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What does Dakka think? I'd be very interested in a 28mm miniature war-game on the same scale of Warhammer 40,000, especially the covenant. I really like their vehicles and the elites.

I think there is one, but heroclix or something rather.

I don't know, halo is just too bright and pew pew lasers for me. I prefer the really grubby dark, apocalypse. But that's just me, so I will not vote on the poll to start off on a bad leg.

I think there was a Heroclix type game that failed horribly. IMO people that play halo hardcore would be the last to check it out. I've heard it a million times before about 40k. "WTF you have to build and paint them!? That will take too much work"...I weep for my generation.

Hückleberry wrote:I think there was a Heroclix type game that failed horribly. IMO people that play halo hardcore would be the last to check it out. I've heard it a million times before about 40k. "WTF you have to build and paint them!? That will take too much work"...I weep for my generation.

Right, the target market would NOT be people who play the video game. It would be people who play games like Warhammer. Using the Halo IP just gives you an iconic brand name to sell the game in and WOULD allow you to market it to the mainstream via xbox live, etc etc.

I would be interested just to see how spartans would interact with the rest of the Halo universe on the tabletop. I see them being OP like Mephiston haha.

Nope.

Halo is very mainstream, specifically into the videogames. It just wouldn't sell.

Hückleberry wrote:I think there was a Heroclix type game that failed horribly.

Indeed. You can stil find them in various stores' clearance sections...

Is there a market?

I can't say, for sure. I do know that I would buy a bunch of minis though.

Considering how Haloclix did, I don't see there being much of a market. Haloclix also had kinda crap rules which didn't help.

Doubt there is any market for it, but it would be a cool project for someone to do some conversion work with

I agree that overall the strong selling point of Halo to a potential miniatures company is its large audience. Unfortunately most of that audience would not be interested in a miniature game version of it.

Hell, if a Heroclix version of it failed where people *didn't* have to paint them, imagine how poorly a version where you *did* have to paint them would tank!


With that said, I am whole-heartedly a Halo fanboy and would totally but good quality miniatures...probably to try to fashion the Covenant into a 40K army of some sort.

I have a few of the miniatures. They're pretty decent quality for Clix-style models.

unfortunately. I know one online psycho that would crap himself over it.

A Black Ram wrote:I think there is one, but heroclix or something rather.

I don't know, halo is just too bright and pew pew lasers for me. I prefer the really grubby dark, apocalypse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j-9U3R7RN0

Then this is probably more up your alley.

That commercial sent shivers down my spine when it came out and made me jones bad for Halo minis (proper ones, not clix). I'd wish for 54 mm scaled NOBLE team and some Sangheili (Reach-style), but I wouldn't mind it if they were 28 mm.

Is there much of a market outside of the computer games for Halo anything? I'm asking, I honestly don't know.

I know there was that Halo animated thing a while back, but I have no idea how many people watched it. I know there's tie-in books as well, but the most obscure sci-fi settings get at least a couple of tie-in books these days.

It seems to me Halo, for all the cool incidental bits, it seems the setting is built around the idea that the Master Chief is awesome at killing stuff. Which is a fantastic concept for a computer game (or seven), and probably even a movie or book, but would need to change considerably to work in a minis game.

sebster wrote:Is there much of a market outside of the computer games for Halo anything? I'm asking, I honestly don't know.

I know there was that Halo animated thing a while back, but I have no idea how many people watched it. I know there's tie-in books as well, but the most obscure sci-fi settings get at least a couple of tie-in books these days.

It seems to me Halo, for all the cool incidental bits, it seems the setting is built around the idea that the Master Chief is awesome at killing stuff. Which is a fantastic concept for a computer game (or seven), and probably even a movie or book, but would need to change considerably to work in a minis game.

Have you played the most recent games, Halo:ODST and Halo:Reach? ODST is from the viewpoint of a normal human soldier, and Halo:Reach is a sequel that predates the master chief (but not spartans). They are my favorite two games of the series.

