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Splitting off from another thread, where this discussion became offtopic (and for what it's worth, I apologize for my significant contributions to derailing it).

We went in the direction of how Transformers 2 had some racist elements, and how Michael Bay would surely screw up a 40K movie to death:

Platuan4th wrote:No one wrote them like that, the voice actors(one of which is black and was surprised to hear that he was offensive to himself) came up with that on their own while having fun with their parts and Bay allowed it, despite the objections of the script's writers.

So if anyone is to blame for them being "racist", it's a black man.

Before you run off and blame someone for something, you may want to actually look into who's responsible next time.

Are you saying that black guys can't be racist towards other black guys? You can only be racist towards other races? Cause I don't buy that. But, more importantly, it's Michael Bays movie, and Michael Bay has final control over what gets released. It's his name on the screen. Whenever someone does something that is perceived as racist, they always trot out some underling to take the fall. Remember when Ted Danson appeared in blackface, and then Whoopi Goldberg said she wrote the skit and was surprised by how racist it was? C'mon, take some personal responsibility.

If everyone was extremely racist all the time there would not be a problem. Kind of like how all people who play violent games are desensitised to violence, which makes violence OK

This was probably one of the smaller problems with this movie.

I'm not really sure this is meant to be racist, it's just stereotypical nonsense really.

Although stereotypes can be racist if there is malicious intent behind it.

Who knows.

Here's a fun one.

Truly the Pride of Scotland.

Medium of Death wrote:This was probably one of the smaller problems with this movie.

I'm not really sure this is meant to be racist, it's just stereotypical nonsense really.

Although stereotypes can be racist if there is malicious intent behind it.

Intent has nothing to do with whether something is racist or not. It can determine the degree of racism, but one can have no intent to be a racist and still do some incredibly racist things without thinking about it. A good deal of racism comes out of thoughtlessness.

Ahtman wrote:

Medium of Death wrote:This was probably one of the smaller problems with this movie.

I'm not really sure this is meant to be racist, it's just stereotypical nonsense really.

Although stereotypes can be racist if there is malicious intent behind it.

Intent has nothing to do with whether something is racist or not. It can determine the degree of racism, but one can have no intent to be a racist and still do some incredibly racist things without thinking about it. A good deal of racism comes out of thoughtlessness.

I find this comment racist. You had no intent of it being racist, but it offended me on terms of my race.

Also, Michael Bay sucks. I have no opinion on the OP's reason for it; he's just a terrible director.

I hope nothing I said here implies I hate Michael Bay solely for the racist characters in Transformers 2.

Ouze wrote:I hope nothing I said here implies I hate Michael Bay solely for the racist characters in Transformers 2.

There is a cornucopia of reasons to hate Michael Bay of pigs.

Transformers 2 being my first experience of a drive in movie is just one of them.

I hate him honestly. I hope that angry dogs eat his testicles.

you are focusing on the tiny potential bit of racism in the film. Dude there were WAAAAY bigger problems with it than that. like the lack of a plot and the way all the transformations were 360 degree spinny camera things that make me feel sick and then there shia leboeuf and......

What did the mean old racist robot, voiced by a black guy, say exactly?

I'm typing this with one hand, the other is pressing its palm directly into my face at the over-sensitivity of some people. Also, I hate Michael Bay movies as much as the next guy.

You must have missed the robot's gold tooth...

Monster Rain wrote:What did the mean old racist robot, voiced by a black guy, say exactly?

I'm typing this with one hand, the other is pressing its palm directly into my face at the over-sensitivity of some people. Also, I hate Michael Bay movies as much as the next guy.

You should really go back and watch the movie. While I personally found the robots pretty funny, they are the CGI equivalent of "blackface" actors.


Then again, I find racist jokes to be funny. As are the overblown reactions of folks that take things too seriously. That being said, I hope that Micheal Bay goes to pee sometime and nothing but dead maggots come out.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:There is a cornucopia of reasons to hate Michael Bay of pigs.

Transformers 2 being my first experience of a drive in movie is just one of them.

If you went to a drive in to actually watch a movie you have completely missed then entire point of the exercise.

How could any sensible black person find that face offensive.

The characters have been given ape-like appearence, speak in street-slang dialogue, and confess an inability to read; one of the characters also has a gold tooth. It's obvious they are actually a homage to Jar Jar Binks, George Locust's hilarious nonracist alien from The Phantom Menace (you remember, he valiantly fought against those filthy Jap... I mean 'the Trade Federation'...)

Just where in that could any black person, even a hypersensitive one, find anything offensive? I blame the white liberals.

Now if we could have had a money shot of the robots eating watermelon shaped energon, that would be golden...


Lets enjoy more of their hilarious robotic ebonics and remind ourselves how not-racist they were, shall we?

I saw TF2 in a theater in Berkeley CA. EVERYONE was laughing at the racist robots. Plenty of dirty comments leaving the theater, but they were funny.


Berkeley says it, so it must be right?

MeanGreenStompa wrote:The characters have been given ape-like appearence, speak in street-slang dialogue, and confess an inability to read; one of the characters also has a gold tooth.

