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Would a Leman Russ Executioner w/ lascannon and plasma cannon sponsons be worth 245 points when going up against necrons?

I would say that everything except the lascannon is worth it, its expensive enough as it is. Though I do neither play Imperial Guard or Necrons so my opinion might be faulty*shrugs*, but I can see no huge benefit of a lascannon, the thing already got enough firepower to hammer down most squads.

Yes, do the heavy flamer on the hull instead. It's cheaper, and a better gun to have if your opponent sends a bunch of scarab swarms to try and get you with disruptor fields (A heavy flamer auto-hits scarabs, wounds them on 2s, allows no cover or armor saves, and causes 2 wounds per base hit).

Lose the Lascannon. Heavy Bolter is fine. Lascannon is best on Russes that are hunting tanks. When it comes to Necrons, you want to force as many saves as you can (or just kill em in close combat.) Usually they will have a lord in close proximity. If they don't, the Russ will hurt squads. If they do, you are at least going to force saves. The Lascannon will not add anything extra with an executioner. It will only soak up points. Better to use those points somewhere else.

I agree with the earlier, drop the Lascannon and go with either heavy bolter or flamer, either will still do well against necrons. Personally I find the Executioner to pretty much ruin any meqs day. Fancy armor and toughness don't mean a whole lot against all those plasma shots.

doesnt matter if the lord is there or not, they'll get WBB rolls from plasma cannons.

IMO battle cannons are better in this case, just take a squadron of 2 russes be a little more but dish out some wounds that they won't get wbb from unless they're close to a res orb ...
or are T5+

When are necrons not within range of a res orb?

when they are 6 inch's away from it

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:doesnt matter if the lord is there or not, they'll get WBB rolls from plasma cannons.

IMO battle cannons are better in this case, just take a squadron of 2 russes be a little more but dish out some wounds that they won't get wbb from unless they're close to a res orb ...
or are T5+

WBB doesn't work against plasma cannons unless there is a res orb nearby, and there should always be a res orb nearby

prime12357 wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:doesnt matter if the lord is there or not, they'll get WBB rolls from plasma cannons.

IMO battle cannons are better in this case, just take a squadron of 2 russes be a little more but dish out some wounds that they won't get wbb from unless they're close to a res orb ...
or are T5+

WBB doesn't work against plasma cannons unless there is a res orb nearby, and there should always be a res orb nearby

yes it does

Is it strength double the toughness of the necron-no wbb is allowed

prime12357 wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:doesnt matter if the lord is there or not, they'll get WBB rolls from plasma cannons.

IMO battle cannons are better in this case, just take a squadron of 2 russes be a little more but dish out some wounds that they won't get wbb from unless they're close to a res orb ...
or are T5+

WBB doesn't work against plasma cannons unless there is a res orb nearby, and there should always be a res orb nearby

Somebody is getting WBB and FNP confused ...

Necrons do get WBB from plasma as it's only str 7
WBB cares not about the AP

WBB is negated by AP1 or AP2, since it is something that ignores all armor saves. At least that is how it has been explained to me time and time again.

headrattle wrote:WBB is negated by AP1 or AP2, since it is something that ignores all armor saves. At least that is how it has been explained to me time and time again.

That's Feel no Pain. The AP value has no bearing on WBB - only if it is a close combat weapon that ignores armour saves, or if the strength of the weapon is twice the Necron model's toughness.

MinMax has this right. Thats why in this instance WBB is better than FNP

Does your opponent take alot of Destroyers? I ran three lascannons in my army once (two on a single land raider and one on a Dreadnought) and they were crutial to my victory, as all three managed to destroy his Destroyers, and since I destroyed them all in one go, he didnt get his WBB roll. same goes for Heavy Destroyers, who tend to be loners and are easy pickings for Lascannons. Otherwise, Heavy Bolters all the way.

headrattle wrote:WBB is negated by AP1 or AP2, since it is something that ignores all armor saves. At least that is how it has been explained to me time and time again.

well than stop letting them cheat you time and time again, WBB is far more annoying than that

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Does your opponent take alot of Destroyers? I ran three lascannons in my army once (two on a single land raider and one on a Dreadnought) and they were crutial to my victory, as all three managed to destroy his Destroyers, and since I destroyed them all in one go, he didnt get his WBB roll. same goes for Heavy Destroyers, who tend to be loners and are easy pickings for Lascannons. Otherwise, Heavy Bolters all the way.

aren't destroyers T5, not T4(5) ?

