rock.

And some Old School trippiness:




And a little Trip to the Brain!



(Okay, the last probably does not fit most of your ideas of Trippy, but it fits the theme in my mind.)

Hooah

gorgon wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

gorgon wrote:Page two of a thread on trippy music, and no one's mentioned The Flaming Lips? Criminal.

This goes back to the difference between trippy and silly music. Though their cover album of Dark Side of the Moon with Henry Rawlins could definitely fall into the category.

Agreed on the latter point, but most of their stuff isn't silly. She Don't Use Jelly or the Yoshimi title track(s) might qualify as silly, but their overall work and albums are most definitely psychedelic/space rock.

I once watched The Flaming Lips at a festival whilst on ecstasy and mushrooms. I was actually coping quite well until they played music from 'The Wizard of Oz' over the PA whilst footage of a street execution in Vietnam played on an endless loop on a big screen. There may have been a bubble-machine involved.


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