Which are all things that the kids these days aspire to be. It's not about race, it's about appealing to the least common denominator. The "urban" lifestyle, or however you want to say it is being glamorized by modern music and even things that have no root in musical relevance such as things the likes of MTV.(irony)

If you don't believe me, go to Small Town, USA, and look for the number of punkass bandana-clad kids driving around with confederate flag bearing pickup trucks while blasting rap out the windows at a volume audible at a two block radius. And that's in the North.

It's obvious they are actually a homage to Jar Jar Binks, George Locust's hilarious nonracist alien from The Phantom Menace (you remember, he valiantly fought against those filthy Jap... I mean 'the Trade Federation'...)

Actually, I think too many people were busy being appalled at just how terrible a character Jar Jar was to notice that. I know I was.

Ah guilty white paternalism. Why don't we let the "community" decide for itself what offends it, shall we? I will cite a few shows, beloved by the African American Community at large, that feature stereotypes.







There now. I think we all just learned something. Also, I'm not going to link to it, but google "Chris Rock ignorant n word" and see how racist that particular black comedian is against himself.

You all remember when Megatron was cool.

He transformed into a Walther p38 and had an arm mounted cannon through which he could channel the power of a freakin black hole.

then he became Galvatron.

then a beast.

and a scorpion.

And a few other things before.

Thanks to Michael Bay, he and the rest of the gang got makeovers to look like gak.

Well, Bay and his cronies appear have outdone themselves.

http://www.movieweb.com/news/transformers-dark-of-the-moon-megatron-tanker-truck-photos

Even if this is wrong Bay has helped make Transformers look like piles of crap.

Say what you will about the rascist bullcrap in the movie, what really makes them horrible is the paper thin plots (if you could even call them that), the nauseating cinematography, the arbitrary military gratification (seriously, I'm willing to bet that half the time they were filming, Micheal Bay wasn't able to call a cut because he had a general's dick in his mouth), the blatant and annoying product placement, the poor acting in leu of fanservice, the horrible sense of humour, and did I mention nauseating cinematography?

Mr. Burning wrote:You all remember when Megatron was cool.

He transformed into a Walther p38 and had an arm mounted cannon through which he could channel the power of a freakin black hole.

then he became Galvatron.

then a beast.

and a scorpion.

And a few other things before.

Thanks to Michael Bay, he and the rest of the gang got makeovers to look like gak.

Well, Bay and his cronies appear have outdone themselves.

And you do get the whole "disguise" part of "robots in disguise" right? It would look slightly non-disguised if megatron's non robot form was a giant gorilla.

http://www.movieweb.com/news/transformers-dark-of-the-moon-megatron-tanker-truck-photos

Even if this is wrong Bay has helped make Transformers look like piles of crap.

I Know Right, I mean everyone knows that they ruined megatron when they turned him from a beast into a scorpion! and from Galvatron into a beast! and from megatron into galvatron!

Do you see where I'm going with this?

Goliath wrote:

Mr. Burning wrote:You all remember when Megatron was cool.

He transformed into a Walther p38 and had an arm mounted cannon through which he could channel the power of a freakin black hole.

then he became Galvatron.

then a beast.

and a scorpion.

And a few other things before.

Thanks to Michael Bay, he and the rest of the gang got makeovers to look like gak.

Well, Bay and his cronies appear have outdone themselves.

And you do get the whole "disguise" part of "robots in disguise" right? It would look slightly non-disguised if megatron's non robot form was a giant gorilla.

http://www.movieweb.com/news/transformers-dark-of-the-moon-megatron-tanker-truck-photos

Even if this is wrong Bay has helped make Transformers look like piles of crap.

I Know Right, I mean everyone knows that they ruined megatron when they turned him from a beast into a scorpion! and from Galvatron into a beast! and from megatron into galvatron!

Do you see where I'm going with this?

Unless you are going to say 'Megatron was bestest when he had a telescopic sight on his arm for a freakin super doopa gun' then I don't much care

And what they did to poor jetfire...



He was my favourite as a boy but what they did to him... makes me sad.



to this?



Revenge of the fallen? How the mighty have fallen more like.

My favorite was always Starscream.

I wish he'd had more personality in the Bay movies.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:And what they did to poor jetfire...



He was my favourite as a boy but what they did to him... makes me sad.



to this?



Revenge of the fallen? How the mighty have fallen more like.

I never understood why a robot would need a cane.

But Jetfire was scottish or something, so that makes it OK.

Random fact: The voice actor for Starscream also did the voice for Cobra Commander. This is of course, in reference to the cartoons from the 80's. NOT the recent bastardization of Transformers.

Mr. Bay isn't so bad.

He gave us The Rock, Armageddon, Bad Boys, and Bad Boys II.

I always thought the robots I have seen by walking by or watching because it was one of thosenothing-else-is-on-oh-my-god-why-am-I-watching-this movies, I thought the robots looked like trash formed up in a humanoid shape. It just looks like cluttered junk..

I liked them.

Quentin Tarantino is a much worse director.

Opinions. Everyone's got one and, like arseholes, they ALL stink.