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Does anyone believe that Drazhar is the lost Phoenix Lord? I do and it would explain a lot about his mysterious past. Does anyone agree?


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We had a conversation at GW Macclesfield and we all agreed

DRazhar?
The DE master of blades right?
What makes a pheonix lord?
'cos he can't use spirit stones.
And he hasn't founded an aspect temple afaik.

I fail to see which Aspect Drazhar would belong to.

I think the plan was for him to be hinted at being Arhra, the original Phoenix Lord of the Striking Scorpions, and i personally think that it is more than possible that Arhra and Drazhar are the same Eldar

Yeah the 3ed edition gossip was that he was Arhra: father of scorpions.

In the previous codex, Drazhar and the Incubi even had Mandiblasters, I think it's pretty clear. : )

The codex entry makes it seem quite possible

Enginseer wrote:In the previous codex, Drazhar and the Incubi even had Mandiblasters, I think it's pretty clear. : )

incorrect. They had tormentor helms which were a common wargear item in the codex. Basically a helmet with a mind-impluse splinter pistol built in.

Sgt_Scruffy wrote:

Enginseer wrote:In the previous codex, Drazhar and the Incubi even had Mandiblasters, I think it's pretty clear. : )

incorrect. They had tormentor helms which were a common wargear item in the codex. Basically a helmet with a mind-impluse splinter pistol built in.

Which you have to admit is not too dissimilar at all to the Striking Scorpion Mandiblasters. Perhaps the Incubi were indeed founded by the Fallen Phoenix Lord, and it should be noted that Drazhar's stats are comparable to an Eldar Phoenix Lord, so either Drazhar trained under Arhra or is indeed the fallen Lord himself.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Sgt_Scruffy wrote:

Enginseer wrote:In the previous codex, Drazhar and the Incubi even had Mandiblasters, I think it's pretty clear. : )

incorrect. They had tormentor helms which were a common wargear item in the codex. Basically a helmet with a mind-impluse splinter pistol built in.

Which you have to admit is not too dissimilar at all to the Striking Scorpion Mandiblasters. Perhaps the Incubi were indeed founded by the Fallen Phoenix Lord, and it should be noted that Drazhar's stats are comparable to an Eldar Phoenix Lord, so either Drazhar trained under Arhra or is indeed the fallen Lord himself.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I absolutely think there is a strong possibility that drazhar is the fallen phoenix. And yes, tormentors are similar to mandiblasters - but they are not the same thing.

It's a bit of a stretch to put such similar weapons (unseen in any other race or fighting group) down to coincidence.

Well they are the Same race, just with different Ideologies.

The new codex even flatly tells us that some think he is Arhra; and that yes Arhra founded the incubi.

This conversation reminds me of certain people claiming Hitler was a communist because 'Nazi' is a contraction for National Socialism...

Told you all didn't I? He IS the lost Phoenix lord!

There isn't any concrete evidence of that. But there is certainly enough proof to encourage wild rumours, useless speculation and a never ending thread on the subject that eventually leads nowhere.

My bad. I believe he is though. In my mind, maybe...

Sgt_Scruffy wrote:

Enginseer wrote:In the previous codex, Drazhar and the Incubi even had Mandiblasters, I think it's pretty clear. : )

incorrect. They had tormentor helms which were a common wargear item in the codex. Basically a helmet with a mind-impluse splinter pistol built in.

You weren't really suggesting that the similarity of two nerve-controlled, head-mounted pistols conferring the same bonus to two warriors who are already thought to have a common link is completely random?

Thanks for clearing it up Emperors Faithful!

Is he the Phoenix lord or not?!?

It's unclear.
He might be.
But being a Dark Eldar, it's unlikely.
But he also uses tactics and weaons similar to some of the aspects.
There is no argument either way so go figure.

But Dark Eldar were Eldar so it is quite likely. Also explain who is the lost phoenix lord then?

Brother Hestapheus wrote:But Dark Eldar were Eldar so it is quite likely. Also explain who is the lost phoenix lord then?

I don't think you're getting this.
There isn't any evidence pointing any particular way. It could be a guy no one has seen before. It could be Drazhar. It's unlikely though, because the Aspects were founded after the Fall and the Dark Eldar were only Dark Eldar after the Fall.
It is unclear.
It is, as they say in the crime solving business, a mystery.

Purple; there are two Concrete Facts to consider:

1) The founder of the Striking Scorpions(Arhra) left the Craftworld Eldar to join the Dark Eldar, and Founded the Incubi
So just being Dark Eldar does not mean that they do not have aspects(they have 1, of a sort)

2)Drahzar is a complete Mystery; He has never shown his face nor spoken a word, and no Incubi seemed to be missing when he showed up.
This tells us that he did not have to move up through the ranks of incubi, He just showed up one day, challenged an incubi temple master; and beat him down. He then makes no move to take over the incubi.

The last bit of what the second means could very well indicate that he is not Arhra; or if he is, he has no wish to lead them as their phoenix lord.

Kommissar Kel wrote:Purple; there are two Concrete Facts to consider:

1) The founder of the Striking Scorpions(Arhra) left the Craftworld Eldar to join the Dark Eldar, and Founded the Incubi
So just being Dark Eldar does not mean that they do not have aspects(they have 1, of a sort)

2)Drahzar is a complete Mystery; He has never shown his face nor spoken a word, and no Incubi seemed to be missing when he showed up.
This tells us that he did not have to move up through the ranks of incubi, He just showed up one day, challenged an incubi temple master; and beat him down. He then makes no move to take over the incubi.

The last bit of what the second means could very well indicate that he is not Arhra; or if he is, he has no wish to lead them as their phoenix lord.

It isn't known whether he did found the incubi. It is highly likely but still no actual evidence saying he did it afaik.
The 2nd piece just means he wanted to make his mark, like most Dark Eldar. He doesn't need to take over if everyone knows he could just kill them to death.

purplefood wrote:It isn't known whether he did found the incubi. It is highly likely but still no actual evidence saying he did it afaik.
The 2nd piece just means he wanted to make his mark, like most Dark Eldar. He doesn't need to take over if everyone knows he could just kill them to death.

Which goes against the grain of the greater Dark Eldar psyche. Most, having defeated a champion so effortlessly, would be more than happy to sieze control of that incubi temple. Given his ability, he could likely do the same to each and every incubi coven through strength of arms. The fact that he does not take control over any incubi unless directly leading them on the battlefield (just as Craftworld Phoenix lords do not control the aspects that they founded) is another score that he could very well be Arhra. We need a confession though.

A couple of things:

1. Drazhar has the exact stats of one of the phoenix lords from the eldar codex.
2. The Incubi are basically aspect warriors, they have shrines, focus solely on combat, and the klaivex like an exarch gives powers to their squad. Also I think the codex mentions them having statues to Khaine.
3. One of the theories of the other Incubi is that Drazhar is their founder Ahra, who was the original founder of the Striking Scorpions.

There still isn't any solid evidence.
There is lots of things hinting at it but only if you interpret them a certain way.

If he founded the Incubi then why did he slaughter them then?

He is a Dark Eldar. Dark Eldar don't particularly care for each other.
They would happily kill people if they thought it would furhter them or if they thought it was fun.

Drazhar remains a mystery then...but I believe he IS the lost Phoenix Lord

Brother Hestapheus wrote:If he founded the Incubi then why did he slaughter them then?

You just seem to be arguing around in circles. Until more evidence is published its just as likely Drazhar is Ahra just as much as the chance he isn't. Your speculation and personal opinion wont do anything to change that.