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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 20:12:42
Subject: Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Quick hypothetical
Germany instead of floundering in the Battle of Britain, manages to actually invade Britain. With their supplies of Haggis Bombs exhausted Britain Merlin reappears and opens a doorway… to Amerika!
So its game on in Game 1 of the Lowenbrau John Deere World Domination tour.
Warp gate the size of Northern California opening in, well Northern California from the area once known as the English Channel (can be accessed by both British and French sides as its that large without resorting to boats).
So here’s da rulz.
Germany. All the usual suspects. Military at the level of pre Soviet invasion. Slightly worn from the English invasion but numbers made up by follow on production. No Soviet invasion. Britain is out of the war except for Ireland and her overseas territories. Major African action has not occurred yet.
USA. Forces as at December 1940. State of unpreparedness matched by massive territory, and not facing Japan. All deployments were as at that time, so much of army strength actually in Philippines/Hawaii and where else it was minimally located.
So what happens?
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 20:17:36
Subject: Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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The USA realises its only chance is to rouse the citizenry with an appeal to tradition.
Congress invites the King, resident in Canada, to reassume the monarchy. Britain erupts in revolt. The well armed Royal American militia wreak havoc on a Wehrmacht operating at the end of a long, heavily interdicted supply chain.
Ireland stays neutral.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 20:18:19
Subject: Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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Fixture of Dakka
Manchester UK
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Let me just save everyone the bother by posting what you actually want to hear:
America Wins, flawless victory.
The premise of this thread is... *deep breath*... poorly conceived.
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Cheesecat wrote:
I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 20:21:31
Subject: Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Albatross wrote:Let me just save everyone the bother by posting what you actually want to hear:
America Wins, flawless victory.
The premise of this thread is... *deep breath*... poorly conceived.
Thats not nurturing Alby.
I was envisioning massed tank battles in the Great Plains... Automatically Appended Next Post: Kilkrazy wrote:The USA realises its only chance is to rouse the citizenry with an appeal to tradition.
Congress invites the King, resident in Canada, to reassume the monarchy. Britain erupts in revolt. The well armed Royal American militia wreak havoc on a Wehrmacht operating at the end of a long, heavily interdicted supply chain.
Ireland stays neutral.
Wait, Britain had a Queen or King at the time? Would the Canadians resort to tank traps filled with maple syrup?
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 20:30:43
Subject: Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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Fixture of Dakka
Manchester UK
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Britain had a King at the time, George VI.
I believe they just made a film about him.
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Cheesecat wrote:
I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 20:34:53
Subject: Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Albatross wrote:Britain had a King at the time, George VI.
I believe they just made a film about him.
Well whats the Queen on about then? Did she count coup on his ass and take over or what?
Afterwards we have to get back to Frazzled's visions of Patton meeting Rommel, tank against tank...
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 20:38:32
Subject: Re:Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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America follows the french and surrender, Patton goes on an uncontrollable killing spree and reconquers America
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 20:42:15
Subject: Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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Sound Like a Turtledove Novel.
America is still takes Berlin in the End. If anything its a little easier because there's a portal now so they don't have to worry about amasing a huge fleet to invade Europe.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 20:42:33
Subject: Re:Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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Gibbsey wrote:America follows the french and surrender, Patton goes on an uncontrollable killing spree and reconquers America
I like this scenario. I like it a lot  Let's amend it. America is too stubborn to know when it's lost. More likely, we band our heads against the wall in a quest of futility while Patton does all the hard work. It ends when Patton and Rommel agree to a bare knuckles fist fight, winner takes all  .
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 20:48:42
Subject: Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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Fixture of Dakka
Manchester UK
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Frazzled wrote:Albatross wrote:Britain had a King at the time, George VI.
I believe they just made a film about him.
Well whats the Queen on about then? Did she count coup on his ass and take over or what?
Er, no, he died in 1952. Elizabeth II became Queen (as he had no male heirs) immediately after. That's typically how it works. Hereditary succession is literally the easiest election of a head of state to understand!
One dies, one takes over. Easy. Quit drinking.
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Cheesecat wrote:
I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 20:49:23
Subject: Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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Albatross wrote:Frazzled wrote:Albatross wrote:Britain had a King at the time, George VI.
