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What does him having Forge World parts for his Guard have to do with anything?

gazelle wrote:Here in about a month or two I will embark on a series of articles "Tau on $50 a month" in which I will spend $350 over six months to build a 1500 point Tau army (based on similar article series in White Dwarf.) I plan to pay full retail for everything at my FLGS just to show how it is done. As my army increases in size, I will play a couple of games a month with it and feature battle reports as well.

My Eldar army that I a working on has been built from a combination of old stuff I had leftover, E-bay deals, trades, and two boxes of Dire Avengers bought at full retail from my FLGS.

I accept GW's price hikes as the cost of playing their games. Some things shock me: the cost of a single Swooping Hawk on their website is $15, a box of 6 is just a little more than double that. But overall I realize they are in the business of making money. They are responsible to their stockholders first, and as long as I line up to buy with my battlecry of "Baaa-aa-aa-aa!" it will continue.

In Australia it's actually almost impossible to do that as Ordo Dakka mentioned... you can buy a pair of Hounds for $22, a brush for $8, $6 for a pot of paint, $11 for glue... leaving three dollars left over...
From another angle, most Tau units start at $55... so 1x10 Kroot and 1x Fire warriors will leave only $240 codex $33... 211...battle force... 61... modelling supplies easily $30... could have three pathfinders then too. Could someoen who know the rough points work out that list?

1 XV8 (2 drones)
1 Devilfish (2 Drones)
3 XV25's
12 Firewarriors
22 Kroot
3 Pathfinders

Reported some for constantly breaking forum #1 rule ,
though lets see if mods do anything about it.

You were the hall monitor in school, weren't you?

evilsponge wrote:You were the hall monitor in school, weren't you?

You wish i were your hall monitor

........I'm confused and aroused.

The price hikes have been happening nearly as long as the hobby. GW are a company with shareholders these days. What they do isn't surprising really. Even if I don't like it it's going to happen.

LunaHound wrote:Reported some for constantly breaking forum #1 rule ,
though lets see if mods do anything about it.

Who was being impolite Luna?

Yeah I'm a bit confused too, that was Lunas first post in here... maybe they are lost?

So all this thread is then is a rant at GW price hikes?
Lets face it, they happen pretty much every year now, sometimes twice a year, i doubt this will ever change.

Best bet is to buy from a third party and get a nice descount.


Failing that, go with another system.

Greater daemons are what, £35 each? and thats for a reasonable sized model (by thier standards)




Thats from hordes.
It does has a 50mm base, so its clearly a fair bit bigger than the greater daemons.
It is however only £20

I only hate GWAU prices. Ordering from Maelstrom is about half the price of buying at any brick and mortar store or GWAU itself. If GW ever releases a plastic Sisters of Battle kit, I'll be buying about eight boxes worth at 10% off GWUK prices.

Asherian Command wrote:well this is my stores times
12AM-7PM
I get off school at 3:50
I do one hour of school work
4:50.
30 minutes to get there.
5:20 so i have only 1:40 minutes there.
Its not worth going to if it closes at seven for me. As it was once 8:00 but with only one guy at the store It is really annoying.

How about you make an agreement with your parents: do two hours of homework one day (or an extra 10 minutes the rest of the week), none the next? That would give you an extra hour at the store.

I consider you lucky.. in canada a tactical is $42,
the commander box for 1 guy is $30,
lysander is $30
Black reach is 110
a battle force is 120!
I would be happy to pay 90....


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I bought 5termies and 1 dread before black reach and it was close to 120..

I have been repainting models, rebuilding, doing more conversions, and really honoring each squad for its worth because i haven't been buying anything for almost 6 months.
The last thing i got was 5 dark angel vets because vets cost 30 and 5 little sterngaurd models are $45! that is just pathetic.. $45 for 5 guys! seriously only 5.. that is just wrong! WRONG. I charge $40 an hour for my time, about $12 of it goes to costs, and its impossible to book a solid day of work. That is not near enough to be spending money on models... at least not much. Maybe when the economy is better... oh wait its only going down

yea price increases suck, i console myself with the knowledge i get 20% off, free shiupping and no sales tax, basically 27.5% off from buying in a gw.

I want to expand my army, but its like argh prices, maybe it will be better soon, argh prices are worse again... and i just keep getting pushed off. Its breaking my heart.

kaidsin wrote:I consider you lucky.. in canada a tactical is $42,
the commander box for 1 guy is $30,
lysander is $30
Black reach is 110
a battle force is 120!
I would be happy to pay 90....

