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Yeah a tactical squad use to cost 35$ now it costs 37.50$

Wow I'm glad i hit my max already.... Anyway has anyone else noticed that the Black Reach which once cost 50$ now it costs 90$ D:

What is going on?

A Valkyrie now costs 62$.

OK seriously is this because of the economy? Because i was planning on doing a purchase sorta like this

2x death company 66$

1x devastator squad 33$

I was wanting to buy a Valkyrie for 57$ so there goes my imperial guard army.

At least the Battle Force is now only 90$. Should I use Amazon from now on? Have you guys also gotten a little mad at GW lately?

Because all my gaming buddies have, ever since the Stores now close at 7:00 PM, i have been collecting scenery so that me and my buddies can play in my basement. Which has air condition and also has enough room to basically make fun of the battle bunker, and I am also working on 3 armies. But ever since GW raised its prices, that ruined my plan completely, so i have given up on my store.

As it seems that i cannot go there as I usually arrive at GW at 6:00.

Seriously my GW guy has a 1 hour and a 30 minute lunch breaks between 3:30 and 5:00. D:. My respect for dave has fallen dramatically.....

I'm sorry but Thats why i stopped coming to GW. Also has anyone else pulled off what I have?

Sorry about the crappy sentence structure, Have to type this in a hurry....

o.O

What's the question?

Have you noticed the price changes?

Yes I have.

What about it?

Do you feel angry about it? Has this made you leave your LGS? Has this done anything to affect your hobby? Has this made you upset? Have you stopped buying GW products? etc.
Explain all of them. O.o Thats basically what i am asking.

Uhh, I can tell you that it's changing what kind of armies I am going to build. Does it make me angry? Not quite. More like disappointed that we'll see 3+% price hikes every year is beyond the economical model. They raise their prices faster than just about any manufacturer I can think of.

Now that squads are almost 40 bucks and a vehicle is around that as well, one marine tac squad in a rhino now costs you close to $90. That means most armies can't even get a legal army for less than $100 - and getting to a decent 1500-1850 list is almost cost prohibitive for many casual or fiscally constrained hobbyists.

I simply cannot afford to build another mech army, nor can I afford tons of IG squads or similar horde armies for the same reason. The point to dollar ratio has drastically changed. My next army is a 30-35 man jump pack pre-heresy World Eaters army using Death Company rules. Why? Because they cost 37 bucks per box of 5 and I can get 1850 with 6 of them and a few heroes.

GW changing prices is not, and should not be held against your LGS. When GW changes retail pricing, they also change the price at which your LGS buys product to sell to you/their customers. I own a game store and I'm furious about it because it actively hurts my customers. They get frustrated and my goal is for them to be happy. They haven't abandoned my store by any stretch, but it isn't fun to watch a player's reaction to finding out that the Land Raider they want is going to set them back $60+

I try to look out for my customers as much as possible to I constantly have GW stuff on sale. In order to not get in trouble I'm always changing exactly what is on sale, but if my customers exercise some patience when they're looking for models, they can eventually get their stuff from me for 20% off of retail. It helps me move more stuff in general and keeps my customers happy. I also tend to give away a ton of product at tournaments (to the point where, if the only thing I take in that day is tournament entries, I break even).

I love to have my customers in my store and buying things, and I strive to make it as easy for them as I can. GW raising prices shouldn't cause you to reflect poorly on your LGS to the point where you leave the shop/community behind. It isn't your LGS's fault that GW product is expensive.

Not having updated codices has caused more anger and frustration over the price change.

Caffran9 wrote:GW changing prices is not, and should not be held against your LGS. When GW changes retail pricing, they also change the price at which your LGS buys product to sell to you/their customers. I own a game store and I'm furious about it because it actively hurts my customers. They get frustrated and my goal is for them to be happy. They haven't abandoned my store by any stretch, but it isn't fun to watch a player's reaction to finding out that the Land Raider they want is going to set them back $60+

I try to look out for my customers as much as possible to I constantly have GW stuff on sale. In order to not get in trouble I'm always changing exactly what is on sale, but if my customers exercise some patience when they're looking for models, they can eventually get their stuff from me for 20% off of retail. It helps me move more stuff in general and keeps my customers happy. I also tend to give away a ton of product at tournaments (to the point where, if the only thing I take in that day is tournament entries, I break even).