I believe they just made a film about him.
Well whats the Queen on about then? Did she count coup on his ass and take over or what?
Er, no, he died in 1952. Elizabeth II became Queen (as he had no male heirs) immediately after. That's typically how it works. Hereditary succession is literally the easiest election of a head of state to understand!
One dies, one takes over. Easy. Quit drinking.
Except in the middle ages.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 20:52:59
Subject: Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
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The King unleashes his secret Monarchy powers and converts large swathes of the USA into citizens of Britain in Exile. With this extra population, Canada and the rest of the Commonwealth annex what remains of the utterly unprepared United States.
United and on a war footing, Canada, Britain in Exile, the Commonwealth, and newly formed Protectorate of America storm the Warp gate and catch the unprepared German army as it attempts to quel the uprisings in newly conquered Britain.
The United Royal Army, fueled by new supplies of tea and biscuits sweeps all before it from the West as Russia invades from the East.
Together they Wipe the Nazi's from Europe and Northern Africa and bring about a new era of peace and prosperity.
The Protectorate of America, freed from the grip of rampant capitalism and given a place in the world as a member of the Commonwealth accepts refugees from the fighting into the vast tracts of unused land at its disposal and now shorn of its isolationist view becomes a truly acceptable place to live at last.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 20:53:24
Subject: Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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Fixture of Dakka
Manchester UK
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Melissia wrote:Albatross wrote:Frazzled wrote:Albatross wrote:Britain had a King at the time, George VI.
I believe they just made a film about him.
Well whats the Queen on about then? Did she count coup on his ass and take over or what?
Er, no, he died in 1952. Elizabeth II became Queen (as he had no male heirs) immediately after. That's typically how it works. Hereditary succession is literally the easiest election of a head of state to understand!
One dies, one takes over. Easy. Quit drinking.
Except in the middle ages.
Smarty-pants.
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Cheesecat wrote:
I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 20:57:25
Subject: Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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Ancient Ultramarine Venerable Dreadnought
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Mattys Grandad comes out of retirement in 1945 and with no government backing, rows over the channel, marches into Berlin and headbutts the fuhrer all the way to Iran, he then becomes king of the world and I will take over when I am born and my Dad has drank our GDP.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 21:11:21
Subject: Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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You seemed to imply the warp gate is on land in Northern California. If that's the case, and Japan is out of it, the US navel forces in the Pacific have an opportunity to rain down shells and planes on the German land forces coming out of the gate in Northern California with impunity. Germany would not have time to get ships all the way around the Americas to help and everything they bring out of the gate would be under constant fire.
I'm sure the British fleet would not surrender and become Vichey Britain. They would escape to the American east coast and protect the former colonies from a see attack across the atlantic. The American shipping industry kicks into overdrive and reinforces the Pacific theater. We might lose Hawaii to Japan the next year (1941), but our early entry and extra year of ship building will keep them safely away from the west coast.
I think the threat we have from warships in the atlantic prevents Germany from going all out through the warp gate which would leave Europe deserted. I think our navel superiority slows down the advance through the warp gate and the physics lab under Stagg Field at the University of Chicago fires up the heavy water reactor a year or two early. This ends with a mushroom cloud or two placed in a city of our choosing and a slow American victory over the Axis powers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 21:18:58
Subject: Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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Solahma
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Albatross wrote:America Wins, flawless victory.
feth YES AMERICA WINS!
WHOOOOOOOO!
God, I love history.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 21:22:42
Subject: Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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The initial point was, without Russia, could Germany have beaten the US mano o mano on similar terms?
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 21:24:17
Subject: Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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Solahma
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I'm glad I read that sentence all the way to the question mark. I was beginning to think you hated apple pie and baseball.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 22:01:43
Subject: Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
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Hitler executes option Green. Ireland places its contingency plan into place allowing the germans to invade and get lost by sheer lack of observable infrastructure and miss-spelled bi-lingual road signs. Guerilla war ensures. Ireland wins.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 22:05:35
Subject: Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Phototoxin wrote:Hitler executes option Green. Ireland places its contingency plan into place allowing the germans to invade and get lost by sheer lack of observable infrastructure and miss-spelled bi-lingual road signs. Guerilla war ensures. Ireland wins.