I'll just leave this here, battleforces are $150 in AUS.

120.00 CAD = 122.860 AUD
1 CAD = 1.02384 AUD 1 AUD = 0.976719 CAD

Third party miniatures are the way to go here people: it's a big galaxy out there, who are we to say what can be found within?

That being said, it does seem that we only have cheap third party guardsmen right now. There are other things, though you have to get innovative. Also: no GW tournaments/events for you!

On the up side, you infuse some real variation into the game model-wise.

GW's rampant avarice is nothing new. Remember the paint pots anyone? They will do pretty much anything to squeeze more cash out of people for essentially nothing.

It's pretty much why I swore off buying new GW product about 10 years ago. I only buy used 40K stuff and hobby supplies from other companies. GW can gouge other people as much as they are able, but they won't do it to me anymore.

I save a lot of money trading/buying used stuff on rogue market. Thats how I do my part to say "FU" to GW's prices

Just out of Curiosity (no sarcasm here, seriously) has GW ever lowered their prices?

EDIT: let me rephrase that, if the economy improves does anyone think that GW will lower their prices, and is there a precedent for this?

I got into the hobby roughly two years ago and already my money doesn't go as far as I did when I purchased my first army. I feel the OPs pain, this bugs the hell out of me. I really want to pick up some of the new Dark Eldar when they come out, but not if it means choosing between shiny new models and electricity...or food.

You think that's bad? Try making a Sisters army.

There's no more 10 model box. So you buy three 3-model boxes, two special weapon boxes, and a VSS box if you don't want to just have her wield a bolter and nothing else.

So... that's $87 for a single Battle Sister squad with seven bolters, a heavy flamer, a meltagun, and a veteran sister superior. And after paying all of this, you won't have any extra bitz left over. They're all metal models. And the models aren't even all that great. Emperor help you if you want a full squad of twenty...

(Seraphim are even worse, you have to buy them individually, so a full squad of Seraphim costs $126)

Dashofpepper,

I am fond of your battle reports and recognize you as a top player but... you play at -- and compete at a different level than most, but I didn't think it'd changed your worldview of the 40kverse that much to think it's easy for even 'good' players to win an army.

You travel quite a bit for tournaments, which must cost you way more than most people spend on a simple second GW army. You win yours, and probably have a good income or source of wealth allowing you to travel to these events. Realistically, some people are simply prohibited by life circumstances to invest in travel, or the cost of a tournament (the Mechanicon ticket I'm saving my small amount of expendable income for is $125), or the cost of the models combined with how much free time they have to spend to be competitive enough to 'win' armies.

I have to take issue with the way you dismiss people wanting a secondary army if they can't win it. I hope you're joking when you say that if you can't win an army by going to every tournament in your half the the country and win consistently that you don't need another army. This is a hobby and people deserve what they can afford to collect.

This thread is about affordability at its heart - and in that way, every 10% raise GW does yearly affects the amount of people who can build competitive armies, or afford to collect a second army, or buy expansion units for a core army they've been collecting--it just shrinks and we have fewer people to play games with outside of Vassal (which although I recognize as a good way to 'train' it is NOT a real game and doesn't give me satisfaction in the hobby)

Zain~

@Dashofpepper

In canada there is very little tournament wise. I mean, there is not even a GW in my town.

Dashofpepper,

I am fond of your battle reports and recognize you as a top player but... you play at -- and compete at a different level than most, but I didn't think it'd changed your worldview of the 40kverse that much to think it's easy for even 'good' players to win an army.

You travel quite a bit for tournaments, which must cost you way more than most people spend on a simple second GW army. You win yours, and probably have a good income or source of wealth allowing you to travel to these events. Realistically, some people are simply prohibited by life circumstances to invest in travel, or the cost of a tournament (the Mechanicon ticket I'm saving my small amount of expendable income for is $125), or the cost of the models combined with how much free time they have to spend to be competitive enough to 'win' armies.

I have to take issue with the way you dismiss people wanting a secondary army if they can't win it. I hope you're joking when you say that if you can't win an army by going to every tournament in your half the the country and win consistently that you don't need another army. This is a hobby and people deserve what they can afford to collect.

