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I just want to see what Dakkadakka think about Lemartes. I strongly believe that he is a must take in any army with Death Company, with his ability to go Hulk and gain an extra 3 attacks and 1 strength makes him even more devastating on the charge. I always play Lemartes and have seen him rip through squads of Space marines by himself and he has killed daemon princes by himself.

I take him for lulz sometimes, funnily enough when wounded he's better than Meph or Sang at ripping through regular infantry on the charge.

His best ability is letting DC re-roll all failed hits and wounds, makes them even deadlier.

All chaplains can do that, but Lemartes shines in that he isnt an IC, and can reroll hits and wounds himself too. So when wounded he hits 7 times @ st6/init7 on the charge, rerolling everything. Byebye 7 marines.

He's like a cute animal, I like to see them from time to time ... just not to play one

I wrote a list with him in it today:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/333507.page

Personally I like when people take Lemartes, it means they are spending more on a single unit. Lemartes is great if you can get him into H2H and if not hes an expensive wound.

There are 3 reasons why I don't think Lemartes is a good idea.

He has a jump pack that can not be removed so if Lemartes is taken DC can't embark in a rhino, razorback, or Land Raider.

He has a jump pack that can not be removed so if Lemartes is taken DC can't embark in a rhino, razorback, or Land Raider.

He has a jump pack that can not be removed so if Lemartes is taken DC can't embark in a rhino, razorback, or Land Raider.

The BA list I plan to use includes him. But I usually take units based on style and coolness. Plus his Fury Unbound rule looks pretty fun.

If you're playing on using your DC in a Storm Raven, and/or giving them Jump Packs, Lemartes is a solid buy - 150 points gets you a Chaplain with Feel no Pain, Furious Charge, and a Master-Crafted Weapon - not to mention his high Initiative.

All of this before his Fury Unbound special rule.

DC in a Storm Raven is exactly how I'm using them. With Lemartes of course.

I think it's questionable whether Death Company are "worth it", but if you are already taking Death Company then you had better take a Chaplain too, as he'll make them significantly better. In that respect Lemartes is definitely worth it.

The best thing about him is that he is an upgade and not an IC so he's harder to single out, and he doesn't take up any HQ or Elite slots. Points-wise he works out cheaper than a Reclusiarch and is probably better too. Unless of course your Death Company don't have Jump Packs... In which case he is just awkward and overpriced but still doable in a LR or SR.


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MinMax wrote:150 points gets you a Chaplain with Feel no Pain, Furious Charge, and a Master-Crafted Weapon - not to mention his high Initiative.

All of this before his Fury Unbound special rule.

Though it has to be said... Master Crafted Power Weapon is a bit redundant on a character that will probably get to re-roll all his hits anyway.

SmackCakes wrote:Though it has to be said... Master Crafted Power Weapon is a bit redundant on a character that will probably get to re-roll all his hits anyway.

Only on the charge. It's not inconceivable that the unit could get charged or - heavens forbid - a second round of combat happens.

My problem with him is really a problem with the storm raven. Throwing dc+a dread in a 200 point transport costs more than a lr full of dc, and your opponent really doesn't want to deal with what's inside it. That makes the storm raven higher on an opponents gak list than a land raider, and it's av12 which is very vulnerable to krak, lc, and ac. In short storm ravens write checks their ass can't cash, and an opponent should make it a top priority to blow up the storm raven on turn 1.

I personally really like him fluff wise and appearence wise and on the table all my opponents have told me the same, either make sure you kill him or leave him the hell alone, he is very very nasty when he gets the hump, If I you have points to spare and don't only intend on your death company being a suicide unit then by all means give him a try, get him shot once and laugh as he charges your opponent with 8 attacks (5 base, 2 on the charge from rage, 1 for pistol CCW at S7(crozius) I5!!!)with re-rolls from his master crafted crozius and liturgies of blood.

Lemartes is a disaster of epic proportions. As are JP DC. That is all.

AND trying to get him wounded could go seriously wrong with how wound allocation works now. In 5th yes, in 6th no. Plus the JP, thats truly what kills it.

Lemartes is the poster boy for everything bad about the BA codex, actually. The entire codex is summed up by Lemartes. Awesome fluff, and he looks great in theory, but lays an egg in the game.

Invocation of Nehekh cast with irresistable force!!

Martel732 wrote:
Lemartes is a disaster of epic proportions. As are JP DC. That is all.

Gotta agree with Martel on this one. In 5th he might have been cool because of wound allocation shenanigans, but in 6th he's more likely to die than to get that 1 wound RAAAAGE. Of course, in 5th Death Company were horrible so Lemartes was a terrible thing to throw in a list anyway. Plus he makes Death Company even more expensive. If you're insisting on running a Death Company deathstar just save yourself the points and take a Reclusiarch because then you don't need to get an HQ on top of everything else.

