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Who is more batman, corax or Curze? i would have to say corax. i mena, he had black armour, liked birds, and has wings.

Curze. Vigilanteism for the win.

Curze, he has batwings all over his armor, has a thing for bats and most importantly JUSTICE!

Corax, because ultimately Batman is a good guy and does not resort to some of the things Curse would be happy to do.

Batman is less good and more lawful neutral which is closer to curze's lawful evil than corax's neutral good.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Corax, because ultimately Batman is a good guy and does not resort to some of the things Curse would be happy to do.

I agree.

Batman is a Sociopath, Corax is not.

Cruze is the batman.

Batman uses stealth tactics like Corax, he is also quiet and brooding like Corax is. Batman doesn't leave dead bodies hanging out to scare people, neither does Corax.

Batman is only a wuss in the old days when it would have been illegal to put in comic books some of the stuff he would likely do in the sociopathic quest for justice. Since the standards on comic book grimdark have severely relaxed in a couple of decades turning batman from Adam West buckling his seatbelt on camera closeup to nihilistic Christian Bale, or Frank Miller style noir-style stories, imagine how much more extreme 40000 years would make him. Corax is like what the naive kids in the ancient TV show have because they want to believe he is a goodguy, right mommy? Curze is the nasty nasty truth behind 'justice'.

I DEMAND A POLL!!!

(edit: A better poll with more options!!!)

Guitardian wrote:Batman is only a wuss in the old days when it would have been illegal to put in comic books some of the stuff he would likely do in the sociopathic quest for justice. Since the standards on comic book grimdark have severely relaxed in a couple of decades turning batman from Adam West buckling his seatbelt on camera closeup to nihilistic Christian Bale, or Frank Miller style noir-style stories, imagine how much more extreme 40000 years would make him. Corax is like what the naive kids in the ancient TV show have because they want to believe he is a goodguy, right mommy? Curze is the nasty nasty truth behind 'justice'.

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+1!

As much as Batman is the dark side of justice, he still isn't a villain.

Curze may have been all about justice at some point, but didn't he degenerate into a homocidal maniac with a legion dedicated to terror, rape, murder, pillaging, and other wonderful activities?

asimo77 wrote:As much as Batman is the dark side of justice, he still isn't a villain.

Curze may have been all about justice at some point, but didn't he degenerate into a homocidal maniac with a legion dedicated to terror, rape, murder, pillaging, and other wonderful activities?

not really, no. that's just BS imperial propaganda. In reality the Emperor sanctioned everything Konrad did and then when he became unnecessary the Emperor sent assassins after him

Hurm didn't know that. Though I still think Curze is a little too far down crazy lane for even Batman. Then again I don't really know anything about Corax, well at the very least I'm sure he didn't do anything nearly as nasty as Curze.

Curze. Seriously he had a alter ego who fought corrupt officials and criminals (Not corrupt criminals though). How is that not Batman?
Corax is sneaky and ninja-like but he didn't have the same thing going for him as Curze did... which is nothing and nothing.

Curze is closer to Batman and the Night Lords use batwings as a symbol, that's an obvious connection.

Interesting to see that a Joseph Conrad wrote a book called Nostromo about a mining town that is full of corruption.


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Curze is closer to Batman and the Night Lords use batwings as a symbol, that's an obvious connection.

Interesting to see that a Joseph Conrad wrote a book called Nostromo about a mining town that is full of corruption.

I don't see how Corax comes anywhere near an allusion to batman. Curze does.
Take this quote from "The Dark Knight"

"You either die a Hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the Villain"

Isn't that what curze did?

Super bad*** vigilantly who's legion symbol includes bat wings=Curze!!

Mr Nobody wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Corax, because ultimately Batman is a good guy and does not resort to some of the things Curse would be happy to do.

I agree.

How about all those genetic abominations that corax created? I'm pretty sure that's stooping down to Curze's level. They had the same intent, justice and all that jazz, just went through it in different ways.

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

asimo77 wrote:As much as Batman is the dark side of justice, he still isn't a villain.