The Irish challenge the German invaders to a drinking contest. The German army dies of alcohol poisoning shortly thereafter, and its not even noon in Dublin. The Irish, literally drunk with power go berserk and conquer country after country in cumulative drinking contests, only being stopped on the shores of "a gallon a day of Vodka keeps the doctor keeps the doctor away" Mother Russia.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 22:07:17
Subject: Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
University of St. Andrews
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I'd say that invading the continental US would be a bit like invading Russia, and the Germans would slowly get bogged down while the US tries to mass forces to stop them. I expect a somewhat Barbarossa~esque war. Initial battles has the US defeated and falling back, trading space for time to martial a military. With an invasion of the home soil, the US is probably not going to have to much trouble raising a military quickly.
I'm more worried about the huge Soviet steamroller that'd come around in about 1943, 1945 ish that would smash through a weakened German eastern front and the like.
Edit: And did you know, the Russians managed to drink the entire alcohol supply of Moscow in a few days of post victory celebration? That's right. Russia ran out of alcohol.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 22:15:12
Subject: Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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Battlefortress Driver with Krusha Wheel
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Frazzled wrote:The initial point was, without Russia, could Germany have beaten the US mano o mano on similar terms?
On the one hand, the red Army was terribly trained and equipped, whereas the US at that time at least had a fully prepared army.
However, the germans got swamped by millions of Russians, who in some cases went crazy and fought like hell. The Yanks didn't have such a big army until they'd propelry entered the war, I believe.
Both countries have huge areas of territory, and some areas of extreme weather.
I say it's a grueling war, in which the US takes massive casualties, but American steel pushes the germans back in the end, though it's high cost.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 22:26:39
Subject: Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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Frazzled wrote:Quick hypothetical
Germany instead of floundering in the Battle of Britain, manages to actually invade Britain.
I don't think I can get past this first statement. I think its almost more absurd then the portal opening up to Amerika.
But...
In the spirit of this thread, it would boil down to how quickly the Americans could mobilize, and how efficiently the Germans would target key areas of food and resource production. A significant part of me would also say that though the Germans would steamroll through a hefty chunk of the US before encountering any significant resistance, they would have to deal with American partisans.
My money would be on Germany in such an...absurd scenario.
Germany would never cross the channel. Ever. Period.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 22:29:11
Subject: Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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Arguably, the Red Army had better equipment than the opposing Wehrmacht Heer forces. However, they undboubtedly suffered from poor training and even worse leadership. The Heer liked to make it seem like they had a wall of top of the line Panzer IVs, but in reality a ton of the Panzers were older Panzer IIIs, IIs, and even some 38ts captured from the Czechs. The Yaks, and MiG-3s were at least equal to the Bf109s, and the Il2s were arguably superior to the Ju-87s in their job description.
In all honesty, the Russian victory was mainly because the Germans tried to blitzkrieg a country that blitzkrieg didn't work against. The Russians could just keep retreating and retreating and retreating until their massive industry was able to produce more, high quality tanks and other equipment that would steam roll all the way back to Berlin. The Heer DID have a chance at victory, but Hitler spoiled it for them....if they had concentrated on their drive to Moscow, they likely could have taken the city before the winter was in. However, Hitler being Hitler kept his military machine focussed on things to fuel his own ego.
In an invasion of the US, we'd probeably be WORSE off than the Russians. I'd anticipate a total collapse in California similar to the Soviet collapse in the western republics. As awesome as tank battles on the Great Plains would be, I doubt that the Germans would be that idiotic as to try and push through two gargantuan mountain ranges. I'd expect that they'd go north, and try to go around via Canada. This means that the big battles that decide the war would probably take place on Canadian soil rather than American.
Rather anticlimactic, no?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 22:29:41
Subject: Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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Okay, so the portal opens up in northern california, correct? I think the Americans got this, it would take them a while to mobilize and gear up for war, but considering at the time the American industrial base is focused in the midwest, and we have pretty much nothing but mountains and deserts seperating the West Coast from the rest of the country, I don't think the Germans would be in a very good position to push east. Their armor would have a hard time clearing the various mountain ranges and the desert would take its toll on the infantry (unless Rommel and his DAK come pouring through the portal...). Also consider that at this time there is no interstate highway system, and American terrain/geography is rather unique in comparison to European terrain/geography, the Germans are going to have a rough time navigating their way cross country.