I love to have my customers in my store and buying things, and I strive to make it as easy for them as I can. GW raising prices shouldn't cause you to reflect poorly on your LGS to the point where you leave the shop/community behind. It isn't your LGS's fault that GW product is expensive.

Absolutely right. 99%. Except where you said it's expensive. It was expensive 4 years ago. Now it's vastly overpriced and it's debatable, but I'd say cost prohibitive for lots of people.

GW price increases have nothing to do with the economy or inflation. Surges in prices took place during the boom period of the late 90s and onwards.

When I started as a kid Rhinos were 3 to a box for £10.

Caffran9 wrote:GW changing prices is not, and should not be held against your LGS.

Yup, because my FLGS has a $2-$7 (approx, don't know the current currency exchange from SEK to USD) sales-cut on all their GW-stuff.

Add to that that I am a regular and voíla, I have never really been bothered by this. Except that the unit size in every box seem to shrink with every edition...

The rising prices dont make me LEAVE my LGS, I end up there more often lol. Buying directly from the games workshop website is like taking 5-10 dollars, and flushing it down the toilet every single purchase. Ebay is also a good source of reduced price minis. From a reputable seller, a squad of minis without a box will often sell for 10.00 - 20.00 under retail, often much less if you buy multiples or armies.

The thing that DOES drive me a little insane is how with every new version of a squad they slowly reduce the number of models per box but keep the price the same (which is an insanely clever way of raising the prices. People hardly notice if you take out 1-2 marines every couple of years, but consumers immediately lock onto a price hike). I remember back in '95 or so you could get a box of 10 (though at the time really boring looking) tactical marines for around 35 bucks. Now the price is roughly the same for 5 moderately more interesting looking minis. Give it another 15 years and you will be paying the same $37.50 but it will be a picture of a single lonely marine on the cover

What really makes you faceplam is trying to make a 20 strong Ork Loota squad at almost 40.00 a box of 5. I usually pick up a new squad every 6-8 weeks, the days of grabbing 2 battleforces to start an army are gone for me :p Im expecting to pay approx 50-60.00 for my full Kommando and boss Snikrot squad by sale and bid hunting. Still not fun but way better then the $110.00 or so it would take to get 2 boxes of Kommandos, an extra flamer blister and a Snikrot directly from GW

well this is my stores times
12AM-7PM
I get off school at 3:50
I do one hour of school work
4:50.
30 minutes to get there.
5:20 so i have only 1:40 minutes there.
Its not worth going to if it closes at seven for me. As it was once 8:00 but with only one guy at the store It is really annoying.

Asherian Command wrote:well this is my stores times
12AM-7PM
I get off school at 3:50
I do one hour of school work
4:50.
30 minutes to get there.
5:20 so i have only 1:40 minutes there.
Its not worth going to if it closes at seven for me. As it was once 8:00 but with only one guy at the store It is really annoying.

Feel for you, had the same trouble myself when I was younger. Luckily I now live about five mins from the store, so I can spend alot of time there.

Its traffic for me. I live right next to the largest car dealership in Illinois. And not only that but 176 and all the routes in my area are under heavy construction.
But i do have a ton of secereny. My next big purchase is going to be the fortress of redemption.

40k is pretty much dead to me. I had a hankering to build a Guard Army and after pricing it up... twas damn near $1000. Just building and painting the old stock now...

And playing lots of Warmachine. $1000 goes a long way in that game, and I also find that that system lends itself better to spending in installments.

GW for constantly raising their prices. Then when something cheap finally appears, they straight away just raise the price again!
Grrr.

you should probably leave keezus

Here in about a month or two I will embark on a series of articles "Tau on $50 a month" in which I will spend $350 over six months to build a 1500 point Tau army (based on similar article series in White Dwarf.) I plan to pay full retail for everything at my FLGS just to show how it is done. As my army increases in size, I will play a couple of games a month with it and feature battle reports as well.

My Eldar army that I a working on has been built from a combination of old stuff I had leftover, E-bay deals, trades, and two boxes of Dire Avengers bought at full retail from my FLGS.

I accept GW's price hikes as the cost of playing their games. Some things shock me: the cost of a single Swooping Hawk on their website is $15, a box of 6 is just a little more than double that. But overall I realize they are in the business of making money. They are responsible to their stockholders first, and as long as I line up to buy with my battlecry of "Baaa-aa-aa-aa!" it will continue.

