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Yes, whether they want to or not. I recall fluff that they were being mind-controlled by the Tau in some method, though this might be older or out of date fluff.

You have just mis-remembered the Tau codex.

Melissia wrote:Yes, whether they want to or not. I recall fluff that they were being mind-controlled by the Tau in some method, though this might be older or out of date fluff.

It was a rumor in a white dwarf. Not cannon, unless someone has something else?

Well, a fluff quotation/page citation would be nice then, as not all of us have every single codex in front of them at all times

Kilkrazy wrote:You have just mis-remembered the Tau codex.

So I take you are on the "Vespid are idealists" side of the fence then?

Whether they believe in the greater good or not I don't know, however I do believe they have chosen to be part of it.

The Tau are the ones who encourage others to join, a lot of the other races could join for purely selfish reasons. When you have an enemy the size of the imperium of man it's worth making friends.

So anyway back ontopic, I think the helmet is just a communicator, from what i have seen of them vespid are very insect like which means the couldn't comunicate with the Tau verbaly.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:You have just mis-remembered the Tau codex.

So I take you are on the "Vespid are idealists" side of the fence then?

I'm on the "what the codex says" side of the fence.

Let's not allow the facts to get in the way of a great story.

4M2A wrote:Whether they believe in the greater good or not I don't know, however I do believe they have chosen to be part of it.

The Tau are the ones who encourage others to join, a lot of the other races could join for purely selfish reasons. When you have an enemy the size of the imperium of man it's worth making friends.

So anyway back ontopic, I think the helmet is just a communicator, from what i have seen of them vespid are very insect like which means the couldn't comunicate with the Tau verbaly.

Page 16 of the codex explains that the communion helms were created by the earth caste so that the water caste (diplomats) could communicate with the vespid strain leaders.

or is that what they want you to believe!?

Though both results would make a good story and vispid dont really look very evil, and though I hate the idea of saying so, i side with the mind control. Just seems a bit too nice, I havent seen one truely nice civelisation ever. They always tend to get wasted by selfish beings to fast, like humans.

Ledabot wrote:Though both results would make a good story and vispid dont really look very evil, and though I hate the idea of saying so, i side with the mind control. Just seems a bit too nice, I havent seen one truely nice civelisation ever. They always tend to get wasted by selfish beings to fast, like humans.

Not being in Imperial Space helps.

I just reminds me of that african tribe thats closest word for enemy ment friend we have not met yet. They got sent to the us as slaves and they are now all dead. The last one died a very unhappy person.

page 16 also says that they are regarded as "skillful and reliable allies, an honor yet to be paid to the mercenary Kroot of Pech."

I find this funny since they suck in game. lol.

don’t doubt you though.
just what I believe when it comes to a made up universe that has no cannoned info on the topic.

It's codex...that's about as cannon as it gets.

I am talking bout the mind control. there is no cannon proof for that tau, vespid or anybody is being controlled, but it is very heavily implied.

Yes they believe.

Referring to the total submission of the Vespid to the Ethereals, the codex states the following :"It has been whispered that this acceptance is linked to the fact that all of the race's leaders wear the interface helmets given to them by the Tau, but no evidence of this claim has proved forthcoming". Take that for what you will. Personally, I choose to believe that the helmets do have some kind of controlling effect.

Maurin wrote:Referring to the total submission of the Vespid to the Ethereals, the codex states the following :"It has been whispered that this acceptance is linked to the fact that all of the race's leaders wear the interface helmets given to them by the Tau, but no evidence of this claim has proved forthcoming". Take that for what you will. Personally, I choose to believe that the helmets do have some kind of controlling effect.

This statement is directly made to cause a discussion like this. Why would it be their if it was false? Common sense tells us that not mentioning this point would very likely lead to the assumption that vespid are free willed but this statement means that their is a possibility and most likely truth to the statement.

Maurin wrote:Referring to the total submission of the Vespid to the Ethereals, the codex states the following :"It has been whispered that this acceptance is linked to the fact that all of the race's leaders wear the interface helmets given to them by the Tau, but no evidence of this claim has proved forthcoming". Take that for what you will. Personally, I choose to believe that the helmets do have some kind of controlling effect.

Hmmm. You know what I think that GW has found a way here to have their cake and eat it too. They wanted something that would appeal to kids who wanted "good guys" and threw in some anime style possibly to break into new markets. And upon first glance that is what they appear to be.

However, they know they also have a lot of old school fans who like their grim darkness so they keep throwing out little tidbits like that. The ones who like the darker aspects of the universe tend to know more and the more they dig the more they find. So to them the T'au don't appear to be good guys at all.

GW doesn't get a lot of love round Dakka to to what I call "cynical nerd syndrome" but quite frankly they are good at what they do.

of course they are good at what they do (makin money) but i would like some more fluff to eat.

Vespid strain leaders wear the communion helm. The helm allows them to understand the Tau language (possibly other allies too), and in turn speak back. The mind control element is hinted at from an Imperial point of view because they cannot fathom xenos working together on mutual ground.

The Tau love everybody, even you. Even if you won't love them back. Why won't you love them back?

I want too!!! i realy do!!

Thing is The Vespid just joined up for the cause on day 1, no questions asked, nothing wanted in return. Pretty much the perfect allies. Apparently the theory going around is The Etherals are part insectoid.

I think I've developed a theory. I think the Etherals may have inadvertently discovered a race that by happenstance is affected by their magic pixie dust.
Serendipity? Yes, but that's par for the course for The Tau.

that is a much nicer way of mind control. I would put chemical control over shiny hat any day.

nicer way of mind control? I guess if your gonna get mind controlled that's the way to do it...

Ledabot wrote:I am talking bout the mind control. there is no cannon proof for that tau, vespid or anybody is being controlled, but it is very heavily implied.

Like much Tau info, it is from an Imperial source and is intended for Imperial readers.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Ledabot wrote:I am talking bout the mind control. there is no cannon proof for that tau, vespid or anybody is being controlled, but it is very heavily implied.

Like much Tau info, it is from an Imperial source and is intended for Imperial readers.

I hate that arguement. You're basically saying "well it's written in English so it must have been by humans". Not all the lore is ment to be from an Imperial Bias. Much of it is simply the narrator like you would find in any book.

All the source does is provide a rumour (which is unlikely to be spread by loyal Tau at any rate) and raises the issue of mind control. It's not any sort of irrefutable proof, but certainly enough to encourage discussion. If I didn't know better I'd say that GW purposefully made the statement as ambiguous as possible. But this is GW.