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Monster Rain wrote:Because he's a member of the "affronted" community, and if he didn't have a problem with it you kind of have to decide whether he's a racist or didn't see the material as offensive.
But he isn't the whole of the racial group, and nor does the opinion of the minority account for the entirety of race relations.
I disagree. You haven't seen Friday, have you? Or Barbershop? There's so many black stereotypes in those movies (as well as the tv shows that I cited above) that you have to start to wonder if maybe you should look at it as the film saying something more along the lines of "some people act this way and it is amusing" and less like "all black people behave this way." I'll bring up Chris Rock's controversial N-word stand-up bit again now.
Context matters, doesn't it? The presences of one or more black stereotypes in a movie with a full range of black characters is very different to a movie where there are no non-stereotypical characters to balance things out.
Yes, but you said we shouldn't worry about this in summer movies. Why does it matter that it was in a summer movie?
He wrote the character's dialogue, according to that article. So he's either racist or an ignorant Uncle Tom up there dancing for the man? It can't be that he thought the characters were funny, and that others would(and did) find them funny?
Why does he have to be either racist or an ignorant Uncle Tom up there dancing for the man? Something can be problematic without reaching those extremes.
I hated this movie, by the way.
Definitely. It was horrible.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
sebster wrote:But he isn't the whole of the racial group, and nor does the opinion of the minority account for the entirety of race relations.
No, it doesn't, but it is still relevant.
sebster wrote:Context matters, doesn't it? The presences of one or more black stereotypes in a movie with a full range of black characters is very different to a movie where there are no non-stereotypical characters to balance things out.
I disagree. The robots in question formed their personalities off of black stereotypes from intercepted television and radio broadcasts, as explained by the actor who created the persona in the article I cited.
Humor, nothing more.
sebster wrote:Yes, but you said we shouldn't worry about this in summer movies. Why does it matter that it was in a summer movie?
I said idiotic summer movies. A large number of films that fit the description idiotic are released in the summer, the term "blockbuster" comes to mind. I think you're missing the intended operative term in my statement.
sebster wrote:Why does he have to be either racist or an ignorant Uncle Tom up there dancing for the man? Something can be problematic without reaching those extremes.
If he wrote the dialogue, he's either racist(against his own race) or didn't see a problem with what he was writing.
WarOne wrote:
sebster wrote:
I hated this movie, by the way.
Definitely. It was horrible.
Wait...how do people in Australia watch movies?
They project it onto the side of Ayer's Rock.
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Drink deeply and lustily from the foamy draught of evil.
W: 1.756 Quadrillion L: 0 D: 2
Haters gon' hate.
chromedog wrote:I saw Pulp fiction on the recommendation of a friend.
Said friend no longer has an opinion on film I listen to.
I refuse to see Inglorious Barstewards.
( it has Brad Pitt in it (can't stand him).)
Deadshane: 'Twas my opinion, nought more.
YOU like him -that's yours. We won't ever agree on more than this. You have the right to your opinion - even if it is wrong.
That Tarantino won 'icon of the decade' for a decade mostly devoid of icons is neither here nor there.
I respect your right to have an incorrect opinion.
-Loki- wrote:
40k is about slamming two slegdehammers together and hoping the other breaks first. Malifaux is about fighting with scalpels trying to hit select areas and hoping you connect more.
Monster Rain wrote:No, it doesn't, but it is still relevant.
True, it is relevant.
I disagree. The robots in question formed their personalities off of black stereotypes from intercepted television and radio broadcasts, as explained by the actor who created the persona in the article I cited.
Humor, nothing more.
The explanation is just background wankery, and isn't relevant to the purpose they serve in the movie. And yes, it is humour, where we're supposed to laugh at the antics of these two stupid robots. Which would involve a majority white audience, laughing at black stereotypes.
That most of the black audience seemed happy to laugh at these characters is enough to stop it being really awful, but I still think there's enough there for it to be problematic.
I said idiotic summer movies. A large number of films that fit the description idiotic are released in the summer, the term "blockbuster" comes to mind. I think you're missing the intended operative term in my statement.
No, but it still doesn't change it. What does it matter if it was an idiotic saturday morning cartoon, or an idiotic prime time sitcom. If it's problematic, it's problematic regardless of the media.
If he wrote the dialogue, he's either racist(against his own race) or didn't see a problem with what he was writing.
No, but again, just because one black guy doesn't see something as being racist, that doesn't mean it can't be racist.
WarOne wrote:Wait...how do people in Australia watch movies?
We don't watch them, we've evolved to the point where we can read binary code straight off of a DVD.
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WarOne wrote:And how do people surf in Australia?
Heh, that's actually not far from where I live. Well, it's probably pretty far by your standards, but WA is a pretty empty place.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
WarOne wrote:Alright, then you provide a picture of what you people surf on.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
WarOne wrote:Alright, then you provide a picture of what you people surf on.
Pic needs a fix.
Is it working now?
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Okay, let's not let this thread get distracted onto whether or not a couple movies he made had a couple of racist characters (although the "we can't read cybertronian" was a bit much, and cybernetic lifeforms from an intergalactic empire conforming to any sort of societal predilections of our earth are kinda... hwat? moments. There are much larger issues. Such as a lack of basic math skillz, or major logical fallacies.
Best review I've read of TF2...
The Prime series on the Hub is pretty good, especially when you consider the head writers/producers are Orci & Kurtzman who wrote or co-wrote the first two live action Transformers films (but aren't involved in the forthcoming 3rd film: Transformers - Dark of the Moon)
Medium of Death wrote:This was probably one of the smaller problems with this movie.
I'm not really sure this is meant to be racist, it's just stereotypical nonsense really.
Although stereotypes can be racist if there is malicious intent behind it.
Who knows.
Here's a fun one.
Truly the Pride of Scotland.
The funny thing is historically there's some truth to it. If we weren't so busy fighting each other the first time England invaded we might just have remained independent .