This thread is about affordability at its heart - and in that way, every 10% raise GW does yearly affects the amount of people who can build competitive armies, or afford to collect a second army, or buy expansion units for a core army they've been collecting--it just shrinks and we have fewer people to play games with outside of Vassal (which although I recognize as a good way to 'train' it is NOT a real game and doesn't give me satisfaction in the hobby)

Zain~

Not to jump out and try to defend someone who doesn't really need anyones help lol, but I think you took Dash's post the wrong way. Its just another way to make a little extra disposable income to help fund the hobby, with the hobby. Sure not everyone is going to have the skill or means to become a "professional" player. It shouldn't however be totally discounted just because everyone wont be able to do it.

I really truely hate to quote a bloody cartoon, but I think it applies well here. Not *every person has potential to succeed this particular way, but *any person could potentially have what it takes to make it work, and might not have considered it an option before (Ratatoullie, oh god my kids have ruined me)

If that suggestion doesn't work for you (It will sure as feth never work for me) then there are several other suggestions that might at worst save you a little money that have already been mentioned .

I have 3000 points of Ogre Kingdoms that I won over various tournaments that I can't get rid of.

It's not all it's cracked up to be.

Tekksama wrote:Not to jump out and try to defend someone who doesn't really need anyones help lol, but I think you took Dash's post the wrong way. Its just another way to make a little extra disposable income to help fund the hobby, with the hobby. Sure not everyone is going to have the skill or means to become a "professional" player. It shouldn't however be totally discounted just because everyone wont be able to do it.

I really truely hate to quote a bloody cartoon, but I think it applies well here. Not *every person has potential to succeed this particular way, but *any person could potentially have what it takes to make it work, and might not have considered it an option before (Ratatoullie, oh god my kids have ruined me)

If that suggestion doesn't work for you (It will sure as feth never work for me) then there are several other suggestions that might at worst save you a little money that have already been mentioned .

Nah, I get what you're saying. However, in my opinion it's ludicrous to imply that if you don't win competitive play you shouldn't/don't need to collect another army. I think Dash is an exceptional player, but that was hard to stomach - as someone who even on a good income I have to really find time and money for this hobby, after finishing one army I don't feel like I should stop collecting unless I start winning free stuff.

Monster Rain wrote:I have 3000 points of Ogre Kingdoms that I won over various tournaments that I can't get rid of.

It's not all it's cracked up to be.

haha, I bet the GW peeps cracked up when they gave you all those Ogres!!

Heh. I like the army, I just don't have time for this many hobbies.

But yeah, it will be all Space Marines from here on out.

Slarg232 wrote:
Also, statistically speaking, only 1 person is going to walk away with a decent amount of money at a tourney.

True - but all of us are from different places with different stores. Dakka has played a large part in making me a good player - reading tactical articles, brainstorming communally, getting list critiques, reading about other army tactics....that's an asset that your local folks don't have. Use it, and every other advantage you have at your disposal to get an edge over your local opponents for tournament play.


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Zain60 wrote:Dashofpepper,



You travel quite a bit for tournaments, which must cost you way more than most people spend on a simple second GW army.

Ah....my apologies; I should have been more specific. The stuff I win when I travel rarely goes home with me trying to fit a stompa or a chimera or a giant chainsword into already packed luggage has proven not likely - the prizes we're talking about are all from FLGS tournaments, which folks DO have access to.

I actually don't have a FLGS anymore, and at my previous address lived in the middle of nowhere, with no FLGS within easy driving distance either, which is why I got into Vassal in the first place; it was the only way to get in 40k games....and the only tournaments were the ones I was willing to travel to - making it a "Travel to play or don't play" situation.

I've been pondering hosting a GT on Vassal for all the folks who want to play from home.

I wish GW wasn't so expensive because I want to expand my Eldar army by getting waveserpents and WW's and stuff but its too expensive. So Instead of buying waveserpents I'm going to try and make some from scratch but nobody wants to help me out. I don't have anything to base thier size off of so I cant start on them. Its quite a perdicament for a college student to continue this hobby when stuff is so expensive.

Why not learn a valuable life lesson by saving up money for things you want?

Totally un-American I realize, but you can buy almost anything doing that. Hell, I'm a saving up for a Reaver Titan.


Yes, I'm insane.

Right now my husband and I are using our credit card rewards points on Amazon gift cards and only buying new models using those. We are still buying paint at our local store because if you only need a couple colors the shipping is more expensive than the paint. Most sellers on Amazon are cheaper than GW.