Unless he has a Tomb Spyder, if there are no Destroyers within 6 inches during WBB roll, the Destroyers cannot revive even if a Res-Orb is nearby. If all Destroyers are wiped off the field (and Heavy Destroyers do not count as Destroyers for this purpose, and vice versa) then they cannot revive at all even if there is a Tomb Spyder.

ah
My local necron player takes full squads of destroyers, so 3 lascannons wiping a squad didnt really make sense.

Grundz wrote:My local necron player takes full squads of destroyers, so 3 lascannons wiping a squad didnt really make sense.

INcidentally, just one more thing a Leman Russ Executioner would be great for...

Remember that you need to wipe the whole squad in one go or inflict massive casualties, but preferably in one go. With all Destroyers dead, you will certainly have put them down, whereas a single surviving Destroyer means that statistically half your efforts just went to waste.

A regular russ will probably be better (or a basilisk, for that matter). Once your opponent realises how to space his warriors properly, the executioner's value will plunge, and if he like deepstriking in a monolith and teleporting dudes out, guess what will be his first target? Yeah, the lone executioner. Better to take two regular russes which stand up to proper spacing better, and provide two seperate targets, making it less likely that your opponent will be able to shut down all your firepower in a single go.

Yeah, redundant tank is already redundant enough without a Lascannon. Although redundancy can be good in some cases.

Personally I like the Heavy bolter. 36'' range and strength 6 with 3 shots. Quite simmiller to the plasma cannons. Does well against some of the executioners targets but not all. MC'S, infantry and light vehicles. Won't do as well against termies but against nercrons I don't think either weapon will make too much difference so why pay an extra 15 points? I only go for Lascannons in the hull if I want the tank to be multi purpose or a tank hunter. That way I can use the Lumbering behemoth rule to get two decent AT shots and have it as a back-up weapon incase the turret gets taken out.

Deceiver wrote:Personally I like the Heavy bolter. 36'' range and strength 6 with 3 shots. Quite simmiller to the plasma cannons. Does well against some of the executioners targets but not all. MC'S, infantry and light vehicles. Won't do as well against termies but against nercrons I don't think either weapon will make too much difference so why pay an extra 15 points? I only go for Lascannons in the hull if I want the tank to be multi purpose or a tank hunter. That way I can use the Lumbering behemoth rule to get two decent AT shots and have it as a back-up weapon incase the turret gets taken out.

That's... welll... gamebreaking. A HB has str 5. You must've confused it with the apocalyptic vulcan mega bolter

Grundz wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Does your opponent take alot of Destroyers? I ran three lascannons in my army once (two on a single land raider and one on a Dreadnought) and they were crutial to my victory, as all three managed to destroy his Destroyers, and since I destroyed them all in one go, he didnt get his WBB roll. same goes for Heavy Destroyers, who tend to be loners and are easy pickings for Lascannons. Otherwise, Heavy Bolters all the way.

aren't destroyers T5, not T4(5) ?

Destroyers are T6 I believe.

augustus5 wrote:

Grundz wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Does your opponent take alot of Destroyers? I ran three lascannons in my army once (two on a single land raider and one on a Dreadnought) and they were crutial to my victory, as all three managed to destroy his Destroyers, and since I destroyed them all in one go, he didnt get his WBB roll. same goes for Heavy Destroyers, who tend to be loners and are easy pickings for Lascannons. Otherwise, Heavy Bolters all the way.

aren't destroyers T5, not T4(5) ?

Destroyers are T6 I believe.

Destroyers are T5 and that is their base toughness so only s10 will prevent those WBB saves from shooting (or you can just wipe em out to do that too.)

Washington Irving wrote:
That's... welll... gamebreaking. A HB has str 5. You must've confused it with the apocalyptic vulcan mega bolter

I think Deceiver might have confused the Executioner with the Exterminator which has a 4 shot autocannon for a main gun making it pair up better with the heavy bolter. Although heavy bolters are s5 not s6 so maybe I am wrong?

Cheers,
~Volkan

Aye, the t6 is the Lord on a Destroyer Body

Washington Irving wrote:

Deceiver wrote:Personally I like the Heavy bolter. 36'' range and strength 6 with 3 shots. Quite simmiller to the plasma cannons. Does well against some of the executioners targets but not all. MC'S, infantry and light vehicles. Won't do as well against termies but against nercrons I don't think either weapon will make too much difference so why pay an extra 15 points? I only go for Lascannons in the hull if I want the tank to be multi purpose or a tank hunter. That way I can use the Lumbering behemoth rule to get two decent AT shots and have it as a back-up weapon incase the turret gets taken out.

That's... welll... gamebreaking. A HB has str 5. You must've confused it with the apocalyptic vulcan mega bolter

Lol my bad ^.^

I have both. That said, i have ran the HB armed ones all of the time except for the first time i tried one out.
it usually comes down to points for me.