I don't buy from GW directly. Inline normally buy from ostores which sell them much cheaper and I live in Australia so we don't have much of a economy issue here.


So at the moment I don't have a problem with GW.

See, what I would do if I were making a wargame, is I would make the main rule book in a binder, and then have all rule changes be in downloadable form, so when I revise one section, I could just put it out on the internet, people could take the old section out, put the new section in, and viola, updated rules!

It would stop people from having to buy new books every edition, as the "editions" would just be rule edits. Save my customers a few bucks, which they would (hopefully) spend on models.

Plenty of game companies did just that.

Notice the tense there?

SlaveToDorkness wrote:Plenty of game companies did just that.

Notice the tense there?

Yes, I do. However, just because people no longer do something doesn't mean it isn't profitable, nor does it mean it's a bad Idea. It just means people don't know how to do it the right way.

Yes, it means those people are out of business.

Really, I think GW and their Millions of dollars in product research plus decades in this industry kinda have an advantage over you.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:Yes, it means those people are out of business.

Really, I think GW and their Millions of dollars in product research plus decades in this industry kinda have an advantage over you.

So the people who coated Eggs in fermeldahide (?) so they would stay "fresh" longer, even though they were rotten on the inside, also had an advantage over me, hmmm? They had a million dollars in product research and decades in their industry....

Rather than trying to purchase an army here and there....use what you have to earn you more. Play in tournaments at your FLGS. Hone your skills so that you can place and take prizes. Use those prizes to build your next army. If you're not good enough to win with one army, its probably safe to say that you're not ready for your next army yet.

I got the bulk of my first army (Tau) from e-bay, and while I spent a couple hundred bucks at my FLGS, most of the additions came from store credit. I bought two AoBR boxes, traded the marines for two others to found an Ork army - and spent a couple hundred dollars over a year or so building it up, but most of it came from tournament prizes. I have 3,000+ points of Dark Eldar - cost me $100 (tournament entry fees). Then I moved to Necrons (continually moving DOWN the competitive slope, trying to play more and more difficult armies) and have 4000 points of Necrons now - mostly acquired from trading out extra stuff of mine, with some supplemental purchases.

Now I'm collecting Space Marines. Thus far I've got 7 razorbacks, a vindicator, 5 land speeders, a land raider, 2 rhinos, 1x predator, 2x baal predators, 20 assault marines, two dreadnoughts, a Captain, Lemartes, a drop pod......all acquired in the last couple of weeks, and the only money I've spent is for shipping - sending people the stuff I don't use / won / etc in exchange for things I might be interested in.

That's my advice: Hone your skills with what you have. Excel at it. Use Vassal (www.vassal40k.info) to test different army lists. You can play people from around the world. Call me a braggart if you like, but you can look me up if you want a serious challenge. I can direct you to 10 other people on Vassal who can curb-stomp most people on any give day. When you've found the balance that meets your play style and can answer whatever people bring to the table....then shell out some money to enter your local tournaments and dominate. $5 entry fee to get yourself a drop pod. $10 entry fee for a battleforce box. 'Ard Boyz is free - last year I went to two preliminaries rounds, took first in both and got $180 in store credit, and just passed my other ticket down to someone else.

Go go go Vassal!

I think I saw a similar complaint about GW pricing ten years ago.

Battleforces are $150 here.

Yes, the exchange rate is .94AU to 1US and it's that much more.


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Dashofpepper wrote:Rather than trying to purchase an army here and there....use what you have to earn you more. Play in tournaments at your FLGS. Hone your skills so that you can place and take prizes. Use those prizes to build your next army. If you're not good enough to win with one army, its probably safe to say that you're not ready for your next army yet.

I got the bulk of my first army (Tau) from e-bay, and while I spent a couple hundred bucks at my FLGS, most of the additions came from store credit. I bought two AoBR boxes, traded the marines for two others to found an Ork army - and spent a couple hundred dollars over a year or so building it up, but most of it came from tournament prizes. I have 3,000+ points of Dark Eldar - cost me $100 (tournament entry fees). Then I moved to Necrons (continually moving DOWN the competitive slope, trying to play more and more difficult armies) and have 4000 points of Necrons now - mostly acquired from trading out extra stuff of mine, with some supplemental purchases.

