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Grand Opening Tournament [EDITED 2/27/2011]

Tournament Primer

http://endlessgaming.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Tournament-Primer-Final4.doc

For our Grand Opening Weekend we will be throwing a huge Warhammer 40,000 Tournament.

March 5th 2011

2,000 Points

4 Rounds

Prizes will be Awarded for: Grand Champion, Runner-Up, Worst of the Worst (Special Prize), Player’s Choice, and Favorite Opponent

A raffle will be going on throughout the day as well. With each loss increasing your chances to win.

Doors will open at 8 am. The tournament will begin at 9 am.

We have room for up to 40 participants.

Check out the 8 page Tournament Primer for all of the rules and missions.

Register by email at endlessgamingnc@yahoo.com or Twitter, by sending in your name and army.

See http://endlessgaming.net/?page_id=219 for more info.

Come be a part of one of the biggest and best Warhammer 40,000 events in North Carolina history.

It should be a fun event! I am really looking forward to it!

This looks interesting! Wish I had a clue where I was going to be come March! Or tomorrow, for thaqt matter.

I submitted the request to attend. I know you'll definitely get support from the Fayetteville area.

This should be a great tournament with a mine field of awesome competition.


Whoever wins this will NOT have an easy day.

I'm not sure what the point of having four virtually identical games is.

I'm interested for now.

This sounds really good. I'm liking the format.

Loch wrote:I'm not sure what the point of having four virtually identical games is.

I'm interested for now.

Loch. The format is based on a combination of what is used at the ATC and what is used in the Nova Open. The point of the standardized missions is to ensure that you never win/lose based on the mission, but instead win based on skill. These types of missions put armies on equal footing in a lot of ways. Based on personal trial and feedback, this format has been well received. Hope you will come give it a try if you are in driving range.

15/40 Spots filled up so far with a month and a day to go. If are you interested in attending go ahead and shoot me an email to register a spot.

endessgamingnc@yahoo.com

Thanks

EndlessGamingNC wrote:Loch. The format is based on a combination of what is used at the ATC and what is used in the Nova Open. The point of the standardized missions is to ensure that you never win/lose based on the mission, but instead win based on skill. These types of missions put armies on equal footing in a lot of ways. Based on personal trial and feedback, this format has been well received. Hope you will come give it a try if you are in driving range.

I'm familiar with the Nova open and its format. Having standardized missions where the goals at stake are consistent is a great way to ensure a balanced field, but the key distinction with the Nova is that different goals were separated into primary/secondary/tertiary categories in order to resolve draws and give the missions a bit of variety. Having different goals primary each round forces players to adapt their tactics each round, and in my opinon reflects a better test of skill than having players run the same mission four times.

I have to disagree with you here. There won't be as many players plus you automatically advance to day two. Seems like a great format for two days of competitive gaming to me. I appreciate seeing the missions in advance. MSU armies had a field day at NOVA. it's more open in Raleigh.

The feedback is appreciated Loch. Based on most of the feedback we have received on the primer thus far, we will more than likely (about 95% sure) use the missions as they currently are. A lot of favorable input has been given to that format. I understand the Nova's reasoning for using the format they do, I understand the reasoning for ATC using the format they do, and I understand the reasoning for BOLsCon using the format they do.

I think all of these tournaments are moving in the right direction as far as mission and rules. A lot of progress was made in late 2009 and 2010 towards making Tournaments more attractive to the competitive gamer.

Thanks for any opinions or feedback. They are much appreciated.

Loch wrote:

EndlessGamingNC wrote:Loch. The format is based on a combination of what is used at the ATC and what is used in the Nova Open. The point of the standardized missions is to ensure that you never win/lose based on the mission, but instead win based on skill. These types of missions put armies on equal footing in a lot of ways. Based on personal trial and feedback, this format has been well received. Hope you will come give it a try if you are in driving range.

I'm familiar with the Nova open and its format. Having standardized missions where the goals at stake are consistent is a great way to ensure a balanced field, but the key distinction with the Nova is that different goals were separated into primary/secondary/tertiary categories in order to resolve draws and give the missions a bit of variety. Having different goals primary each round forces players to adapt their tactics each round, and in my opinon reflects a better test of skill than having players run the same mission four times.