Curze may have been all about justice at some point, but didn't he degenerate into a homocidal maniac with a legion dedicated to terror, rape, murder, pillaging, and other wonderful activities?

not really, no. that's just BS imperial propaganda. In reality the Emperor sanctioned everything Konrad did and then when he became unnecessary the Emperor sent assassins after him

Plus Curze wasn't really a homicidal maniac. He just grew up on a world where all he saw was crime and he did something about it. He didn't have much of a family or parental figure to tell how to go about making things right, he just did them. He tried to achieve justice through fear.
Then when he died, without their primarch to lead them, the legion misinterpreted his message and then they devolved into that terror, raping, legion...

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:Plus Curze wasn't really a homicidal maniac. He just grew up on a world where all he saw was crime and he did something about it. He didn't have much of a family or parental figure to tell how to go about making things right, he just did them. He tried to achieve justice through fear.
Then when he died, without their primarch to lead them, the legion misinterpreted his message and then they devolved into that terror, raping, legion...

I'd like to discuss that point I have emboldened on your post.
It is true that both Batman and Curze rely on the use of fear to fight what they perceive as evil - hell, Batman dresses the way he does to prey on the superstitions and fears of the criminals he preys upon. However, their methods differ drastically; whereas Curze did kill, and kill horribly, to inspire fear in criminals, Batman does everything in his power to avoid doing such a thing. It's a point brought up time and again in the comics that Bats may be happy to terrify people, but ultimately he refuses to kill, even if it would mean the end of, for example, the Joker's rampages. Actually, I would say that Curze was closer in terms of ideology to Sinestro (In his Sinestro Corps phase) than he is to Batman; both he and the Night Haunter believe in the use of fear by any means to restore order, and do anything within their power to inspire it en masse. Batman, by contrast, does use fear, but only on a select group of individuals, and only uses his appearance and mannerisms to inspire such fear as opposed to genocide or torture.

Mukkin'About wrote:I don't see how Corax comes anywhere near an allusion to batman. Curze does.
Take this quote from "The Dark Knight"

"You either die a Hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the Villain"

Isn't that what curze did?

QFT Gee, who is more like Batman, the raven guy or the vigilante whose legion has batwings all over ther place? Curze seems the more obvious choice here imo. That being said, Deathly Silent Ninja Master Corax is way cooler

Curze, and when he died he felt so ashamed by his actions he let the imperial assasins onto his ship, and let them kill him.

Neither-Corax doesn't come close, and Night Haunter is more V (of V for Vendetta fame) than Batman.

corpsesarefun wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Corax, because ultimately Batman is a good guy and does not resort to some of the things Curse would be happy to do.

Batman is less good and more lawful neutral which is closer to curze's lawful evil than corax's neutral good.

Dungons and Dragons wins again.

whatwhat wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Corax, because ultimately Batman is a good guy and does not resort to some of the things Curse would be happy to do.

Batman is less good and more lawful neutral which is closer to curze's lawful evil than corax's neutral good.

Dungons and Dragons wins again.

D&D's general win-ness nonwithstanding,
I'd disagree with Batman being Lawful Neutral. Actually, it's hard to define Batman using the D&D morality system, as people have defined him as almost every single one of the alignments (bar Chaotic Evil) and provided good evidence to back up their definitions. Personally, I think of him as Chaotic Good, as he is willing to break the law (as seen with Batman: Year One and some of the Rupert Thorne story arcs) in order to save people and aid justice. Curze strikes me as the type for whom the end very much justifies the means, and although we see this to some extent with Bats, he does not use it as his primary motivator. Again, I'd say Curze was actually closer to Sinestro than Batman, in terms of comparativeness.

Ras al Ghul is chatoic good, Batman is more nuetral good.

I'd argue that Ra's was chaotic neutral. He is willing to commit monstrous acts for an ultimately good goal.

Yes that's chaotic good. Chaotic neutral is someone who does acts which aid neither end of good or evil but which are selfish and only serve to better him/herself.

Batman is set towards the same goal as Ras al Ghul yet sees his methods as wrong. Hence Batman isn't chaotic he's more nuetral. There are lines he wont cross, he does care about the methods in which he achieves his goals, the ends don't neccesarrily justify the means with Batman.

Hum, fair enough. In that case, I agree.
This does have a link to the point I made about Curze, though. The ends completely justify the means for him, from what I understand of him.
I guess what I'm arguing is there is no Batman in 40K.

I think Batman's personality has changed so much over cartoons/movies...it's hard to classify him. Curze certainly has the emo/dark/gothic thing going though....and of course the bat symbols.