The fluff "perception" of power doesn't really matter nor translate to the table top anyways, hell look at 40k and Space Marines.

Wait, you mean Space Marines vs. Tau?

Griever wrote:Have you played the most recent games, Halo:ODST and Halo:Reach? ODST is from the viewpoint of a normal human soldier, and Halo:Reach is a sequel that predates the master chief (but not spartans). They are my favorite two games of the series.

I haven't, I was a little over the whole thing by the end of the third Halo game. I heard mixed things, though I was curious about how they changed the game to show average troops. You were human, and special ops, yeah? So did you sneak and ambush and act like an elite, but still highly vulnerable to bullets human would, or did it play more like one of other Halo games, and had you running and gunning and being awesome while soaking bullets with your shield?

The fluff "perception" of power doesn't really matter nor translate to the table top anyways, hell look at 40k and Space Marines.

It's not about power, it's about what the hook of the universe actually is. 40K hangs it's hat on scale and diversity. There's thousands of this, millions of that, and teeming, countless hordes of everything else. Everything is diverse and unique, it's the perfect setting for a wargame.

Halo, on the other hand, is the masterchief first and foremost, and a universe of stuff for him to kill as a secondary concern. There's all sorts of incidental stuff, and from my playing of the original three games, it was all rather cool, but it wasn't ever the focus. That's a much harder setting to build a wargame around, while still capturing the appeal of the game.

Market? Prolly not. That's not to say it would stop me from buying a box or two though.

sebster wrote:
I haven't, I was a little over the whole thing by the end of the third Halo game. I heard mixed things, though I was curious about how they changed the game to show average troops. You were human, and special ops, yeah? So did you sneak and ambush and act like an elite, but still highly vulnerable to bullets human would, or did it play more like one of other Halo games, and had you running and gunning and being awesome while soaking bullets with your shield?

In ODST you had no shield, but you were able to recover from a bit of damage by remaining out of LOS for a while (pretty much how every FPS since Halo has been). The big difference was they brought back the health packs from Halo 1, so when you took serious damage you actually had to go run and find health.

Besides that, they lowered your height in game (as humans are smaller than Spartans), made you run slower, jump lower. And yeah, the focus on the game was much more on lone encounters rather than just wading in and killing stuff as with Master Chief.

Halo, on the other hand, is the masterchief first and foremost, and a universe of stuff for him to kill as a secondary concern. There's all sorts of incidental stuff, and from my playing of the original three games, it was all rather cool, but it wasn't ever the focus. That's a much harder setting to build a wargame around, while still capturing the appeal of the game.

While the Halo universe only has 3 big 'factions' presented so far (humans, flood & covenant), the universe was always bigger than the games right from the very first cut scene of the very first game. The Pillar of Autumn arrives at the first Halo after jumping away from the planet Reach being destroyed...the war with the covenant, the Spartan program, all were things directly talked out in Halo but not covered in the game. You could certainly play through the first Halo, or even all of them, without paying attention to the giant backstory going on, but it is there.

And the books, short stories and movies have all fleshed out the universe fully. In fact, at the end of Halo 3 with the death of the prophets and the dissolution of the covenant, there are actually a whole lot more 'factions' in that the remnants of the covenant are now going to fight over the scraps of what was once their empire...with of course the Brutes and the Elites being the alpha dogs in that fight.

So there is plenty more story to be told in the Halo universe post Halo 3 timeline.

And as for how a tabletop miniature game could function based off a FPS, remember that they already made a RTS from Halo, where the Spartans were just one (albeit cool) unit. Its similar to how Star Wars made a heroclix game with Jedis, or how Space Marines are uber-epic in the books. You just give them some beefy but not completely god-like stats and make a game...if 40K can do it with Space Marines then a Halo game could do it with Spartans.

No one seeme too terribly interested when there was one, so probably not. Don't get me wrong, love the game, love Red vs. Blue, but when HeroClix put out their Halo game, the minis just never sold. I run across them every once in a while at Target still.