Since I "invented" the NOVA I guess (really lots of player input did), I'll echo Lock a little bit here. The reason we rotate goals is b/c really no goal perfectly balances all codices. 5 Objectives gives advantages to some dexes, KP to others, etc. These aren't MAJOR advantages in good missions, but they're there. Step 1 of the NOVA format is having all goals be designed tie-able by a player whose army isn't perfect on the match-up, and won off tiebreakers that are more favorable ... forethought and much more tactical play generally result (generally, ofc), especially between closely matched players. You also have no ties, and no margins of victory - if you don't have enough rounds to get a solo undefeated, split your best general prize pool evenly among all undefeateds and give your Best Overall based on 33% competitive / 33% artistic / 33% sports.

The reason the goals rotate is that if you have a dex that doesn't do well at the primary, but can play hard and tie it to force decision on 2ndary or tertiary ... that's doable once or twice, but being forced to do it every round? Not so balanced anymore. Note, I haven't studied the OP / tourney in question's details too in-depth, and I'm not trying to say they're bad or wrong or ANYTHING ... I just wanted to reinforce that the particular quote I've included above is generally accurate in terms of understanding WHY the NOVA format's goals rotate by round, instead of being the same every round in terms of priority.

Copy and Pasted below are the mission rules that will be in effect for all 4 rounds of the tournament.

Mission Goals

Three goals will be used in every mission. All three are of equal importance and will be used to determine the winner of the game. In each game only one player may accomplish each goal. Goals are not awarded if players draw on that goal. If that happens, then no one gets credit for accomplishing it. The three goals for each mission are as follows.

Annihilation (see Warhammer Rulebook page 91 for details)

Capture and Control (2 Blue objectives) (see Warhammer Rulebook page 91 for details)

Seize Ground (Automatic 3 Red objectives) (see Warhammer Rulebook page 91 for details)

The objectives for the Capture and Control are completely separate from the Seize Ground objectives. In each game there will be sets of 3 objectives (Red) and sets of 2 objectives (Blue) that are independent of each other.

To prevent objectives becoming unintentionally worth more than they are intended to be, no Blue “Capture and Control” objective may be within 12” of a Red “Seize Ground” objective.

It is important to reiterate the point that there are no draws on goals. One player accomplishes the goal or the other play accomplishes the goal. In the event players draw on a goal (ex. If in round 1 player A earns 6 KP from player B and player B earns 6 KP from player A, then they draw that objective and thus no one accomplishes it. This is done to encourage sportsmanship and fair play, among all players in all rounds, and to prevent players agreeing before hand to play for a tie. Thus undermining the integrity of the event as a whole.

Determining the Winner

When the game ends total the completed goals for each player.

The player who completed the most goals is the winner. In the event this results in an even number of completed goals, then determine the victor by totaling up the amount of victory points each player scored from the others army. The player that scored the most victory points while completing the same about of goals, is the winner.

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As you can see the missions are similar to the Nova Open. The difference is instead of rotating Primary, Secondary, and Tertiary goals each round, in all rounds all the goals are equal. So for armies that may struggle in one particular mission type will find that each round they have as much of a chance as any other army.

Example Match Ups

Army A has 1 scoring unit and 9 total KP. It is built to smash face. Army B has 5 scoring units and 18 total KP and is built to be better at objective missions. It is less about "killing" and more about being "tactical."

In the scenarios we are using both armies have an equal chance of winning every one.

In a scenario that might weight different objectives differently or higher/lower or primary/secondary. The round that these 2 armies meet could help determine the outcome. As army B could try and pick off the 2 scoring units of army A and then play keep away to win on a primary of objectives. If the primary was say annihilation the army with 1/2 of the KP is at a distinct advantage.

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Hope that clears up any confusion. MVBrandt didn't seem 100% on our mission rules based on his comments. The Nova is a great event and all my friends that went last year had an amazing time. It has become one of the very premier events in the country. Hope I can make it soon or later. That and BolsCon are definetly events I would like to attend.

IMO both systems are very good and I think both are headed in the right direction for the tournament scene. Both advocate players playing to win. Both systems seek to test skill and not merely how one reacts to a random "house dreamed up" mission.

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Automatically Appended Next Post:
I'll re-post the link to our tournament primer for people in the event they missed it in the OP.

http://endlessgaming.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Tournament-Primer-Final4.doc

This should answer almost any question or confusion about the tournament or the rules.



One month to go. If you are interested in playing or attending the opening weekend festivities then shoot me an email to register.

endlessgamingnc@yahoo.com

Thanks

Wanted to update. We have slots for about 14 more players. There is a little over 2 weeks left before the event, so if you are interested in attending let me know @ endlessgamingnc@yahoo.com

Thanks.

We have 30 confirmed players so far. Spots for 10 more with the Tournament on this coming Saturday!!!