Now I'm collecting Space Marines. Thus far I've got 7 razorbacks, a vindicator, 5 land speeders, a land raider, 2 rhinos, 1x predator, 2x baal predators, 20 assault marines, two dreadnoughts, a Captain, Lemartes, a drop pod......all acquired in the last couple of weeks, and the only money I've spent is for shipping - sending people the stuff I don't use / won / etc in exchange for things I might be interested in.

That's my advice: Hone your skills with what you have. Excel at it. Use Vassal (www.vassal40k.info) to test different army lists. You can play people from around the world. Call me a braggart if you like, but you can look me up if you want a serious challenge. I can direct you to 10 other people on Vassal who can curb-stomp most people on any give day. When you've found the balance that meets your play style and can answer whatever people bring to the table....then shell out some money to enter your local tournaments and dominate. $5 entry fee to get yourself a drop pod. $10 entry fee for a battleforce box. 'Ard Boyz is free - last year I went to two preliminaries rounds, took first in both and got $180 in store credit, and just passed my other ticket down to someone else.

Go go go Vassal!

Had you mentioned this on the interview with 11th Company right before the tournament 20mins away i'd have tried this :(

Dashofpepper wrote:Rather than trying to purchase an army here and there....use what you have to earn you more. Play in tournaments at your FLGS. Hone your skills so that you can place and take prizes. Use those prizes to build your next army. If you're not good enough to win with one army, its probably safe to say that you're not ready for your next army yet.

I got the bulk of my first army (Tau) from e-bay, and while I spent a couple hundred bucks at my FLGS, most of the additions came from store credit. I bought two AoBR boxes, traded the marines for two others to found an Ork army - and spent a couple hundred dollars over a year or so building it up, but most of it came from tournament prizes. I have 3,000+ points of Dark Eldar - cost me $100 (tournament entry fees). Then I moved to Necrons (continually moving DOWN the competitive slope, trying to play more and more difficult armies) and have 4000 points of Necrons now - mostly acquired from trading out extra stuff of mine, with some supplemental purchases.

Now I'm collecting Space Marines. Thus far I've got 7 razorbacks, a vindicator, 5 land speeders, a land raider, 2 rhinos, 1x predator, 2x baal predators, 20 assault marines, two dreadnoughts, a Captain, Lemartes, a drop pod......all acquired in the last couple of weeks, and the only money I've spent is for shipping - sending people the stuff I don't use / won / etc in exchange for things I might be interested in.

That's my advice: Hone your skills with what you have. Excel at it. Use Vassal (www.vassal40k.info) to test different army lists. You can play people from around the world. Call me a braggart if you like, but you can look me up if you want a serious challenge. I can direct you to 10 other people on Vassal who can curb-stomp most people on any give day. When you've found the balance that meets your play style and can answer whatever people bring to the table....then shell out some money to enter your local tournaments and dominate. $5 entry fee to get yourself a drop pod. $10 entry fee for a battleforce box. 'Ard Boyz is free - last year I went to two preliminaries rounds, took first in both and got $180 in store credit, and just passed my other ticket down to someone else.

Go go go Vassal!

Dash, um... Not all of us are as good as you >.> We can't claim that we are the #1 pro player.

Also, statistically speaking, only 1 person is going to walk away with a decent amount of money at a tourney.

I just actually posted in another thread how I hate Mech Guard armies because I think they are unbeatable. What relevence does this have? Well a guy at my FLGS has an entire Mech Guard army all bought from either the store or Forge World. (Yes this guy has an incredible amount of disposable income) I personally would LOVE to build a Mech Guard army because they seem unbeatable, but with the prices they seem to only cater to people who have loads of money and I think thats unfair.

I was also appalled at the price of codexes now, I payed $15 for my first space marine codex I now payed $30 dollars for my Blood Angels codex. What would make the price of a codex go up. I understand paper and printing prices may go up but its not like GW can't stand to eat a little of the cost I have to imagine they are still making somewhat of a profit. But NOOOO they have to charge us $30 now.

Yes I believe prices are quite rediculous and my friend uses Ebay liberally. I would but I'm not a fan of online shopping plus I do like supporting GW because if they don't get money they go out of buisness, and if they go out of buisness oops no more Warhammer. (But I still hate their new prices)

Side Note: I do not in any way hate GW but I think their prices are outrageous and they do cater to people with loads of money by making things like Mech guard which you know they made vehicles so good in 5th edition so people would go out and buy more tanks which consequently have the higher margin. Very smart GW! It makes me sick though I would be happy if in the next edition vehicles got NERFED!