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Ok, so it will be out come febuary. I am wracking my head trying to fit this into a list. I just might actually use Seth, a Sang priest and an assault or stern vet squad. Though looking for synergy, I am having a hard time fitting it in. Currently I run 4x razorbacks, 3x Baals, 3x vindis, Seth and two sang priests. Looking at the SR rules, it doesn't seem to mesh well. Guys have any advice or tactica on running these birds?

i think it should be used as a mobile Landraider. you drop off an assault squad with sanguinary priest and a Dreadnought into the middle of the enemy lines. the Stormraven then acts as a gunplatform using it's PotMS to split its gun fire to the appropriate targets.


for my GKs, i plan on delivering a squad of PAGKs on target backed up by a Dreadnought. yes, GKs will be getting the Stormraven with the new Codex in Jan/Feb. they introduced it in codex BA for an official release with codex GKs. both BA and GK players will be buying it so GW can maximize profits.

Yah sure it may be good as a fast Land Raider (like BA need that) but why did it need to look like it belongs to a five year old!!??

But yah it seems very useful, may need to make a custom one though.

I think the problem here is that you are obligated to put all your eggs in one basket.

A Storm Raven with Assault Squad and Priest is about 500 points with a Powerfist and special weapons in the squad.

Armor 12 isn't that hard to get penetration against, and then all your eggs break...

But I like the model. I will probably try 5 man jump pack squads who can help with the vehicle crunching and kill squishy passengers like IG and eldar, instead of having an overwhelming assault unit on board.

The Stormraven Sucks. Its way too many points for AV 12.

It should have at least AV 13 or some kind of Venerable Rule like the Dreadnoughts.

But as it is it just can't hold out.

When a Missile Launcher Penetrates your 200+ point vehicle on a 5+ you know its not worth it...

jspyd3rx wrote:Ok, so it will be out come febuary. I am wracking my head trying to fit this into a list.

well... if you're trying to figure out how to use it.... doesnt that suggest something about the usefulness of the unit? I mean nobody has to wrack their brains to figure out the best use for a vindicator or assault terminators.... right?

Well it...
*is covered with guns,
*is an assault vehicle,
*has PotMS,
*can deep strike,
*negates melta bonus,
*is a fast skimmer=24" move,
*carries 12 passengers

Seems like the best way to use it is to have 3
I think there has got to be some reason to use it, maybe cause you can make a special sound when you move it?

all true... but its also 200+ points for an av 12 vehicle that suffers from land raider syndrome. I just think that if it was a really great unit its use would be kind of.... obvious. OP seemed puzzled why he should include it in his army. maybe he shouldnt. not every unit is worth while.

Most units in the game have similar issues though. Not every list can use a Land Raider, not every Tyranid list needs a Hive Tyrant, not ever Guard List needs Vendettas.

I think to properly use this vehicle you need to understand it's fragility and make sure to have enough of another threat on the board that your opponent is tempted to split fire away from it. Take advantage of that Turboboost save for a turn.

Think about taking Corbulo so you can reroll a failed cover save.

Does it have some official stats already?

mindfield wrote:Does it have some official stats already?

uuuum

it's in Codex: marines AKA Blood Angels

I like it as a shooting platform maybe a shooting platform as a 2 or 3 of

mindfield wrote:Does it have some official stats already?

Hi, welcome back from your vacation under a rock for the last year.

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The new model is ugly as sin.

Someone pointed out in another thread that moving 6" results in being able to shoot everything...

So here's my 4 blood missiles for your vehicle squadron, and I'll use my TL Las to shoot at a separate target with PotMS.

Two of these is just plain evil if you look at it that way...

If you add some other elements like Devastators with Missile Launchers and discounted assault squad razorbacks w/TL Las you're getting into some pretty vicious first turn shooting. Especially for an army that can bring the assault pain turn two.

I think I got a good list with it. Will post tonight after work.

ARRRRGHHHHH!!!! The Suspense!!

Well here's mine

HQ:
Librarian - Shield of Sanguinius, Unleash Rage (In Raven)

Elites:
Furioso - Heavy Flamer Upgrade (In Raven)
Furioso - Heavy Flamer Upgrade (In Raven)
2 Sanguinary Priests (In Raven)

Troops:
10 Assault Marines - 2 Flamers, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon (In Raven)
10 Assault Marines - 2 Flamers, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon (In Raven)
10 Assault Marines - 2 Meltaguns, Power Fist, Has Jump Packs

Fast Attack:
Baal Predator - TL Assault Cannon
Baal Predator - TL Assault Cannon
Baal Predator - Flamestorm Cannon, Dozer Blade

heavy Support:
Storm Raven - TL Multi Melta, TL Plasma Cannons, Extra Armor
Storm Raven - TL Multi Melta, TL Plasma Cannons, Extra Armor

Plasma Cannons might go out for TL Lascannons. Not sure yet. It's gonna be turboboosting first turn and unloading second turn against shooty armies, so I'd almost prefer it to have some decent anti-infantry.

