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The following entry was posted in our local 40K forum. Can anyone confirm this? Will other SW chapters has access to the BA Stormraven?

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There has been allot of talk on the web concerning the new Stormraven and it being used in all of the SM Chapters not just Blood Angels and Grey Knights.
GW released an article in the new White Dwarf about the Stormraven. One thing that everyone saw was that it is a Fast Attack choice not Heavy Support. One of my fellow bloggers on http://www.heresy-online.net found this out.

I now have confirmation from my local GW Manager regarding *exactly* why the rules are in WD - he was at the meeting recently where this was discussed.
The rules are in the WD specifically so any Space Marine army can use it as a fast attack choice. There are no limitations. This is purely because they feel it's a great kit and they don't want to limit it (or maybe limit sales!?) to Blood Angels players. The only official restriction is that you CANNOT take it in a GW tournament unless it's in your Codex. No surprise there. 'Why else would we print the rules in WD?' was one of the responses I got - they don't just put rules out there anymore. If you want them, you buy the codex.

This is obviously a retcon salesy move, but I fully expect to see it in every Marine codex from here on out. I also wouldn't be surprised if we get a more direct ruling on this printed in WD at some point in the future - although those are just my personal feelings. 

It basically amounts to them saying that it's an unofficial WD update, which means that you can take it if your opponent agrees.
Unless anyone thought they were going to be able to use it in an official GW tournament I fail to see why they own a model they can't use.
As long as my opponent says to me upfront, before we write army lists 'I might take a Storm Raven, do you mind?' Then I don't have a problem with anyone using it Also, let's not forget that in an Apocalypse game you can take whatever you like.

I think it would be fun to face a army other than Blood Angels or Grey Knights that have some Storm Ravens in them. So any Space Marine player that wants to field on against me is more than welcome as long as they let me know first.

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... From what you've quoted no the other chapters will not get a stormraven (yet). This is much the same as playing IA where some other models may be used.

If I really wanted to i could inclued an iron clad with my eldar but that would "mean that you can take it if your opponent agrees" ... which means nothing really.

Nowhere in WD does it say it is a FA option. Nowhere does it say it can be used by any other army. in fact, if you read the design notes, it specifically says BA only, then adds to note the KK symbols...

(regarding the North American version)

There is no indication the Stormraven can be used with any other chapter. For right now, it's a Blood Angels (and soon to be Grey Knights) only vehicle.

Being BA I'm glad to hear this!

The reason it was in WD is to basically hype it for sales, and give people who will be playing against it a look at its rules.

They expand it to all other chapters, but they have not done it yet.

It looks like the rules for the Stormraven in the Blood Angels Codex is adaptable to other Space Marine Armies as is.
I will get the model and paint it in Black Templar Chapter Colors. I will use the BA rules for the model and the BT Codex for the rest of my army.

Well, you do taht. But I would recommend asking your opponents beforehand. Or are you going to be all right with the local Chaos Marines players using greater daemons from the Daemon codex?

Unfortunately it doesn't say anything about it being usable for other Marine armies, although it does mention Grey Knights, and April's White Dwarf.

castellan wrote:It looks like the rules for the Stormraven in the Blood Angels Codex is adaptable to other Space Marine Armies as is.
I will get the model and paint it in Black Templar Chapter Colors. I will use the BA rules for the model and the BT Codex for the rest of my army.

Unfortunately there is no rule or official ruling which allows this otherwise I'd be getting one in BT livery as well. Actually I may do that anyway and just hope the new BT codex (if/when it arrives) will include the Storm Raven.

N O P E !

No one but the BA and the GK can use them.

zeshin wrote:

castellan wrote:It looks like the rules for the Stormraven in the Blood Angels Codex is adaptable to other Space Marine Armies as is.
I will get the model and paint it in Black Templar Chapter Colors. I will use the BA rules for the model and the BT Codex for the rest of my army.

Unfortunately there is no rule or official ruling which allows this otherwise I'd be getting one in BT livery as well. Actually I may do that anyway and just hope the new BT codex (if/when it arrives) will include the Storm Raven.

Na they'll get some Land-raider variant; here's hoping for the Hurricaneplamsa sponsons

don_mondo wrote:Well, you do taht. But I would recommend asking your opponents beforehand. Or are you going to be all right with the local Chaos Marines players using greater daemons from the Daemon codex?

I would let a player use units from both the Chaos Marines and Daemon Codex. It might be fun! Though I might not win against that. I would like the player to make sure the rules would work before game time.

I got the Huron Blackheart model not long ago. That is a great looking model! I am thinking about using his rules as a Chapter Master in a Codex Space Marine Army.

castellan wrote:
I got the Huron Blackheart model not long ago. That is a great looking model! I am thinking about using his rules as a Chapter Master in a Codex Space Marine Army.

Some people may let you in friendly non-Apoc games, others (myself included) would usually laugh at you.

There is a big differance between counts-as, and simply making an army using the best rules out of several codicies.

Veldrain wrote:

castellan wrote:
I got the Huron Blackheart model not long ago. That is a great looking model! I am thinking about using his rules as a Chapter Master in a Codex Space Marine Army.

Some people may let you in friendly non-Apoc games, others (myself included) would usually laugh at you.

There is a big differance between counts-as, and simply making an army using the best rules out of several codicies.

he would make a good stand in Vulkan He'Stan though. Both have TL-Heavy flamers, large weapons and invulnerable saves (just vulkan does them all better)

Only GK so far.