I lulz everytime I spoiling assault a DC squad led by a Reclusiarch.

It's definitely the thing to do if you face them, they're basically Assault Marines off the charge.

Admittedly the fury unbound rule is a wild card and he is expensive, but with that rule and a little help from hammer of wrath and 4 JP DC marines I managed to wipe out a full 20 man squad of plaguebearers in one turn, he will inevitably draw heavy weapon fire, the rule being you either make sure you kill hime outright or leave him the hell alone, this keeps the devestators from chewing up my assault marines likewise with tank fire, meanwhile my melta suicide squads will be edging ever closer, sometimes a fire magnet is a good thing.

Fire magnets aren't good when they expensive and aren't good at taking fire.

Many lists don't care about the ASM; they can handle them in HTH. All they actually care about stopping is the DC. Which they can, often trivially.

The term "suicide" in a concept for a BA list is terrible. The BA have poor model count; we can't afford to suicide *anything*.

I will soon be sticking my J/P DC in a stormraven and my foot troops in a land raider crusader because who needs scoring units when you have board-wipe? I have found in my admittedly limited experience that my opponents strategies are thrown off when they encounter a willingness to lose basic units in distracting /tying up moves so something nastier can shoot or move into optimum assault positions DC in particular, this extra use of lemartes makes them even more lethal, I don't know it just seems my opponents are always planning their next move based on where my death company happen to be and i'm fine with that

He was better in 5th ed when he couldn't be picked out of the unit, and you could choose to take a wound on him or not. now that he only gets a 4+ LOS, he'll hardly ever live if they put one wound on him (And he goes all superhero).

 FURIOSO wrote:
I will soon be sticking my J/P DC in a stormraven and my foot troops in a land raider crusader because who needs scoring units when you have board-wipe? I have found in my admittedly limited experience that my opponents strategies are thrown off when they encounter a willingness to lose basic units in distracting /tying up moves so something nastier can shoot or move into optimum assault positions DC in particular, this extra use of lemartes makes them even more lethal, I don't know it just seems my opponents are always planning their next move based on where my death company happen to be and i'm fine with that

You won't wipe my BA with that strategy, must less a player with a codex that doesn't stink in 6th edition. The BA simply don't have the bodies to tie up people like you suggest. They can ignore your tie up pieces and focus down the dangerous overpriced aspects of your list. If your enemy is smart, they're aiming to feed your DC an expendable unit and set up a kill zone for them. It's actually to the DCs disadvantage that they kill practically anything in one turn.

Martel732 wrote:
You won't wipe my BA with that strategy, must less a player with a codex that doesn't stink in 6th edition. The BA simply don't have the bodies to tie up people like you suggest. They can ignore your tie up pieces and focus down the dangerous overpriced aspects of your list. If your enemy is smart, they're aiming to feed your DC an expendable unit and set up a kill zone for them. It's actually to the DCs disadvantage that they kill practically anything in one turn.

True
So many times I have been praying that they'd leave one enemy model alive, just so they can be tied in combat and won't get shot to smithereens.

And to the original question:
Sure, why not?
You're playing DC, which means you are not interested in a competitive match Lemartes can be fun to include in a blob.

Just a note to say...not being an IC IS a DISadvantage. Why...?

Well, you can't opt to attack an IC in a unit in combat outside of challenges, and any shooting that can single out ICs (precision, Vindicate et al) can single out individual models anyway, not just ICs.
As a named special character, Lemartes is still a character, so can still be challenged.

However, he only gets 4+ to his LoS! roll. As an IC it would be much safer attempting to use this to knock him down a wound.

About the only advantage I can think of is that he won't give away a separate KP, but in my eyes that LoS! roll offsets it too much.

Kangodo wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
You won't wipe my BA with that strategy, must less a player with a codex that doesn't stink in 6th edition. The BA simply don't have the bodies to tie up people like you suggest. They can ignore your tie up pieces and focus down the dangerous overpriced aspects of your list. If your enemy is smart, they're aiming to feed your DC an expendable unit and set up a kill zone for them. It's actually to the DCs disadvantage that they kill practically anything in one turn.

True
So many times I have been praying that they'd leave one enemy model alive, just so they can be tied in combat and won't get shot to smithereens.

And to the original question:
Sure, why not?
You're playing DC, which means you are not interested in a competitive match Lemartes can be fun to include in a blob.

Maybe, but then why bother asking it on a tactics forum if you don't really care about the tactical sound-ness of the choice?