Also this list is 1925. So I can either add a Scout Sniper Squad to hold objectives or a Jump Priest for the one jumping squad of Assault Marines.

I wonder if Stormravens will be DT for GKs.

would be an interesting counterpart to the Valkierie.

The Stormraven is just junk. Sure it can be 'used' if someone is holding a gun to your head but it's not as competitive as pretty much any of the HS choices available to BA. For 200 points it doesn't shoot as hard as a 140 point Vendetta and doesn't have any more armour. It would need some special rules ala the DE flicker field or the Ravager's shooting rules. It would also need extra armour as standard for that points cost (Even Vendettas have extra armour as default) and a higher armour value.

It simply tries to do too many things and fails in all of them simultaneously. Insult to injury, the BA don't really need the Stormraven for anything. They have better choices for firepower and better choices for delivering their troops into assault. It's worse than a Land Raider, and people don't even use Land Raiders.

Thanks for the codex info, I dont have BA codex with me.

well, it is immune to melta, has PotMS, and it should be able to purchase EA.

an AV12 skimmer that can carry 10 marines and a Dreadnought that are able to assault out of it is pretty nice for the points. as a bonus it comes with a TL-MM and some other weapons.

Grey Templar wrote:well, it is immune to melta, has PotMS, and it should be able to purchase EA.

Since when is it immune to melta? The last time I checked meltas were S8 AP1 and the Stormraven was an AV12 skimmer. Meltas blow it right out of the sky. Purchasing EA just makes an overpriced vehicle even more overpriced.

If people could drop the ceramite plating, power of the machine spirit and all of the 4 bloodstrike missiles and get a 60 point discount and extra armour the Stormraven would be a lot better. It would then be a 140 point transport that doesn't get stunned and comes with an assault ramp and two TL heavy weapons. Like I said, in its current form it tries to do too many things and doesn't do any of them particularly well.

Hmmmmmmm

Storm Raven Tactica.

Not really that hard, give it the Twin-Linked Multi-Melta, stick a Death Company Squad inside it with 3 power weapons, a Chaplain, 2 power fists, and a Death Company Dreadnaught in the back.

Move 24" forward the first turn and fire the Multi-Melta with PotMS.

Next turn drop everything off and rule the world.

Played proxy, fielded it with DC and DC DN... Fast assault vehicle with loads of weapons... Move it up, assault 2 things and keep going until you're dead or they are :-)

grayspark wrote:Hmmmmmmm

Storm Raven Tactica.

Not really that hard, give it the Twin-Linked Multi-Melta, stick a Death Company Squad inside it with 3 power weapons, a Chaplain, 2 power fists, and a Death Company Dreadnaught in the back.

Move 24" forward the first turn and fire the Multi-Melta with PotMS.

Next turn drop everything off and rule the world.

Alternatively, your opponent gets first turn or seizes initiative. Half your army is now dead or stranded too far to do any good. Forfeit game and look for another opponent.

We can think outside the box though!. Remember back then when people are like "lawl BA have flying land raiders" ?
we can use the storm raven as Land Raiders , now they are made to look some what flyable!

I've got half a mind to buy 3 of them.

I've got plenty of Drop Pods, I think they might be just the thing to give an All Deep Strike army that little extra somethin' somethin'.

people scoffed at the Valkierie when it was released as a codex model for the same reasons they don't like the Stormravens.


now Aircav Vets are viewed as quite competitive. the Stormraven is quite similer, but with Marines.

You're off your gourd if you think aircav vets are competitive. They had their brief moment in the sun when you could stack astropaths, and even then it was an army dependent on getting the first turn and a bunch of good rolls during the first shooting phase.

Anyway, I'll need to see more angles of the model to really judge. I think if the engines and wings are moved forward to be over the side-hatch, it will look more self-contained. I don't mind the boxy approach (this is the imperium), it's just the joints between the wings and craft itself seem very precarious.

I've taken the effort to Convert one and the loadout I've been using is: TL MM, TL LC, and Extra Armor.

I usually Stuff a Recclusiarch 9 death Company (1 TH) and a Libby Dread inside. So Far it has been doing pretty decent for me. It delivered in all 3 games I played today. and it survived all 3. I need to get on making a DC Dread to test that combo out though.

Also note its Not Immune to Melta weaponry, its just that those weapons don't get their bonus against it. Its still just Corrugated Cardboard Armor.

Cheers,
~Volkan


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P.S. The GW Flying Garbage Truck makes me glad I converted one. Otherwise I'd be compelled to model up a Sanitation Squad to ride around with it. Possibly a Street Sweeper Dread too.