The BA roughly says it is newly found to the Imperium, barring the GK. This is through politics and admin mainly. Also the Adeptus Mech are non too hasty to use it as it could be Chaos tainted. (Machine Spirit).

the Stormraven's belated introduction into the armies of Mankind

So it could be slowly introduced.

Tri wrote:Unfortunately there is no rule or official ruling which allows this otherwise I'd be getting one in BT livery as well. Actually I may do that anyway and just hope the new BT codex (if/when it arrives) will include the Storm Raven.

Na they'll get some Land-raider variant; here's hoping for the Hurricaneplamsa sponsons

Veldrain wrote:

castellan wrote:
I got the Huron Blackheart model not long ago. That is a great looking model! I am thinking about using his rules as a Chapter Master in a Codex Space Marine Army.

Some people may let you in friendly non-Apoc games, others (myself included) would usually laugh at you.

There is a big differance between counts-as, and simply making an army using the best rules out of several codicies.

I hope it would be a good natured laugh. I wasn't suggesting using the best rules. Is Huron better than Helbrecht? If Huron is not then I would be making my army less powerful in order to play a miniature.
I am suggesting that if you want a Stormraven. Then buy it and play it. Nobody should mind.

Not sure about Huron, but Helbrecht is an animal. Well worth his points.

I took a quick glance at the rules for Huron. It appears that Helbrecht is better. So in a friendly game (they all are) an opposing player should be glad I took Huron instead.
Could be the same arguement for allowing the Stormraven in other armies.

Yeaaaa and eldar can use venoms and razorwings/voidravens. Oh, and chaos can use all the landraider variants. Heck why not just make any unit in any codex available to any army.


U want a stormraven use the bloodangels. Don't even need to repaint. Just use counts as.
I also think this has been discussed , argued and answered more the. Enough times. Let the topic die and ret in pieces already.

I would let you use eldar with the venoms etc.. if you allowed me to be chaos and use all the landraider variants.
I will probably get the Blood Angels Codex but I don't have to be codex correct in order to play a model.

In all seriousness, i think that (tournaments aside), if you bought a storm raven, you'd be allowed to use it.

Like I said, the guys at my FLGS are pretty cool.

I also agree that marines using the Raven, is most different to eldar taking dark eldar stuff. Thats how other chapters ended up with the Land Raider Crusader.

liam0404 wrote:In all seriousness, i think that (tournaments aside), if you bought a storm raven, you'd be allowed to use it.

Like I said, the guys at my FLGS are pretty cool.

I also agree that marines using the Raven, is most different to eldar taking dark eldar stuff. Thats how other chapters ended up with the Land Raider Crusader.

liam0404, you are correct. I don't know of anyone at my FLGS that would not allow it. There are rules for the tournaments at my store that would not allow it and they are posted well in advance. For instance only one FOC. But sometimes more than one FOC is allowed in a tournament.
I don't play tournaments as I don't have the time. If someone wants to test a tournament list against me I will play codex correct.

DarthSpader wrote:Yeaaaa and eldar can use venoms and razorwings/voidravens. Oh, and chaos can use all the landraider variants. Heck why not just make any unit in any codex available to any army.

U want a stormraven use the bloodangels. Don't even need to repaint. Just use counts as.
I also think this has been discussed , argued and answered more the. Enough times. Let the topic die and ret in pieces already.

I guess the main problem is that because the Blood Angels share some many similarities with other Space Marine armies, it seems like others should be able to use the Stormraven.

The argument of a Eldar player using a Voidraven doesn't have the same feel as a BlackTemplar player using a Stormraven. I know you do not see much of a difference in the two situations, but I do. My main reason for that is, I can pick up most boxes of Space Marine models and use them in the variant space marine armies. It isn't a big deal to pick up some regular space marine models and use them for Dark Angels, Blood Angels, etc. However a player using Kabal Warriors as Aspect Warriors just isn't the same.

Space Marine models are normally designed to fit with many codexes. It just isn't the same as a Tyranid Player using a box of orcs as guants. I can use Space Marines and Blood Angels.

My local gw store made it very clear it's a codex only choice.

Any chapter can use the Stormraven, as long as they are Blood Angels successors! I noticed the sprues have =][= insignia for the tail and fuselage, so expect that when the GK get their new book.

Homer

Homer S wrote:Any chapter can use the Stormraven, as long as they are Blood Angels successors! I noticed the sprues have =][= insignia for the tail and fuselage, so expect that when the GK get their new book.

Homer

So...

I play blood ravens? What about them? They might be a BA sucessor chapter.

I thought it was confirmed they were loyalist Thousand Sons? But in any case, as far as rules go the chibi-Hawk is just a Blood Angels choice. Of course if you want one in your chapters colors go ahead! You just can't use it unless you're playing Apoc, or your opponent allows you to.

I, personally, would not allow it in a pick up game. If I hear you say you're playing Marines, I expect a vanilla Marines army. Of course, if we're planning a game saying that you want to use your Storm Raven in, I'd be more than happy to let you.

I just get to ue my IG Armored Company.
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What if I painted one up my colours (templars), And used it as a Land Raider Crusader? Its too cool a model to not to at least try to get on the table.

If I done this, id obviously not put it on the flying base either.

Would people ok this at PUGs?