Warhammer Forge newsletter #2

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**reds8n**

Hi There,
Welcome to our second Warhammer Forge Newsletter. We have two great new releases for you this time — the Daemonic Plague Riders of Nurgle, and Kazyk the Befouled on Rotbeast. Both of these releases will feature in our forthcoming first Warhammer Forge book, Tamurkhan, Throne of Chaos. We also have some upcoming events news.

Look out for future newsletters, and more exciting releases for Warhammer Empire and Chaos.

Thanks,
Ead Brown

Nurgle Plague Riders Set
The foetid mere that serves the Plague Father as a realm has spawned all manner of daemonic beasts, and the lesser of these such as Plague Toads, are often corralled and herded into battle as mounts by Nurgle’s Plaguebearers, who go lolloping into battle atop these verminous horrors to taint and slaughter mortals, in a tide of nightmarish horrors.

The Plague Riders Set, sculpted by Mark Bedford, contains three detailed resin Plaguebearers that can be used in conjunction with the recently-released Plague Toads Set to create a deadly unit of Daemonic cavalry, the fell Pox Leapers, (which will be fully detailed in the forthcoming Throne of Chaos book), or used to create your own daemonic or Nurgle-tainted cavalry models and conversions.

The Plague Riders Set is available to pre-order now for despatch in the week commencing the 28th of February.

Kazyk the Befouled on Rotbeast
Lieutenant to the mighty Tamurkhan the Maggot Lord himself, the fell champion Kazyk, known as the Befouled, is little more than a rotting sack of putrescence held together by the will to destroy. Such are the rotting blessings gifted to him that he must be all but hacked apart before his malefic spirit will cease to be.

Kazyk the Befouled on Rotbeast, sculpted by Mark Bedford, makes a perfect Champion of Nurgle on Daemonic Steed for any Warriors of Chaos army. This full resin character boasts a repulsive array of mutations and plague-gifts and makes a great army centrepiece for your Nurgle horde. Full rules and background for this character will be found in our forthcoming book.

Kazyk the Befouled is available to pre-order now for despatch in the week commencing the 28th of February.

Warhammer Forge at Forge World Events
AdeptiCon, the Forge World Open Day and Salute — three exciting events that Forge World will be attending in 2011, and three events at which you’ll be able to purchase both the exciting pre-orders in this Newsletter and the recently-released Plague Toads, Bile Trolls and Plague Ogres, as well as a few other items that we will unveil in the not-too-distant future.

AdeptiCon is held at the Westin Lombard Yorktown Centre in Chicago, IL, between Friday the 1st and Sunday the 3rd of April, and our sales stand will have a limited number of all these releases. For more information on AdeptiCon please check for updates on our Events pages or visit www.adepticon.org.

The Forge World Open Day will be held here in Nottingham at Warhammer World, on Sunday the 3rd of April. Not only will we have all these releases available to purchase in limited quantities, but you’ll be able to chat to the entire Warhammer Forge creative team. Model designers Mark Bedford, Steve Whitehead, Edgar Skomorowski and Keith Robertson, writer Alan Bligh and graphic artist Sam Lamont will be present throughout the day showcasing master models, work-in-progress, future projects and concept artwork as well as a proof copy of the first Warhammer Forge book, Tamurkhan: The Throne of Chaos.

Salute 2011 is held at the ExCel Centre in London on Saturday the 16th of April, and our sales stand will be packed with the current Warhammer Forge range as well as a few secret projects that we’ll be announcing in future newsletters.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/NURGLE_PLAGUE__RIDERS.html

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer/Warhammer_Monsters/KAZYK-THE-BEFOULED-ON-ROT-BEAST.html

hmm.. seems like Salute might be worth checking out this year then, I guess London isn't too far away after all.

**Alpharius**

That Nurgle stuff is starting to look more than a little sloppy.

I'm looking forward to seeing how they do with the other 3 Chaos factions, as well as the more 'conventional' stuff...

**Slinky**

Odd, this hasn't arrived in my inbox yet, maybe there's a delay somewhere...

**rodgers37**

Slinky wrote:Odd, this hasn't arrived in my inbox yet, maybe there's a delay somewhere...

I actually have this one on time, but with nearly all GW/FW newsletters, i see them on here before i get them.

Why do people dislike the Nurgle stuff? I really like it.... I really like Kazyk the Befouled

**Mr Mystery**

You know, those Plague Toads are crying out to feature in Quest.

**Reecius**

Those look pretty ace to me!

**Kanluwen**

Notice:

The Plague Riders are 12 GBP--but are not sold with the Plague Toads.

And it looks like they'd fit on skeletal steeds or any other mount out there for people who want to make Plague Riders.

**BrookM**

Huh, if I didn't know any better I'd say those models have been crapped out of an old, worn out mould.

**Earthbeard**

I for one welcome our Nurgle overlords, but then i'm biased

I'm going to get some riders and se what I can mount them on.