Send me your name and army at endlessgamingnc@yahoo.com to reserve a slot.

http://endlessgaming.net/?page_id=219 For more information and a list of the players already signed up!!!

5 days until the tourney

I am really looking forward to this one. See you on Saturday.

For sure.

Certificates done [check]
Rules done [check]
Missions done and playtested [check]
Trophy made [check]
Tables and Terrain set up [getting there, but almost check]



We are right on schedule for the event!

See you all soon.

If I get into town early enough, I will try and stop by the store on Friday.

For the record, this tourney set the standard on every front.

The location was great, there was a coffee shop around the corner as well as a few nearby eateries (as in walkable... and a bar!).

The tables were beautiful, there were plenty of them, and you weren't right on top of anyone else.

The event was incredibly well run. EVERY round started and ended on time. Ample warnings were given on time left in the round.

The missions were all smooth and were published well in advance.

The prize support was impressive and well spread out. Prizes were give to first, second, last, player's choice, favorite opponent, as well as about 8 door prizes that were raffled out during the award ceremony.

The players played tough but were also friendly and fair.... "page 5" was read before the tourney began.

You had better believe that I will be clearing my schedule for the next tournament run by Endless Games.

This was an extremely well run event. I thoroughly enjoyed it and I look forward to more Endlessgaming tournaments in the future.

The missions were excellent

The location was awesome

The tables were AMAZING

The opponents were good

The games were fun

It was really a perfectly done event

I had a great time and was glad I made it out. Four great games versus four awesome people. I was very impressed with the young man running a pure jump Blood Angels army - he spanked some people. Awesome new store for sure!

Without a doubt, it was the best tourney I've participated in North Carolina (lived here since 2003).

Positives:
-Fantastic store with ample space to game.
-Awesome tables
-Next to a coffee shop and a bar/restaraunt
-Missions were very well thought out and (3 out of 4 games) were very challenging (I got spanked bad 1st game, but not b/c of bad mission design)
-Very timely
-Very clear to understand each mission
-Time was not an issue; always informed.
-4 Round, 1 day tourney was outstanding.
-Really fun players.
-Great prize support and raffle (although I understand this may be a bit higher b/c it was the store's grand opening)

Needs improvement:
-it's an hour and a half away from my house


Overall, outstanding event and has now set the bar the Triangle/Ft Bragg area. It was well worth the drive and I will be ensuring I get to as many as Endless Games runs as possible.

Thanks for all the kind words guys. We tried very hard to have an awesome event that was smoothly run and competitive. Everyone's enthusiasm yesterday was great!

Glad you guys loved the store. Again we tried very hard to provide a great place to play and hang out!



We'll be having another Tournament soon and then the GT in June, so I'm sure you guys will get to come up again for another event in a few weeks.

But, even if there is no event. You are always welcome!!!!!!!!!!!

The only small critique of the event that I have is that It was possible to play on the same table the whole day. I noticed that the person who won, was placed on Table one at Random for round 1, kept winning his games, and stayed there. 4 games on the same table is a bit much in my opinion. It might be better if regardless of your record, you could not play on the same table twice. Just my thoughts.

A lot of TOs use a numbering system for the pairings that includes table assignments. It's nothing new. I don't think that particular table was a big advantage for the guy who won 1st place.

who won?

We did table #'s based on Swiss Pairings like the Afrikan Blonde said. Again, against the armies Blake played the table gave no tactical advantage. Thanks for the feedback, and I'll take it into account for next time. (It is nice to play on different tables.)



On a personal note. I wanted to let you know the store honor was defended, when the Space Wolves battled the Death Wing! Impossible to kill 30 Terminators huh?



@HOD ... Alan Blakeborough won man . He had some tough competition beating Mike M, B Delgado, Charlie, and Neil from the 11th Company.

Glad everyone had an awesome time!

EndlessGamingNC wrote:We did table #'s based on Swiss Pairings like the Afrikan Blonde said. Again, against the armies Blake played the table gave no tactical advantage. Thanks for the feedback, and I'll take it into account for next time. (It is nice to play on different tables.)



On a personal note. I wanted to let you know the store honor was defended, when the Space Wolves battled the Death Wing! Impossible to kill 30 Terminators huh?



@HOD ... Alan Blakeborough won man . He had some tough competition beating Mike M, B Delgado, Charlie, and Neil from the 11th Company.

Glad everyone had an awesome time!

No offense to Blake, but this does not surprise me. The second I saw that he won, I knew your Space Wolves could beat that list.