As people have stated before its been done and flopped big time. Problem as I see it is two fold:

1. People who like Halo want a fast paced action packed first person shooter and not a slower paced wargame.

2. Not enough variety of aliens.

3. Might work as a skirmish game BUT the cost of the license would drive the cost of the game up to a place where it would probably be too expensive.

I don’t think there is a big enough market for a new game. If you want to play Halo as a skirmish game it can easily be done as an “after school project”.

The Clix figures are still available new and secondhand and cost about £1 to £1.50 each on Amazon and eBay. You can de-Clix them by putting them on new bases if you want.



The McFarlane vehicles are harder to find and a bit more expensive. Their scale is slightly smaller than the Clix figures but not so small as to worry. You can justify the cost by incorporating them into 40K armies as well.





If you do a skirmish level game you don't need more than three vehicles per side maximum, and a couple of dozen infantry.

Download some free SF rules, or buy a set like Infinity or Mercs.

Six Banshees and Warthogs at about £11 each and 60 or so infantry figures at about £1.10 each and you can have a complete game set for under £150. Everything comes ready painted, you just need to add terrain, which you have from your 40K games.

These sorts of models often can be found at car boot sales and “poundstretcher” stores if you have the time to look for them.

US based players will probably be able to find the models cheaper than in the UK.

Haloclix showed us there's no market for a miniatures game, but I'm kind of surprised there are no Halo plastic models out there. Or maybe there are, and they just haven't reached my side of the ocean yet.

Obviously there is also the Halo Wars Cmputer Game which I suppose you could call a wargame as well.

I found this to be pants despite being a fan of all of the other Halo games.

JOHIRA wrote:Haloclix showed us there's no market for a miniatures game, but I'm kind of surprised there are no Halo plastic models out there. Or maybe there are, and they just haven't reached my side of the ocean yet.

Well there's a boatload of action figures, which I think makes more sense for the target audience.

No market what so ever. Halo clix game, legos, toys, etc can all be found populating clearance bins in large numbers.

Honestly...what do you expect from the "you mean I have to get off the couch?" crowd.

Pretty much the opposite of my reaction to video games..."so you just sit here and mash buttons?".

I wont fault them for staying with what they like. SInce the day I found out what they were Ive been a minis guy. I havent played more than an hour of video games in almost 20 years.

Griever wrote:What does Dakka think? I'd be very interested in a 28mm miniature war-game on the same scale of Warhammer 40,000, especially the covenant. I really like their vehicles and the elites.

No market for it because they already have one. It's a board game that can be found in the clearance bin of your local toy store.

As for the Clix thing, they ruined any chance what so ever for this sort of a market with thier oddball scaled guys and the halfbaked odds and ends toys and games for the HALO series, of course the craptastic Red Vs Blue didn't do it any favors...

I used to play a game called Legions of Steel that was probibly better then anything anyone could come up with for HALO, if anything this game was a really close second, except that it came out years before....

Mad4Minis wrote:No market what so ever. Halo clix game, legos, toys, etc can all be found populating clearance bins in large numbers.

Clix yes, but the Megabloks smaller sets, blind packed individual Megabloks figures, and action figures, not really.

Especially the Action Figures. You can not find them(especially the newer Reach figures) unless you hit right after they stock. The only ones I've seen Shelfwarming were Brutes and Marines.

Mad4Minis wrote:No market what so ever. Halo clix game, legos, toys, etc can all be found populating clearance bins in large numbers.

Hold your horses now, don't insult Lego, they had the common sence not to pick up the franchise because they new it would be a waste. It was Lego's ugly step sister Meg Blocks that put it out and i bet they are regretting it now (at least in the UK).

The fact that there already has been a wargame for Halo that failled is a pretty good answer. Trading on an IP like Halo isn't profitable when anyone that would be interested already has the perfect outlet for their interest, a computer game connected to millions of other players online.