Further consider that in the US, pretty much every average Joe is keeping at least one firearm of some sort (something which the Russkies didn't have), and that despite the fact that there was only a small standing army, the state militias (national guard) were still present in decently large numbers, so the Germans would have to face a pretty determined resistance, and a rather well equipped one at that, much more so than in France or other such resistance hotspots.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 22:36:18
Subject: Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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ChrisWWII wrote:Arguably, the Red Army had better equipment than the opposing Wehrmacht Heer forces. However, they undboubtedly suffered from poor training and even worse leadership. The Heer liked to make it seem like they had a wall of top of the line Panzer IVs, but in reality a ton of the Panzers were older Panzer IIIs, IIs, and even some 38ts captured from the Czechs. The Yaks, and MiG-3s were at least equal to the Bf109s, and the Il2s were arguably superior to the Ju-87s in their job description.
In all honesty, the Russian victory was mainly because the Germans tried to blitzkrieg a country that blitzkrieg didn't work against. The Russians could just keep retreating and retreating and retreating until their massive industry was able to produce more, high quality tanks and other equipment that would steam roll all the way back to Berlin. The Heer DID have a chance at victory, but Hitler spoiled it for them....if they had concentrated on their drive to Moscow, they likely could have taken the city before the winter was in. However, Hitler being Hitler kept his military machine focussed on things to fuel his own ego.
In an invasion of the US, we'd probeably be WORSE off than the Russians. I'd anticipate a total collapse in California similar to the Soviet collapse in the western republics. As awesome as tank battles on the Great Plains would be, I doubt that the Germans would be that idiotic as to try and push through two gargantuan mountain ranges. I'd expect that they'd go north, and try to go around via Canada. This means that the big battles that decide the war would probably take place on Canadian soil rather than American.
Rather anticlimactic, no?
Oh no. It makes weather a factor. Of course, terrain is potentially substantially worse in north America. Extreme mountain chains backed by desert in the south. In the North Soviet like cold, but even longer distances before you hit stuff of major military value. Plus you've ticked off the Candians and interrupted their hockey games. The last time that happened WE lost to the Canadians...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 22:36:28
Subject: Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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chaos0xomega wrote:Okay, so the portal opens up in northern california, correct? I think the Americans got this, it would take them a while to mobilize and gear up for war
It took America almost 2 years to have as many trained fighting men as Germany, and that is with all their industrial capability. Granted, the urgency of invasion would perhaps create a much faster mobilisation, however, between the two lies a gap where Germany would run rough shod over much of America.
Whether they would then be able to hold on to it is another question.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 22:41:14
Subject: Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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SilverMK2 wrote:chaos0xomega wrote:Okay, so the portal opens up in northern california, correct? I think the Americans got this, it would take them a while to mobilize and gear up for war
It took America almost 2 years to have as many trained fighting men as Germany, and that is with all their industrial capability. Granted, the urgency of invasion would perhaps create a much faster mobilisation, however, between the two lies a gap where Germany would run rough shod over much of America.
Whether they would then be able to hold on to it is another question.
one year. In that time we also were fighting the Japanese and building a freighter fleet by multilples larger by multiples than anything in history. But yea it took a while.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 22:47:15
Subject: Re:Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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Without the US in the war Berlin would have fallen in 1948 to the Soviets, according to some military historians. There would be no D-Day, but the British could have got as far as Rome without help, further if there was no war in the far east and no loss of Singapore.
Without the Soviet Union in the war there would have been a stalemate. Hitler could not have invaded the continental US though.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 22:51:19
Subject: Re:Hypothetical: USA vs. Germany December 1940
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
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Orlanth wrote:Without the Soviet Union in the war there would have been a stalemate. Hitler could not have invaded the continental US though.
Unless a Portal the size of (insert backwards US state here) opened up over (insert backwards US state here). Yeah, that could happen.  But I think everyone would be more worried about either the Deamons or Dark Eldar (depending on the nature of the portal) pouring out.
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Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
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