**Scottywan82**

Alpharius wrote:That Nurgle stuff is starting to look more than a little sloppy.

I'm looking forward to seeing how they do with the other 3 Chaos factions, as well as the more 'conventional' stuff...

AMEN. Forgeworld is known for the OHDAMNMUSTOWN! factor. These were a meh. Especially the befouled guy.

**Orinoco**

Where's the big dude on the big monster ? I want one sooner rather than later.

**MajorTom11**

Usually I am more critical than most, but what is it exactly that is wrong with these?

I mean cast wise or sculpt wise?

If we are talking straight up design then yes, I do feel that FW should up their game and get some more details and armor on Nurgly stuff other than various sizes of pestilent mashed potatoes. I don't see why they couldn't add some armor or details other than infected skin and guts in order to A improve on the aesthetics and B provide painters with a bit more of a variety of 'canvas' to work on. Just my opinion anyways, but still, for typical nurgle stuff, it is pretty much what I expected and it does look FW quality to me in it's execution?

**Chibi Bodge-Battle**

The toads look ok to me
Not convinced by the riders though. Maybe because they have been designed to fit on horses as Kanluwen suggested makes them look a bit odd on the toad?

Some contraposto would help.

**Kanluwen**

I just don't know what you can do for Plaguebearers to make them look 'more daemonic' and 'less plaguebloated monstrosity'.

Nurgle's Daemons don't wear armor. So that part's gone, at least.

**Grimstonefire**

For me the quality of the WF stuff has been really hit and miss.

I think the rotbeast is well done, but the rider is not great at all.

The toads are cool, and would be great for anyone who wants... mutant toad creatures...

It's nice that they mention people using the riders on other models. Nurgle has always been the one area the average sculptor could make a monstrous beast out of without it looking rubbish. So to design models these people can use if they don't like the concept of toads is nice.

**Alpharius**

MajorTom11 wrote:Usually I am more critical than most, but what is it exactly that is wrong with these?

I mean cast wise or sculpt wise?

If we are talking straight up design then yes, I do feel that FW should up their game and get some more details and armor on Nurgly stuff other than various sizes of pestilent mashed potatoes. I don't see why they couldn't add some armor or details other than infected skin and guts in order to A improve on the aesthetics and B provide painters with a bit more of a variety of 'canvas' to work on. Just my opinion anyways, but still, for typical nurgle stuff, it is pretty much what I expected and it does look FW quality to me in it's execution?

Well, that's the problem right there!

Somewhere along the line, Nurgle went from characterful to... well... pestilent mashed potatoes.

**Kanluwen**

Alpharius wrote:
MajorTom11 wrote:Usually I am more critical than most, but what is it exactly that is wrong with these?

I mean cast wise or sculpt wise?

If we are talking straight up design then yes, I do feel that FW should up their game and get some more details and armor on Nurgly stuff other than various sizes of pestilent mashed potatoes. I don't see why they couldn't add some armor or details other than infected skin and guts in order to A improve on the aesthetics and B provide painters with a bit more of a variety of 'canvas' to work on. Just my opinion anyways, but still, for typical nurgle stuff, it is pretty much what I expected and it does look FW quality to me in it's execution?

Well, that's the problem right there!

Somewhere along the line, Nurgle went from characterful to... well... pestilent mashed potatoes.

You're still not suggesting how they can actually improve on Nurgle.

No matter what, Nurgle's Daemons are very limited in what they have for painters to work with.

**Murdock129**

Well first things first, I like these models, especially the Rot Beast

But as has been said already I think they need to lay off the Nurgle, produce some Tzeentch and other forces like Chaos Dwarfs, Orcs and Gobbos and Lizardmen

I mean in the Warhammer Forge section there is now:
7 Nurgle Sets
2 Khorne Sets
1 Slannesh Set
1 Tzeentch Set
4 Chaos Undivided Sets
3 Ogre Kingdoms Sets
1 High Elf Set
1 Giant

16 out of 20 are Chaos or part chaos and almost half of the Chaos Sets are Nurgle.

So yeah more non-Nurgle and non-Chaos sets (Excluding CD's)

Edit: Here's some advise on how to improve IMO for Nurgle, look at the Giant Greater Daemon, what you should do with them, don't cover every inch of them in some kind of boil, pustule or something similar, have it more spread out and less crammed in on itself

**Bloodwin**

I like those new riders - the toad rider concept looks really cool. I'd love to see someone do a horde formation of them similar to the Juggernaught horde in the back of the BRB. I'm curious about comments on the sculpts as it's Mark Bedford's work, I'd think someone with his skill made them this way intentionally.

**Manchu**

Nurgle-themed units may not have been the best place to start. I hope FW will move on to something with a least a few clean lines pretty soon.

**Alpharius**

Kanluwen wrote:

You're still not suggesting how they can actually improve on Nurgle.

No matter what, Nurgle's Daemons are very limited in what they have for painters to work with.

Actually, I thought I did when saying I liked how they used to be more characterful vs. now, where they are Evil Disaesed Mashed Potatoes, to steal a phrase.

As a small sample:

http://www.solegends.com/citcat912/c20248rcunclean.htm

http://www.solegends.com/citcat912/c20258rcplagueb.htm

http://www.solegends.com/citcat912/c20259rcbeastsnurglings.htm

The 'next generation' up from this one of the Great Unclean One is nice too.

Too much of the recent Nurgle stuff looks rushed, ill-formed, lacking detail.

We all know FW can do better - so, here's to the next 3 Gods!

**Kanluwen**

Alpharius wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:

You're still not suggesting how they can actually improve on Nurgle.

No matter what, Nurgle's Daemons are very limited in what they have for painters to work with.

Actually, I thought I did when saying I liked how they used to be more characterful vs. now, where they are Evil Disaesed Mashed Potatoes, to steal a phrase.

As a small sample:

http://www.solegends.com/citcat912/c20248rcunclean.htm

http://www.solegends.com/citcat912/c20258rcplagueb.htm

http://www.solegends.com/citcat912/c20259rcbeastsnurglings.htm

The 'next generation' up from this one of the Great Unclean One is nice too.

Too much of the recent Nurgle stuff looks rushed, ill-formed, lacking detail.

We all know FW can do better - so, here's to the next 3 Gods!

And I'm not seeing any difference between Forge World's Plaguebearers and those.

They both retain the same general lines and aesthetic. Maybe it's just a case of rose tinted glasses?

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I mean, I get what you're trying to say. You think they're not "characterful".
I hate to break it to you, but...
They're not meant to be characters.

If you look at FW's character models, they're pretty nice. Look at Huron, the Ogryn Beast Handler, the Nurgle Sorcerer, etc. They ooze individualism and uniqueness.

But their "standard" infantry? They look like...well, something you'd see as a generalized piece of infantry.

**VoidAngel**

rodgers37 wrote:
Why do people dislike the Nurgle stuff? I really like it.... I really like Kazyk the Befouled

I can't figure out why people like it. I mean, really - I've never understood the attraction to diseased, corpulent, pus-filled...well, anything. To me it almost always points to a profound personality disturbance, or powergaming (they are pretty unbeatable). I freely admit that the problem is mine and it's none of my darn business what someone likes or wants to play...but I just don't understand it. It's...disgusting. I think the guy that came up with Nurgle in the first place must have been a bit mental. Who was that? Priestly? Goodwin? The same guy that though Rainbow Warriors would be a good Space Marine chapter?

**tinfoil**

I personally like a lot of FW's Nurgle stuff, but I do see where the critics are coming from. FW's sculptors are capable of incredible creations that we couldn't get anywhere else. Whereas the Nurgle stuff (and to some extent the ork stuff) seems more pedestrian, more repeatable. It's still worth sculpting, still worth buying (if only I had the funds!). But I'd rather FW devoted its talent and resources to other projects -- the kinds of things only they could create.

I too am waiting very eagerly to see the other chaos gods get FW's Forge treatment.

**Bloodwin**

VoidAngel wrote: I think the guy that came up with Nurgle in the first place must have been a bit mental. Who was that? Priestly? Goodwin?

Nergal is an ancient god (check wikipedia). The decay thing is more like the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse from that well known book The Bible (wikipedia again) and Chaos was originally a Greek concept for the Abyss from before the World was created. Also Michael Moorcock and HP Lovecraft had a pretty heavy influence but I think they were predated by these other sources.

**Destrado**

I think they're rather bland.

Not that it matters that much because I haven't bought a Forgeworld miniature, but I like the eye-candy, and compared to some 40k miniatures, they don't seem that inspired.

**Grimstonefire**

Must admit I'm quite surprised the nurgle riders are from Mark Bedford.

He's normally really good, but none of the riders he's done for WF so far are any good at all imho.

**Alpharius**

Kanluwen wrote:

They both retain the same general lines and aesthetic. Maybe it's just a case of rose tinted glasses?

1) Why so snide? Seriously.

2) You realize that matters of opinion are just that, right?

**Kanluwen**

Alpharius wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:

They both retain the same general lines and aesthetic. Maybe it's just a case of rose tinted glasses?

1) Why so snide? Seriously.

2) You realize that matters of opinion are just that, right?

Wasn't being snide, Alph. Maybe I need to add more smileys.
But I'm just not seeing anything that really sets the 'old' stuff you linked as being 'more characterful' compared to what Bedford did.

They both have the same general 'feel' to them. They look like diseased, skinny people.

**Klawz**

I'm quite fond of the new Nurgle stuff, but I can't get anything until my DE are all finished.

I get the feeling that people automatically assume Kan is snide, but from what I've almost always read from him has been polite and respectful. At least recently. Perhaps people just need to communicate better?